Eddie Ray Routh Found Guilty Of Murder Of Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 08:56PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Don't listen to these eejits Dave. Your role model will get another award yet, shame it'll be a Darwin.

"Eh dude! Buddy naht doin too good with dem der mental health prahblems. Quick! Givum a loaded guuun!"

What a hero.

The only reason anybody would have opposed the overthrow of Saddam is (a) cowardice (b) support for genocidal tyranny.

The only reason anybody would oppose the fight against Islamic terrorists is (a) cowardice (b) support for Islamic theocracy and tyranny.

The only reason anybody would vilify and denigrate the memory of Chris Kyle a proven hero is (a) cowardice (b) support for the enemies he killed.

The logic is irrefutable.

smurgen · 25-02-2015 08:57PM

On our behalf?he murdered iraqis on my behalf?do you not understand that killing people will not make a situation better? Only in extreme circumstances like that of isis will murdering the opposition solve the problem.also the war in Iraq is 100% different from the scenario we now see with isis.the actions of the us in libya and the middle east have left anachist groups like isis to flourish.also the us had a policy of arming and funding Syrian rebels against assad.I've no doubt that alot of isis fire power can be traced back to such policies.I'm not saying no one should intervene.I'm just cynical to the way in which the U.S intervenes. If they had any real desire for stability we'd have a U.N wIt teeth.

Sheep Lover · 25-02-2015 08:58PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The logic is irrefutable.

True, if you've lived on a diet of Fox News and 'ating American Flags for breakfast.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 08:59PM

Nodin wrote: »

You seem to be under the confusion that because a law says something that it is a scientific fact. This is not the case.

The courts in Texas like all the courts in the US and the Western civilized world operate on the principle that a man is innocent until proven guilty and can only be convicted of guilt beyond all reasonable doubt and with moral certainty.

The prosecution demonstrated in court in front of a jury that Routh was capable of knowing right from wrong and therefore he murdered Kyle and Littlefield.

End of argument.

smurgen · 25-02-2015 09:00PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

True, if you've lived on a diet of Fox News and 'ating American Flags for breakfast.

I think the problem with view of such people is a) they have no regard for the lives of middle eastern folk and b) they have never had war brought to them. If they did they wouldn't be so fast to stir the ****.they don't care once theyre safe at home.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 09:00PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

True, if you've lived on a diet of Fox News and 'ating American Flags for breakfast.

You haven't tried to refute my logic because you can't. You are resorting to more insults.

Sheep Lover · 25-02-2015 09:02PM

smurgen wrote: »

I think the problem with view of such people is a) they have no regard for the lives of middle eastern folk and b) they have never had war brought to them. If they did they wouldn't be so fast to stir the ****.they don't care once theyre safe at home.

It's a differnent world when your entire view of foreign policy and history was gained from Call Of Duty.

Nodin · 25-02-2015 09:03PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The courts in Texas like all the courts in the US and the Western civilized world operate on the principle that a man is innocent until proven guilty and can only be convicted of guilt beyond all reasonable doubt and with moral certainty.

The prosecution demonstrated in court in front of a jury that Routh was capable of knowing right from wrong and therefore he murdered Kyle and Littlefield.

.

...which ignores differing standards as to what comprises guilt. Being rather simplistic there, tbh.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 09:11PM

smurgen wrote: »

he murdered iraqis on my behalf?

Killing Iraqi soldiers who were fighting to defend Saddam Hussein's regime or Islamic terrorists is not murder.

do you not understand that killing people will not make a situation better?

Killing Nazis and Japanese soldiers in World War 2 made the world a better place. Killing Black and Tans made Ireland a better place. Fighting and defeating and executing Saddam made the world a better place. Killing Bin Laden made the world a better place. Fighting and defeating ISIS will make the world a better place.

Only in extreme circumstances like that of isis will murdering the opposition solve the problem.

Killing ISIS is not murder.

also the war in Iraq is 100% different from the scenario we now see with isis.

Saddam's brutality to the Iraqi people was actually worse than ISIS.

the actions of the us in libya and the middle east have left anachist groups like isis to flourish.

The refusal to send in ground troops and to fight terrorists and hold ground and secure Libya and other Middle Eastern countries and build nations has allowed ISIS and others to flourish.

