Eddie Ray Routh Found Guilty Of Murder Of Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield

twin_beacon · 25-02-2015 02:03PM

black and amber wrote: »

Where did i say killing ANYone was ok?

So you are saying nobody should ever be killed.
Should the US have let Al Qaeda and now ISIS just go about their business, and ignore the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the other planned attacks that were stopped.

Don't Chute! · 25-02-2015 02:06PM

twin_beacon wrote: »

while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan?

if you ever get a chance, go to the 9/11 museum in New York. Note the pictures of children killed on that day by Al Qaeda.

What has 9/11 got to do with this? America does not own suffering because of 9/11

Magico Gonzalez · 25-02-2015 02:08PM

A dictator killed some people, so the US went over there and killed more people. Then some people took advantage of the chaos and started killing even more people.

Because people were getting killed we decided to lock some people up without trial and torture them. This made more people want to kill.

Freedom implemented.

Good job.

Don't Chute! · 25-02-2015 02:11PM

twin_beacon wrote: »

So you are saying nobody should ever be killed.
Should the US have let Al Qaeda and now ISIS just go about their business, and ignore the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the other planned attacks that were stopped.

I'm saying don't make heroes out of these people.

bodice ripper · 25-02-2015 02:14PM

So gung-ho hired killer is killed after he decides to try and treat PTSD with time on a firing range. ah well.

Tombi! · 25-02-2015 02:14PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Does the 99 in your username signify the year you were born because this sounds like the hyped up mindless drivel spouted by a teenage boy who's based his world outlook on Call of Duty?

Attack the post, not the poster, please.

smurgen · 25-02-2015 02:29PM

twin_beacon wrote: »

while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan?

if you ever get a chance, go to the 9/11 museum in New York. Note the pictures of children killed on that day by Al Qaeda.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 02:31PM

black and amber wrote: »

So the Iraq war was about saving lives was it? That's news to me!

Can you refute anything I wrote?

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 02:34PM

smurgen wrote: »

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.

Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction?

Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go.

That was enough justification for me.

Pulling the troops out before Iraq was stabilized and the jihadis were defeated was farcical and led to the rise of ISIS which will probably lead to a return of Western troops in the near future.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria are fighting the jihadists today while the rest of the world is sitting on their hands.

seamus · 25-02-2015 02:37PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction?

Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go.

That was enough justification for me.

Funny that the same justification is never brought into effect when we talk about the Israeli occupation and genocide in Palestine. Netanyahu is a brutal tyrant. Why is he being spared?

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 02:37PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

So gung-ho hired killer is killed after he decides to try and treat PTSD with time on a firing range. ah well.

Kyle wasn't hired. He volunteered to join the SEALs. He volunteered to go and fight in Iraq not once but four times. He volunteered to go on some of the most dangerous missions. He volunteered to help Routh and lost his life.

Who did he kill? He killed Islamic extremist insurgents who were trying to turn Iraq into an Islamic Caliphate. He fought to try and prevent the very outcome Obama was warned would come about if Iraq was abandoned - the rise of an Islamic state in the Middle East.

He was a 100% hero.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 02:41PM

seamus wrote: »

Funny that the same justification is never brought into effect when we talk about the Israeli occupation and genocide in Palestine.

The Palestinian Arab population has grown EIGHT times since 1948 and today stands at almost 12 million.

I think there should be an international force in Israel and Palestine keeping the peace between both sides.

bodice ripper · 25-02-2015 02:45PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Kyle wasn't hired. He volunteered to join the SEALs. He volunteered to go and fight in Iraq not once but four times. He volunteered to go on some of the most dangerous missions. He volunteered to help Routh and lost his life.

Who did he kill? He killed Islamic extremist insurgents who were trying to turn Iraq into an Islamic Caliphate. He fought to try and prevent the very outcome Obama was warned would come about if Iraq was abandoned - the rise of an Islamic state in the Middle East.

He was a 100% hero.

someone doesnt know what hired means

Karl Stein · 25-02-2015 02:55PM

Kyle was liar.

twin_beacon · 25-02-2015 02:57PM

smurgen wrote: »

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.

well aware of that, and I never implied that he had anything to do with it.

smurgen · 25-02-2015 02:57PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction?

Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go.

That was enough justification for me.

Pulling the troops out before Iraq was stabilized and the jihadis were defeated was farcical and led to the rise of ISIS which will probably lead to a return of Western troops in the near future.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria are fighting the jihadists today while the rest of the world is sitting on their hands.

enough justification for you? your opinion holds no weight and shows the arrogance of the western mind set. what about the people in the middle east who had their lives ruined over the war? you do know the average standard of living was high under saddam don't you? it also matters alot that there were no wmd's. It was the justification behind the war. if I justify killing someone because they had a weapon and i was in fear they were trying to kill me and afterwards it turns out there was no weapon or intent I go to jail.
It's called accountability and it's what western society is based upon.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 03:08PM

smurgen wrote: »

enough justification for you? your opinion holds no weight and shows the arrogance of the western mind set. what about the people in the middle east who had their lives ruined over the war? you do know the average standard of living was high under saddam don't you? it also matters alot that there were no wmd's. It was the justification behind the war. if I justify killing someone because they had a weapon and i was in fear they were trying to kill me and afterwards it turns out there was no weapon or intent I go to jail.
It's called accountability and it's what western society is based upon.

Did you miss the detail that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people? Huge mass graves were dug up after the 2003 invasion full of skeletons? You haven't need the footage from 1980s when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds? Have you heard about Uday, his psychopathic son who was allowed to murder with impunity? Saddam invaded Iran and Kuwait and fired Scuds at Israel and Saudi Arabia. After the First Gulf War the Shia rose up and an estimated 100,000 were slaughtered.
Every year Saddam was in still power between 1991 and 2003 thousands were being tortured and executed.

