Clare Daly TD

ezra_pound · 12-02-2015 10:35PM

Look, I agree that this issue needs to be addressed but clearly it's a constitutional matter and needs to be ratified by referendum.

conorh91 · 12-02-2015 10:52PM

ezra_pound wrote: »

The supreme court is pretty clear cut about it:

Roche v Roche 2009

No. Again, you're focusing on the wrong issue.

Fatal foetal abnormality cases are more comparable to the Supreme Court case of In re a Ward of Court, concerning the right to a dignified death; or a 2013 case (unreported) in which in which following an emergency application by the HSE (and the child's parents on consent) the High Court made orders allowing doctors to withdraw medical treatment and not resuscitate a three-week-old baby whose condition was described as “hopeless” and painful, and whose life prospects were described as “bleak and remote“.

In granting the orders, the High Court was of the opinion that further treatment would not be in the child's best interests and that doctors could withdraw medical treatment which would lead to his death within an hour.

Clearly there are circumstances in which individuals (born and unborn) simply cannot avail of their constitutional right to life. In those circumstances, there is legitimate debate regarding how, and when, a life should be no longer maintained.

ezra_pound · 15-02-2015 01:07PM

NOTICE:

Claire Daly will be discussing the constitutionality of the bill with a legal academic on the this week show this afternoon.

ezra_pound · 15-02-2015 06:05PM

ezra_pound wrote: »

NOTICE:

Claire Daly will be discussing the constitutionality of the bill with a legal academic on the this week show this afternoon.

Apologies. It was actually Ivana Bacik.

jobbridge4life · 15-02-2015 08:03PM

ezra_pound wrote: »

Look, I agree that this issue needs to be addressed but clearly it's a constitutional matter and needs to be ratified by referendum.

Clearly it involves constitutional matters but there is no guarantee that it requires ratification via referendum.

FreudianSlippers · 16-02-2015 05:02PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Clearly it involves constitutional matters but there is no guarantee that it requires ratification via referendum.

I think they're two separate issues. The law wouldn't require ratification by referendum, it would only need to pass the Supreme Court test of constitutionality if it was passed by the Oireachtas (specifically the "with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother" issue). The separate issue is plebiscite to amend/repeal the 8th Amendment.

jobbridge4life · 16-02-2015 06:29PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I think they're two separate issues. The law wouldn't require ratification by referendum, it would only need to pass the Supreme Court test of constitutionality if it was passed by the Oireachtas (specifically the "with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother" issue). The separate issue is plebiscite to amend/repeal the 8th Amendment.

This is the essence of my point. Anything regarding terminating a pregnancy/aborting an unborn/'killing a baby' necessarily involves the Constitution by virtue of Article 40.3.3. That people regularly cite this Article, (itself an amendment) as conclusive proof with regard to anything demonstrates either an ignorance of constitutional law or wilful bias.

Baggy Trousers · 17-02-2015 04:05PM

When is Daly going to hear about the investigation into her OTT arrest?

conorh91 · 17-02-2015 07:15PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

This is the essence of my point. Anything regarding terminating a pregnancy/aborting an unborn/'killing a baby' necessarily involves the Constitution by virtue of Article 40.3.3. That people regularly cite this Article, (itself an amendment) as conclusive proof with regard to anything demonstrates either an ignorance of constitutional law or wilful bias.

Agreed. Anytime a person says an issue is 'certain' in constitutional jurisprudence, despite not having previously been addressed by the courts, be very suspicious.

If this statement is made on an internet forum, you can easily triple your suspicion.

Of all the areas of law, constitutional more than any of them is an art and not a science.

FreudianSlippers · 18-02-2015 10:20AM

conorh91 wrote: »

Agreed. Anytime a person says an issue is 'certain' in constitutional jurisprudence, despite not having previously been addressed by the courts, be very suspicious.

If this statement is made on an internet forum, you can easily triple your suspicion.

