Eddie Ray Routh Found Guilty Of Murder Of Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield

DavidRamsay99

Wonderful news.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/25/american-sniper-trial-eddie-ray-routh-found-guilty-and-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-without-parole

Such a crying shame that a dirt bag like Routh took the life of a great man like Kyle and his friend.

Tefral

Let the flood gates open for saying such as:

"Live by the sword die by the sword", "Karma" etc...

Hoop66

I was surprised to see a life sentence. Aren't they pretty keen on the death penalty in Texas?

Or is that only if the killer is black?

DavidRamsay99

Routh came up with some crap about PTSD when the guy had never seen combat in Iraq. He made up some story that he believed in hybrid pig people and that he believed Kyle and Littlefield were pig assassins. However the real motive appears to be that Kyle and Littlefield didn't like the alcohol and drug abuser and he shot them because they behaved coldly towards him. He was sane enough to steal Kyle's truck and evade law enforcement and make calls to his family telling them what he did. He knew right from wrong when he killed the two men. He was a pathetic loser and a coward and Kyle and Littlefield were his opposite.

Luckycharms_74

As posted above, I'm delighted with the decision but strange they didn't give him the "death penalty".
Edit : just read the article and saw that "Capital murder in Texas carries a mandatory sentence of life without parole – the prosecution opted not to seek the death penalty."

DavidRamsay99

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

As posted above, I'm delighted with the decision but strange they didn't give him the "death penalty".

They usually reserve give the death penalty in Texas for only the most heinous crimes such as murder of a police officer or firefighter, a murder committed during an armed robbery, a killing in return for money, a murder committed while escaping from prison or while serving a prison sentence, the murder of a child or the murder of a judge.

seamus

American courts and juries are notoriously unaccepting of mental illness as an explanation for anything, instead preferring to believe in absolutes of good and evil.

It seems pretty likely that Routh had a psychotic episode, considering his mental state in the lead up to this event.

I'm surprised the defence didn't file a complaint about the release of American Sniper potentially prejudicing their case by building up Chris Kyle as the all-American hero

cruais

Hoop66 wrote: »

I was surprised to see a life sentence. Aren't they pretty keen on the death penalty in Texas?

Or is that only if the killer is black?

I read this morning in an online news article that the reason for Routh not receiving the death penantly, was due to the fact that the prosecution did not seek this through out the trial. (They didn't petition for it). So therefore, a mandatory life sentence could only be given.

It was nothing to do with the fact he was not black and I find that part of your question pointless and un-necessary.

twin_beacon

seamus wrote: »

I'm surprised the defence didn't file a complaint about the release of American Sniper potentially prejudicing their case by building up Chris Kyle as the all-American hero

the jurors had not seen the film, or read the book. If they had, they would not have been considered.

DavidRamsay99

seamus wrote: »

American courts and juries are notoriously unaccepting of mental illness as an explanation for anything, instead preferring to believe in absolutes of good and evil.

It seems pretty likely that Routh had a psychotic episode, considering his mental state in the lead up to this event.

I'm surprised the defence didn't file a complaint about the release of American Sniper potentially prejudicing their case by building up Chris Kyle as the all-American hero

If a person is capable of knowing right from wrong it doesn't matter if they are mentally ill. A person has to be incapable of making such a judgement for them to be declared insane.

SeanW

Hoop66 wrote: »

I was surprised to see a life sentence. Aren't they pretty keen on the death penalty in Texas?

Or is that only if the killer is black?

From zero to "I cwy wacism" in 3 posts. Nice one!

seamus

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If a person is capable of knowing right from wrong it doesn't matter if they are mentally ill. A person has to be incapable of making such a judgement for them to be declared insane.

I disagree completely, that's a very narrow and absolute definition of mentally ill.

Jinonatron

So let me get this straight. You are telling me a guy murders a guy who murders lots of guys in iraq who were murdering americans because they invaded Iraq to murder a dictator who was murdering lots of others guys.

I don't want to live in this world anymore.

endacl

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

They usually reserve give the death penalty in Texas for only the most heinous crimes such as murder of a police officer or firefighter, a murder committed during an armed robbery, a killing in return for money, a murder committed while escaping from prison or while serving a prison sentence, the murder of a child or the murder of a judge.

Or, any murder while black.

Don't Chute!

What exactly made Kyle a great man? The fact that he was able to kill people? Typical American patriotic nonsense.

murpho999

I don't get people's anger about this.

Regardless what one of the victims did in his past, the fact still remains that Routh murdered two guys.