Hand wringing and hoping for the best when you know not doing anything is not an option is cowardice.

also the us had a policy of arming and funding Syrian rebels against assad

Because Obama campaigned on an anti-war political platform he has tied his own hands and has armed Syrian rebels rather than send in troops to do the job properly.

.I've no doubt that alot of isis fire power can be traced back to such policies.

I agree.

I'm not saying no one should intervene.

You almost are and you thinking is defeatist rather than committed to victory. You cannot expect to fight and win a war you don't believe in. It's either or. There can be only black or white. You have to win or lose.

just cynical to the way in which the U.S intervenes.

Did cynicism win WW2? Commitment and believe in final victory won WW2.

If they had any real desire for stability we'd have a U.N wIt teeth.

UN resolution 1441 authorized military force if Saddam refused to co-operate with Hans Blix.

Saddam did not co-operate and the UN backed down forcing the US to do what the UN would not do. Overthrow Saddam.

Don't Chute! · 25-02-2015 09:25PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Killing Iraqi soldiers who were fighting to defend Saddam Hussein's regime or Islamic terrorists is not murder.

Killing Nazis and Japanese soldiers in World War 2 made the world a better place. Killing Black and Tans made Ireland a better place. Fighting and defeating and executing Saddam made the world a better place. Killing Bin Laden made the world a better place. Fighting and defeating ISIS will make the world a better place.

Killing ISIS is not murder.

Saddam's brutality to the Iraqi people was actually worse than ISIS.

The refusal to send in ground troops and to fight terrorists and hold ground and secure Libya and other Middle Eastern countries and build nations has allowed ISIS and others to flourish.

Hand wringing and hoping for the best when you know not doing anything is not an option is cowardice.

Because Obama campaigned on an anti-war political platform he has tied his own hands and has armed Syrian rebels rather than send in troops to do the job properly.

I agree.

You almost are and you thinking is defeatist rather than committed to victory. You cannot expect to fight and win a war you don't believe in. It's either or. There can be only black or white. You have to win or lose.

Did cynicism win WW2? Commitment and believe in final victory won WW2.

UN resolution 1441 authorized military force if Saddam refused to co-operate with Hans Blix.

Saddam did not co-operate and the UN backed down forcing the US to do what the UN would not do. Overthrow Saddam.

Your answer to everything seems to be- kill people. I find that frightening. Especially seeing as American politics is full of people like you.

Starokan · 25-02-2015 09:29PM

The guy got the sentence he deserved, life without parole.

Your a very passionate defender of all things American op , perhaps your posting like that to wind people up or maybe you genuinely believe what your saying, regardless sometimes it helps to take a balanced view of things such as why Iraq was picked as the country to invade. If it was simply down to Sadaam being a dictator could you offer any insight as to why he above all the other heinous dictators in the world was deemed to be the one worthy of invading? Even the most ardent supporter of US policy knows at this stage that WMD was a ruse and that fuel was the goal.

Fwiw I personally think America is the best of what the world has to offer at present, their core belief in democracy is essential in making the world a better place, however that does not make them infallible, they have been responsible for much of the worlds ills outside US borders and to simply not acknowledge this makes your opinions rather one sided and biased.

Chris Kyle was a hero , I admired him but one mans hero is simply another mans villian, it depends on perspective, to the many families of the people he killed Chris Kyle will never be a hero, you will probably label them terrorists but the reality is they were more than likely simple individuals defending their homes. Chris Kyle was indoctrinated to believe one thing, those he killed were indoctrinated to believe another.

twin_beacon · 25-02-2015 09:35PM

black and amber wrote: »

Stop trying to make it seem like terrorism is a major all consuming threat.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818

you know most people killed by terrorists are not American, and most terrorist attacks don't happen in the USA? I mentioned lots of examples in my last post.

kingchess · 25-02-2015 09:42PM

Why do you say that Kyle was a Hero?,If he was a sniper he shot people while concealed -what courage does that take?? I am not saying he was wrong or right in what he did-just wondering what made him a HERO?? And what is your definition of a Hero??

Nodin · 25-02-2015 09:44PM

kingchess wrote: »

Why do you say that Kyle was a Hero?,If he was a sniper he shot people while concealed -what courage does that take?? I am not saying he was wrong or right in what he did-just wondering what made him a HERO?? And what is your definition of a Hero??