Of all the areas of law, constitutional more than any of them is an art and not a science.

I certainly didn't suggest anything was certain.

Muahahaha · 18-02-2015 09:54PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

When is Daly going to hear about the investigation into her OTT arrest?

dunno but it is ongoing, there was something about it a few weeks ago.

conorh91 · 18-02-2015 10:28PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I certainly didn't suggest anything was certain.

It was not a reference to you, but to ezra_pound, who indicated this issue is clear-cut and that his point of view is to be taken as fact.

Although I suspect the AG was correct, the AG's opinion is not shared by a former AG and an assortment (an ivory tower? an extravagance? I forget the collective term) of legal academics. A number of practicing barristers have also expressed their doubts in public.

I don't know the answer for certain. But I do know there's a real debate.

petronius · 23-02-2015 02:20PM

Clare Daly fair play to her for campaigning on issues -
but why discredit and undermine the cause of fatal foetal abnormalities - with linking it to legalising abortion full stop
she is abusing those who have to endure this issue, as a trojan horse for her to get abortion on demand..

volchitsa · 24-02-2015 08:16AM

petronius wrote: »

Clare Daly fair play to her for campaigning on issues -
but why discredit and undermine the cause of fatal foetal abnormalities - with linking it to legalising abortion full stop
she is abusing those who have to endure this issue, as a trojan horse for her to get abortion on demand..

What a strange thing to say. How is she "abusing" them? Breda O Brien is abusing them, by pretending that neonatal hospices (which she admits don't even exist in sufficient numbers anyway) are the only acceptable solution.

Clare Daly is one of those rare Irish politicians who cares enough about her constituents to get her snout out of the trough and try to help families in this situation.

That she also thinks other women should be entitled to abortions if they feel they need them is in no way an abuse of parents whose babies suffer from FFA.

That so few other politicians who claim to care about such families are willing to stand up and do something about it is an incitement of those politicians, not of Clare Daly.

DavidRamsay99 · 24-02-2015 06:23PM

What are Daly and Wallace doing protesting against U.S. aircraft at Shannon?

I bet if you did a poll of Irish people on whether U.S. aircraft and ground troops should be fighting ISIS I bet most would be in favor.

If ISIS got their hands on Daly they would probably rape and dismember her.

Baggy Trousers · 24-02-2015 06:50PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

What are Daly and Wallace doing protesting against U.S. aircraft at Shannon?

I bet if you did a poll of Irish people on whether U.S. aircraft and ground troops should be fighting ISIS I bet most would be in favor.

If ISIS got their hands on Daly they would probably rape and dismember her.

That's a very fragmented and twisted post. I worry for you.

mister gullible · 24-02-2015 07:05PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

What are Daly and Wallace doing protesting against U.S. aircraft at Shannon?

I bet if you did a poll of Irish people on whether U.S. aircraft and ground troops should be fighting ISIS I bet most would be in favor.

If ISIS got their hands on Daly they would probably rape and dismember her.

Because the government is either straight and honest and says we are ok with passage of US troops, arms and extraordinary rendition through Shannon or gives lip service to Irish citizens and denies the above. It's a question of basic honesty.

DavidRamsay99 · 24-02-2015 10:27PM

mister gullible wrote: »

Because the government is either straight and honest and says we are ok with passage of US troops, arms and extraordinary rendition through Shannon or gives lip service to Irish citizens and denies the above. It's a question of basic honesty.

Straight and honest? Try asking water not to be wet.

expectationlost · 25-02-2015 02:30AM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

What are Daly and Wallace doing protesting against U.S. aircraft at Shannon?

I bet if you did a poll of Irish people on whether U.S. aircraft and ground troops should be fighting ISIS I bet most would be in favor.

If ISIS got their hands on Daly they would probably rape and dismember her.

its about not bringing war and conflict to the more reasonable denizens of those countries, war and conflict which allows ISIS to flourish

FreudianSlippers · 25-02-2015 10:14AM

How are they pleading not-guilty? They were caught on the taxiway weren't they? Wallace also asked for his rope ladder back.