All previous stuff is not connected.

DavidRamsay99

Hoop66 wrote: »

I was surprised to see a life sentence. Aren't they pretty keen on the death penalty in Texas?

Or is that only if the killer is black?

Statistics show that more blacks commit crime in the U.S. than whites and other races. The victims of crime committed by blacks are overwhelmingly black also. The proportion of blacks arrested by police matches closely the proportion of blacks identified by victims. Therefore this is why the majority of prisoners in the U.S. including murderers on death row are black.

DavidRamsay99

black and amber wrote: »

What exactly made Kyle a great man? The fact that he was able to kill people? Typical American patriotic nonsense.

Kyle fought Iraqi troops who were fighting for the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003 during the Iraq invasion. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people using torture, execution and poison gas.

Subsequently Iraq adopted a democratic constitution after it was endorsed by a majority of the Iraqi people in a democratic election, elected local officials in national local election, then elected MPs to a national parliament which elected a Prime Minister and also elected President.

Sunni and Shia Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups sought to destroy that new democracy and carve Iraq into pieces and create Islamic states.
These terrorists or "animals" as Kyle called them killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men women and children in daily car bombs, shootings and torture killings including beheadings or using implement such a power drills.

The U.S. military and Iraqi security forces went into places like Fallujah and Ramadi and Najaf and other cities to fight and defeat the insurgents.

Kyle took part in those battles where he shot and killed armed insurgents, suicide bombers and insurgents as they planted IEDs.

He was a hero.

End of.

Today if he was still alive, his skills, his bravery and his selflessness would be needed to take down ISIS who were allowed to take over swathes of Iraq by the cowardly decision of Obama to withdraw US troops.

Unfortunately he can't because a worthless loser called Eddie Ray Routh took his life.

fedor.2.

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Statistics show that more blacks commit crime in the U.S. than whites and other races. The victims of crime committed by blacks are overwhelmingly black also. The proportion of blacks arrested by police matches closely the proportion of blacks identified by victims. Therefore this is why the majority of prisoners in the U.S. including murderers on death row are black.

What were you told, about posting facts, around here?

DavidRamsay99

fedor.2. wrote: »

What were you told, about posting facts, around here?

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439

DavidRamsay99

seamus wrote: »

I disagree completely, that's a very narrow and absolute definition of mentally ill.

In a court what matters is what can be proven. If the prosecution can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the accused's mental illness did not diminish their capacity to know right from wrong when they committed a killing then they can be found guilty of murder.

seamus

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

In a court what matters is what can be proven. If the prosecution can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the accused's mental illness did not diminish their capacity to know right from wrong when they committed a killing then they can be found guilty of murder.

Exactly, and that's my point:

American courts and juries are notoriously unaccepting of mental illness as an explanation for anything, instead preferring to believe in absolutes of good and evil.

The nonsense of Kyle being a great man and a brilliant patriot unfortunately does play into this because people naturally are going to be more angry about his death and will assume the killer is somehow "more evil" than your run-of-the-mill murderer.

Unfortunately for Routh, Kyle's deity status in some parts of the US means that some people will completely ignore his mental illness and call him a "dirtbag" and "a pathetic loser and a coward", just because they believe that Kyle was jesus reincarnate in an American flag.

Of course Kyle didn't deserve to die. Who Routh murdered is irrelevant. But it's naturally human to forget this.

Don't Chute!

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Kyle fought Iraqi troops who were fighting for the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003 during the Iraq invasion. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people using torture, execution and poison gas.

Subsequently Iraq adopted a democratic constitution after it was endorsed by a majority of the Iraqi people in a democratic election, elected local officials in national local election, then elected MPs to a national parliament which elected a Prime Minister and also elected President.

Sunni and Shia Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups sought to destroy that new democracy and carve Iraq into pieces and create Islamic states.
These terrorists or "animals" as Kyle called them killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men women and children in daily car bombs, shootings and torture killings including beheadings or using implement such a power drills.

The U.S. military and Iraqi security forces went into places like Fallujah and Ramadi and Najaf and other cities to fight and defeat the insurgents.

Kyle took part in those battles where he shot and killed armed insurgents, suicide bombers and insurgents as they planted IEDs.

He was a hero.

End of.

Today if he was still alive, his skills, his bravery and his selflessness would be needed to take down ISIS who were allowed to take over swathes of Iraq by the cowardly decision of Obama to withdraw US troops.

Unfortunately he can't because a worthless loser called Eddie Ray Routh took his life.