He was shot twice and wounded by bombs, so I don't think it was like sitting in a hide waiting for a rabbit to emerge.

bodice ripper · 25-02-2015 09:44PM

kingchess wrote: »

Why do you say that Kyle was a Hero?,If he was a sniper he shot people while concealed -what courage does that take?? I am not saying he was wrong or right in what he did-just wondering what made him a HERO?? And what is your definition of a Hero??

The film helps, at a guess.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 09:46PM

black and amber wrote: »

Your answer to everything seems to be- kill people. I find that frightening. Especially seeing as American politics is full of people like you.

How do you overthrow tyranny like Saddam? Therapy? Hugs and kisses?

How do you defeat ISIS? They dangling hostages in front of the world making deliberately absurd demands, wringing pleas of mercy from their family and then slaughter them in the most cruel and merciless method imaginable and post it on the internet.

Are you for real?

There are psychopathic evil murderous people in this world and the only thing the understand is force.

They will not negotiate. They don't have any feelings or mercy or conscience.

You have to kill them or they will kill you.

Tombi! · 25-02-2015 09:47PM

DavidRamsay99 do not post in this thread again

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 09:55PM

Starokan wrote: »

Your a very passionate defender of all things American op , perhaps your posting like that to wind people up or maybe you genuinely believe what your saying, regardless sometimes it helps to take a balanced view of things such as why Iraq was picked as the country to invade. If it was simply down to Sadaam being a dictator could you offer any insight as to why he above all the other heinous dictators in the world was deemed to be the one worthy of invading? Even the most ardent supporter of US policy knows at this stage that WMD was a ruse and that fuel was the goal.

I want all the heinous dictators in the world to go. All of them. When some one gets their thumb out of their backside and offs one of these creeps I am for it. Name me a dictator and I want him gone.

Fwiw I personally think America is the best of what the world has to offer at present, their core belief in democracy is essential in making the world a better place, however that does not make them infallible, they have been responsible for much of the worlds ills outside US borders and to simply not acknowledge this makes your opinions rather one sided and biased.

America is not perfect and democracy is not perfect.

Look at the alternatives? No thanks.

If something better than America and democracy comes along I will immediately back that horse.

Chris Kyle was a hero , I admired him but one mans hero is simply another mans villian, it depends on perspective,

No it doesn't. A good man is a good man is a good man.

There is objective evil and there is objective evil.

The Sunni and Shia insurgents were and are pure evil. Kyle saw with his own eyes what they did to Iraqis and what they did to Iraq and he could foresee what they would do if they spread their chaos and evil to the rest of the world.

No to the many families of the people he killed Chris Kyle will never be a hero

He killed suicide bombers, jihadist beheaders and scum who massacred innocent women and children. Who gives a damn what their familes think? They were vermin and they got what was coming to them.

, you will probably label them terrorists but the reality is they were more than likely simple individuals defending their homes.

It's strange way to defend you country by blowing up innocent men women and children - your own country people - in market places with suicide bombs.

Chris Kyle was indoctrinated to believe one thing, those he killed were indoctrinated to believe another.

There is no moral equivalent between Islamist terrorist animals and men like Chris Kyle who believed freedom, democracy and fought for those values.

Your morality is hopelessly mixed up.

G_R · 25-02-2015 09:57PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

I want all the heinous dictators in the world to go. All of them. When some one gets their thumb out of their backside and offs one of these creeps I am for it. Name me a dictator and I want him gone.

America is not perfect and democracy is not perfect.

Look at the alternatives? No thanks.

If something better than America and democracy comes along I will immediately back that horse.

No it doesn't. A good man is a good man is a good man.

There is objective evil and there is objective evil.

The Sunni and Shia insurgents were and are pure evil. Kyle saw with his own eyes what they did to Iraqis and what they did to Iraq and he could foresee what they would do if they spread their chaos and evil to the rest of the world.

He killed suicide bombers, jihadist beheaders and scum who massacred innocent women and children. Who gives a damn what their familes think? They were vermin and they got what was coming to them.

It's strange way to defend you country by blowing up innocent men women and children - your own country people - in market places with suicide bombs.

There is no moral equivalent between Islamist terrorist animals and men like Chris Kyle who believed freedom, democracy and fought for those values.

Your morality is hopelessly mixed up.