Waste of state resources by these clowns.

mynamejeff · 25-02-2015 04:59PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

How are they pleading not-guilty? They were caught on the taxiway weren't they? Wallace also asked for his rope ladder back.

Waste of state resources by these clowns.

free publicity for these media whores
what with a election looming id say wallace is afraid he will have to live on his huge tds pension soon enough.

and clare just wants to spend more time with mick

aaaaaawwwwww how cute

:(

Muahahaha · 04-03-2015 03:55PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

What are Daly and Wallace doing protesting against U.S. aircraft at Shannon?

I bet if you did a poll of Irish people on whether U.S. aircraft and ground troops should be fighting ISIS I bet most would be in favor.

If ISIS got their hands on Daly they would probably rape and dismember her.

I bet if you did a poll of Irish people on if they think US and UK foreign policy post 9/11 was mainly responsible for creating ISIS in the first place you'd find most people in agreement.

Every man and his dog could see in 2003 that going into Iraq was a big mistake. The US and UK are less safe from terrorism now than it ever was pre-Iraq War. If they had of just left their folly at Afghanistan maybe ISIS wouldn't even exist right now.

Muahahaha · 23-04-2015 04:47PM

Looks like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace will be spending 30 days in prison shortly enough if they refuse to pay the fine handed down for breaching security at Shannon airport. Which will make them the first TDs to be imprisoned on a matter of conscience in a long, long time.

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-04-2015 04:52PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace will be spending 30 days in prison shortly enough if they refuse to pay the fine handed down for breaching security at Shannon airport. Which will make them the first TDs to be imprisoned on a matter of conscience in a long, long time.

I would never put conscience and mick Wallace in the same sentence.
He had no bother fiddling his books and walking away from his debt.
Hope they both go to prison and do the full time.

Baggy Trousers · 23-04-2015 04:55PM

Roselyn Flat Curve wrote: »

I would never put conscience and mick Wallace in the same sentence.
He had no bother fiddling his books and walking away from his debt.
Hope they both go to prison and do the full time.

Do you hope the Gardaí mistreat Daly again? They wouldn't treat a FG/FF/SF/Labour TD like they treated her before lest we forget...

http://claredaly.ie/statement-from-clare-daly-td/

blackwhite · 23-04-2015 04:57PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Do you hope the Gardaí mistreat Daly again? They wouldn't treat a FG/FF/SF/Labour TD like they treated her before lest we forget...

http://claredaly.ie/statement-from-clare-daly-td/

The only mistreatment was leaking the story to the press.

Unless, of course, you think Daly should have been allowed to drive off after failing to provide an adequate sample when suspected of drink-driving.

23-04-2015 05:05PM

blackwhite wrote: »

The only mistreatment was leaking the story to the press.

Unless, of course, you think Daly should have been allowed to drive off after failing to provide an adequate sample when suspected of drink-driving.

Still a bloody mistreatment!

mynamejeff · 23-04-2015 05:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Still a bloody mistreatment!

you know that letter mick wallace read out about her " mistreatment " in the Dail this week was two years old ?

doesn't that strike anyone as a bit suspect ?

Baggy Trousers · 23-04-2015 05:09PM

blackwhite wrote: »

The only mistreatment was leaking the story to the press.

Unless, of course, you think Daly should have been allowed to drive off after failing to provide an adequate sample when suspected of drink-driving.

BS and you know it. Did you even read the statement. It was political policing and selective treatment.
The Garda Ombudsman is investigating this matter.

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-04-2015 05:21PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Do you hope the Gardaí mistreat Daly again? They wouldn't treat a FG/FF/SF/Labour TD like they treated her before lest we forget...

http://claredaly.ie/statement-from-clare-daly-td/

No...I just hope she doesn't pay and gets locked up in clover hill for 30 days.

Clare Daly TD

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