He was doing his job. If he had been told to kill children he would have. That's not a hero in my opinion. Stop watching fox "news" and the likes of Bill O'Reilly.

DavidRamsay99

black and amber wrote: »

He was doing his job. If he had been told to kill children he would have. That's not a hero in my opinion. Stop watching fox "news" and the likes of Bill O'Reilly.

Are you familiar with the rules of engagement of the U.S. military?

A laminated card with the following text was distributed to all U.S. Army and Marine personnel in Iraq.

CFLCC ROE CARD

On order, enemy military and paramilitary forces are declared hostile and may be attacked subject to the following instructions:
a) Positive identification (PID) is required prior to engagement. PID is a reasonable certainty that the proposed target is a legitimate military target. If no PID, contact your next higher commander for decision

b) Do not engage anyone who has surrendered or is out of battle due to sickness or wounds.

c) Do not target or strike any of the following except in self-defense to protect yourself, your unit, friendly forces, and designated persons or property under your control:

Civilians
Hospitals, mosques, national monuments, and any other historical and cultural sites.
d) Do not fire into civilian populated areas or buildings unless the enemy is using them for military purposes or if necessary for your self-defense. Minimize collateral damage.

e) Do not target enemy infrastructure (public works, commercial communication facilities, dams), Lines of Communication (roads, highways, tunnels, bridges, railways) and Economic Objects (commercial storage facilities, pipelines) unless necessary for self-defense or if ordered by your commander. If you must fire on these objects to engage a hostile force, disable and disrupt but avoid destruction of these objects, if possible.

The use of force, including deadly force, is authorized to protect the following:
Yourself, your unit, and friendly forces
Enemy Prisoners of War
Civilians from crimes that are likely to cause death or serious bodily harm, such as murder or rape
Designated civilians and/or property, such as personnel of the Red Cross/Crescent, UN, and US/UN supported organizations
3. Treat all civilians and their property with respect and dignity. Do not seize civilian property, including vehicles, unless you have the permission of a company level commander and you give a receipt to the property’s owner.

Detain civilians if they interfere with mission accomplishment or if required for self-defense.
CENTCOM General Order No. 1A remains in effect. Looting and the taking of war trophies are prohibited.
REMEMBER

Attack enemy forces and military targets.
Spare civilians and civilian property, if possible.
Conduct yourself with dignity and honor.
Comply with the Law of War. If you see a violation, report it.
These ROE will remain in effect until your commander orders you to transition to post-hostilities ROE.

AS OF 311330Z JAN 03

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/11.htm

Those are the rules of engagement that Kyle and other soldiers followed.

Every kill that Kyle made had to be first of all authorized before he could pull the trigger and had to accounted for with reports that Kyle filled out with witnesses to verify them as justified.

Hoop66

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Statistics show that more blacks commit crime in the U.S. than whites and other races. The victims of crime committed by blacks are overwhelmingly black also. The proportion of blacks arrested by police matches closely the proportion of blacks identified by victims. Therefore this is why the majority of prisoners in the U.S. including murderers on death row are black.

Perhaps I should have said it's more usual for a killer of a white person, regardless of their race, to be sentenced to death.

"In 82% of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e., those who murdered whites were found more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."
- United States General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing, February 1990

Brussels Sprout

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The U.S. military and Iraqi security forces went into places like Fallujah and Ramadi and Najaf and other cities to fight and defeat the insurgents.

Kyle took part in those battles where he shot and killed armed insurgents, suicide bombers and insurgents as they planted IEDs.

He was a hero.

End of.

Today if he was still alive, his skills, his bravery and his selflessness would be needed to take down ISIS who were allowed to take over swathes of Iraq by the cowardly decision of Obama to withdraw US troops.

Does the 99 in your username signify the year you were born because this sounds like the hyped up mindless drivel spouted by a teenage boy who's based his world outlook on Call of Duty?

twin_beacon

black and amber wrote: »

What exactly made Kyle a great man? The fact that he was able to kill people? Typical American patriotic nonsense.

while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan?

black and amber wrote: »

He was doing his job. If he had been told to kill children he would have. That's not a hero in my opinion. Stop watching fox "news" and the likes of Bill O'Reilly.

if you ever get a chance, go to the 9/11 museum in New York. Note the pictures of children killed on that day by Al Qaeda.

Don't Chute!

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Are you familiar with the rules of engagement of the U.S. military?



http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/11.htm

Those are the rules of engagement that Kyle and other soldiers followed.