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Manic Moran · 25-02-2015 10:30PM

black and amber wrote: »

What exactly made Kyle a great man? The fact that he was able to kill people? Typical American patriotic nonsense.

In fairness, Michael Collins is not celebrated in Ireland because of his poetry. In fact, I think his effectiveness at making people dead probably had much to do with his fame.

Sheep Lover · 25-02-2015 10:32PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

In fairness, Michael Collins is not celebrated in Ireland because of his poetry. In fact, I think his effectiveness at making people dead probably had much to do with his fame.

Little different though.

Actually, totally different

Nodin · 25-02-2015 11:20PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Little different though.

Actually, totally different

...in that one fought for a just cause, while Kyle did not.

d0gb0y · 26-02-2015 12:24AM

Nodin wrote: »

...in that one fought for a just cause, while Kyle did not.

Collins didn't travel half way round the world to kill poor people so I would say a big difference.

bb1234567 · 26-02-2015 12:37AM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Wonderful news.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/25/american-sniper-trial-eddie-ray-routh-found-guilty-and-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-without-parole

Such a crying shame that a dirt bag like Routh took the life of a great man like Kyle and his friend.

If you search a little you'll see Chris Kyle was not a good guy. He was good at killing people, thats it.

Manic Moran · 26-02-2015 12:51AM

d0gb0y wrote: »

Collins didn't travel half way round the world to kill poor people so I would say a big difference.

No, it's true that his opposition provided a local delivery service for targets.

Who did Collins kill? They weren't evil, they were just representatives of the government doing their jobs. He killed because that was, frankly, what was required. No different from any other soldier who fights for a side, really. And he was good at it.

As for just cause, part of the response to that is it depends on who you ask. I would wager many people of the 1920s were no fans of his or his work. Much like many people of today are no fans of US military policy in the last decade. What has that to do with anything? Why did people from the US to Russia note with some sadness the passing of Otto Carius last month, despite the fact that although he was famous for killing people, the people he killed were all enemies of the Third Reich? All of them did what they felt patriotic duty required, and they were all good at it.

Galwayguy35 · 26-02-2015 02:34AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, it's true that his opposition provided a local delivery service for targets.

Who did Collins kill? They weren't evil, they were just representatives of the government doing their jobs. He killed because that was, frankly, what was required. No different from any other soldier who fights for a side, really. And he was good at it.

As for just cause, part of the response to that is it depends on who you ask. I would wager many people of the 1920s were no fans of his or his work. Much like many people of today are no fans of US military policy in the last decade. What has that to do with anything? Why did people from the US to Russia note with some sadness the passing of Otto Carius last month, despite the fact that although he was famous for killing people, the people he killed were all enemies of the Third Reich? All of them did what they felt patriotic duty required, and they were all good at it.

Collins was fighting for the freedom of his country and did that fighting here in Ireland, Kyle was in another country that America made the decision to invade.

I read that there is an SAS guy who has more verified kills to his name than Kyle but unlike him isn't cashing in on it and is remaining anonymous.

Dave147 · 26-02-2015 05:33AM

What I don't understand is this, the guy is clearly mentally unstable so they take him to a ****ing gun range. What the flying ****, why would you give this guy a gun when he's suffering from PTSD? Moronic 2nd Amendment bollocks.

Just a little Samba · 26-02-2015 05:52AM

Isn't it generally accepted that Kyle was a bit of a violent sociopath and a compulsive lair and that his claimed kill count was very contested?

Nodin · 26-02-2015 05:59AM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Isn't it generally accepted that Kyle was a bit of a violent sociopath and a compulsive lair and that his claimed kill count was very contested?

Gung ho with a tendency to not let truth get in the way of a story was the impression I got. No idea about the sociopath thing or the number of kills. He certainly was in the thick of it - that seems beyond doubt.

Just a little Samba · 26-02-2015 06:07AM

Nodin wrote: »

Gung ho with a tendency to not let truth get in the way of a story was the impression I got. No idea about the sociopath thing or the number of kills. He certainly was in the thick of it - that seems beyond doubt.

He flat out lied about punching Jesse Venture, shooting 2 car jackers and being in New Orleans post Katrina as well as a few other things in his book anyway so he was definitely a liar.
And his rationalisation for killing (especially in the NO lies) is pretty much sociopath is neon flashing lights.

Eddie Ray Routh Found Guilty Of Murder Of Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield

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