Every kill that Kyle made had to be first of all authorized before he could pull the trigger and had to accounted for with reports that Kyle filled out with witnesses to verify them as justified.

I'm sure they've never been broken of course. I can never understand the American attitude that to fight for your country is the greatest thing anyone can ever do. It isn't.

DavidRamsay99

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Does the 99 in your username signify the year you were born because this sounds like the hyped up mindless drivel spouted by a teenage boy who's based his world outlook on Call of Duty?

Why don't you go to the library and take out books about the conflict in Iraq?

Don't Chute!

twin_beacon wrote: »

while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan?

Where did i say killing ANYone was ok?

Don't Chute!

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Kyle fought Iraqi troops who were fighting for the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003 during the Iraq invasion. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people using torture, execution and poison gas.

Subsequently Iraq adopted a democratic constitution after it was endorsed by a majority of the Iraqi people in a democratic election, elected local officials in national local election, then elected MPs to a national parliament which elected a Prime Minister and also elected President.

Sunni and Shia Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups sought to destroy that new democracy and carve Iraq into pieces and create Islamic states.
These terrorists or "animals" as Kyle called them killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men women and children in daily car bombs, shootings and torture killings including beheadings or using implement such a power drills.

The U.S. military and Iraqi security forces went into places like Fallujah and Ramadi and Najaf and other cities to fight and defeat the insurgents.

Kyle took part in those battles where he shot and killed armed insurgents, suicide bombers and insurgents as they planted IEDs.

He was a hero.

End of.

Today if he was still alive, his skills, his bravery and his selflessness would be needed to take down ISIS who were allowed to take over swathes of Iraq by the cowardly decision of Obama to withdraw US troops.

Unfortunately he can't because a worthless loser called Eddie Ray Routh took his life.

So the Iraq war was about saving lives was it? That's news to me!

twin_beacon

black and amber wrote: »

Where did i say killing ANYone was ok?

So you are saying nobody should ever be killed.
Should the US have let Al Qaeda and now ISIS just go about their business, and ignore the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the other planned attacks that were stopped.

Don't Chute!

twin_beacon wrote: »

while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan?



if you ever get a chance, go to the 9/11 museum in New York. Note the pictures of children killed on that day by Al Qaeda.

What has 9/11 got to do with this? America does not own suffering because of 9/11

Magico Gonzalez

A dictator killed some people, so the US went over there and killed more people. Then some people took advantage of the chaos and started killing even more people.

Because people were getting killed we decided to lock some people up without trial and torture them. This made more people want to kill.

Freedom implemented.

Good job.

Don't Chute!

twin_beacon wrote: »

So you are saying nobody should ever be killed.
Should the US have let Al Qaeda and now ISIS just go about their business, and ignore the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the other planned attacks that were stopped.

I'm saying don't make heroes out of these people.

bodice ripper

So gung-ho hired killer is killed after he decides to try and treat PTSD with time on a firing range. ah well.

Tombi!

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Does the 99 in your username signify the year you were born because this sounds like the hyped up mindless drivel spouted by a teenage boy who's based his world outlook on Call of Duty?

Attack the post, not the poster, please.

smurgen

twin_beacon wrote: »

while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan?



if you ever get a chance, go to the 9/11 museum in New York. Note the pictures of children killed on that day by Al Qaeda.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.

DavidRamsay99

black and amber wrote: »

So the Iraq war was about saving lives was it? That's news to me!

Can you refute anything I wrote?

DavidRamsay99

smurgen wrote: »

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.

Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction?

Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go.

That was enough justification for me.

Pulling the troops out before Iraq was stabilized and the jihadis were defeated was farcical and led to the rise of ISIS which will probably lead to a return of Western troops in the near future.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria are fighting the jihadists today while the rest of the world is sitting on their hands.

seamus

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction?

Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go.

That was enough justification for me.

Funny that the same justification is never brought into effect when we talk about the Israeli occupation and genocide in Palestine. Netanyahu is a brutal tyrant. Why is he being spared?

DavidRamsay99

bodice ripper wrote: »

So gung-ho hired killer is killed after he decides to try and treat PTSD with time on a firing range. ah well.

Kyle wasn't hired. He volunteered to join the SEALs. He volunteered to go and fight in Iraq not once but four times. He volunteered to go on some of the most dangerous missions. He volunteered to help Routh and lost his life.

Who did he kill? He killed Islamic extremist insurgents who were trying to turn Iraq into an Islamic Caliphate. He fought to try and prevent the very outcome Obama was warned would come about if Iraq was abandoned - the rise of an Islamic state in the Middle East.

He was a 100% hero.

DavidRamsay99

seamus wrote: »

Funny that the same justification is never brought into effect when we talk about the Israeli occupation and genocide in Palestine.

The Palestinian Arab population has grown EIGHT times since 1948 and today stands at almost 12 million.

I think there should be an international force in Israel and Palestine keeping the peace between both sides.

bodice ripper

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Kyle wasn't hired. He volunteered to join the SEALs. He volunteered to go and fight in Iraq not once but four times. He volunteered to go on some of the most dangerous missions. He volunteered to help Routh and lost his life.

Who did he kill? He killed Islamic extremist insurgents who were trying to turn Iraq into an Islamic Caliphate. He fought to try and prevent the very outcome Obama was warned would come about if Iraq was abandoned - the rise of an Islamic state in the Middle East.

He was a 100% hero.

someone doesnt know what hired means

Karl Stein

Kyle was liar.

twin_beacon

smurgen wrote: »

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.

well aware of that, and I never implied that he had anything to do with it.

smurgen

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction?

Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go.

That was enough justification for me.

Pulling the troops out before Iraq was stabilized and the jihadis were defeated was farcical and led to the rise of ISIS which will probably lead to a return of Western troops in the near future.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria are fighting the jihadists today while the rest of the world is sitting on their hands.

enough justification for you? your opinion holds no weight and shows the arrogance of the western mind set. what about the people in the middle east who had their lives ruined over the war? you do know the average standard of living was high under saddam don't you? it also matters alot that there were no wmd's. It was the justification behind the war. if I justify killing someone because they had a weapon and i was in fear they were trying to kill me and afterwards it turns out there was no weapon or intent I go to jail.
It's called accountability and it's what western society is based upon.

DavidRamsay99

smurgen wrote: »

enough justification for you? your opinion holds no weight and shows the arrogance of the western mind set. what about the people in the middle east who had their lives ruined over the war? you do know the average standard of living was high under saddam don't you? it also matters alot that there were no wmd's. It was the justification behind the war. if I justify killing someone because they had a weapon and i was in fear they were trying to kill me and afterwards it turns out there was no weapon or intent I go to jail.
It's called accountability and it's what western society is based upon.

Did you miss the detail that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people? Huge mass graves were dug up after the 2003 invasion full of skeletons? You haven't need the footage from 1980s when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds? Have you heard about Uday, his psychopathic son who was allowed to murder with impunity? Saddam invaded Iran and Kuwait and fired Scuds at Israel and Saudi Arabia. After the First Gulf War the Shia rose up and an estimated 100,000 were slaughtered.
Every year Saddam was in still power between 1991 and 2003 thousands were being tortured and executed.

Give me a break!

I don't care if Bush and Blair lied about WMD. Saddam was a f*cking monster.

It was worth it trying to civilize and democratize the godforsaken place. What future has Iraq otherwise? Pulling out the troops worked out real well didn't it?

seamus

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The Palestinian Arab population has grown EIGHT times since 1948 and today stands at almost 12 million.

Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group.

The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950.

But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine?

I think there should be an international force in Israel and Palestine keeping the peace between both sides.

So why isn't there? Could it be because the United States continually blocks all attempts for the UN to get involved? Why would they actively move in to topple one monster, and then elsewhere actively block all attempts to protect one population from another? It couldn't be to do with...oil, could it?

twin_beacon

black and amber wrote: »

What exactly made Kyle a great man?

black and amber wrote: »

What has 9/11 got to do with this?

Kyle didn't just go around shooting random people for the craic. He killed people that posed a massive threat to not just the United States, not just the western world, but the whole world. I used 9/11 as an example as it was a land mark event, the first time the US mainland was attacked in modern history. I could just as well have used Bali bombings, Istanbul bombings, Khobar, Marriott Hotel bombing, bombings in Casablanca, and the many bombings in Iraq performed by Al Qaeda. Because of of the actions of people like Kyle, many other terrorist attempted bombings have been stopped, such as the 2006 plot to bomb transatlantic flights to North America.

DavidRamsay99

seamus wrote: »

Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group.

The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950.

But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine?

So why isn't there?

You said there was a genocide in Palestine.

The definition of genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

When and where has there been genocide during the Israel/Palestine conflict? We both agree that there has been a massive multiplication of the Palestinian population.

You are mentioning famine now eh?

Palestine is listed as the 8th most obese country in the world among men and 3rd most obese among women with obesity rates of 23.9% for men and 42.8% for women.