Give me a break!

I don't care if Bush and Blair lied about WMD. Saddam was a f*cking monster.

It was worth it trying to civilize and democratize the godforsaken place. What future has Iraq otherwise? Pulling out the troops worked out real well didn't it?

seamus · 25-02-2015 03:11PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The Palestinian Arab population has grown EIGHT times since 1948 and today stands at almost 12 million.

Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group.

The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950.

But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine?

I think there should be an international force in Israel and Palestine keeping the peace between both sides.

So why isn't there? Could it be because the United States continually blocks all attempts for the UN to get involved? Why would they actively move in to topple one monster, and then elsewhere actively block all attempts to protect one population from another? It couldn't be to do with...oil, could it?

twin_beacon · 25-02-2015 03:18PM

black and amber wrote: »

What exactly made Kyle a great man?

black and amber wrote: »

What has 9/11 got to do with this?

Kyle didn't just go around shooting random people for the craic. He killed people that posed a massive threat to not just the United States, not just the western world, but the whole world. I used 9/11 as an example as it was a land mark event, the first time the US mainland was attacked in modern history. I could just as well have used Bali bombings, Istanbul bombings, Khobar, Marriott Hotel bombing, bombings in Casablanca, and the many bombings in Iraq performed by Al Qaeda. Because of of the actions of people like Kyle, many other terrorist attempted bombings have been stopped, such as the 2006 plot to bomb transatlantic flights to North America.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 03:19PM

seamus wrote: »

Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group.

The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950.

But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine?

So why isn't there?

You said there was a genocide in Palestine.

The definition of genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

When and where has there been genocide during the Israel/Palestine conflict? We both agree that there has been a massive multiplication of the Palestinian population.

You are mentioning famine now eh?

Palestine is listed as the 8th most obese country in the world among men and 3rd most obese among women with obesity rates of 23.9% for men and 42.8% for women.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 03:20PM

seamus wrote: »

Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group.

The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950.

But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine?

So why isn't there? Could it be because the United States continually blocks all attempts for the UN to get involved? Why would they actively move in to topple one monster, and then elsewhere actively block all attempts to protect one population from another? It couldn't be to do with...oil, could it?

This thread is about Chris Kyle. Not Palestine. Start your own thread about Palestine if you like.

Just because America is an ally of Israel does not mean it is wrong to topple dictators elsewhere in the world.

Your reasoning makes no sense.

I don't agree with China occupying Tibet but if China went to war with ISIS I would support it 100%.

If a Chinese or Russian sniper had gone to Iraq and fought Sunni and Shia insurgents and was shot at a gun range while helping a fellow veteran I would consider him a hero too.

Karl Stein · 25-02-2015 03:23PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

I don't care if Bush and Blair lied about WMD.

It was worth it trying to civilize and democratize the godforsaken place. What future has Iraq otherwise? Pulling out the troops worked out real well didn't it?

It was worth it as long as you with your joypad in your hand playing call of duty while furiously masturbating to war fantasies didn't have to go.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 03:28PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

It was worth it as long as you with your joypad in your hand playing call of duty while furiously masturbating to war fantasies didn't have to go.

What war fantasies are you talking about?

Are you going to tell me Saddam Hussein was not a fascist dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people? That never happened huh?

Are you going to tell me Sunni and Shia insurgents did not try to turn Iraqi into a Caliphate? We all just imagined all that did we?

Are you to tell me ISIS should be left alone?

Who is living in a fantasy? Not me.

Chris Kyle was in Iraq, he saw what those savages were doing and he fought to stop them.

FTA69 · 25-02-2015 03:35PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

You haven't need the footage from 1980s when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds?

Who gave him the chemical weapons out of curiosity?

Karl Stein · 25-02-2015 03:42PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Are you going to tell me Saddam Hussein was not a fascist dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people?

He was also a US stooge at one point who was supplied with weapons and intelligence. He also got his chemical weapons capability from, yep you've guessed it, the west.

Are you going to tell me Sunni and Shia insurgents did not try to turn Iraqi into a Caliphate?

The sectarian conflict broke out as a result of the invasion based on lies. Lies.

Are you to tell me ISIS should be left alone?

ISIS are another legacy of those loser chickenhawks who pushed for the invasion you admire.

Who is living in a fantasy?

You and anyone like you is living a fantasy if you think that mess was justified or in any way a win for anyone.

As an aside a lot of what this movie has become is the effort to rehabilitate the fucking disaster of an invasion, based on lies, that was Iraq 2003. An invasion that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, cost the US over 5000 dead soldiers, thousands more shattered by explosions and bullets and more former soldiers dead from suicide than combat not to mention a bill of trillions of USD and a generation of traumatised people.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 03:51PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Who gave him the chemical weapons out of curiosity?

Germany, France, UK, Austria, Italy, Brazil, United States, Holland, Singapore, Egypt, Luxembourg, Spain, China, Russia, India and other countries.

Chemical weapons were used many times against Iranian troops and civilians and against the Kurds by Saddam's forces.

DavidRamsay99 · 25-02-2015 03:58PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

He was also a US stooge at one point who was supplied with weapons and intelligence. He also got his chemical weapons capability from, yep you've guessed it, the west.

The sectarian conflict broke out as a result of the invasion based on lies. Lies.

ISIS are another legacy of those loser chickenhawks who pushed for the invasion you admire.

You and anyone like you is living a fantasy if you think that mess was justified or in any way a win for anyone.

As an aside a lot of what this movie has become is the effort to rehabilitate the fucking disaster of an invasion, based in lies, that was Iraq 2003. An invasion that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, cost the US over 5000 dead soldiers, thousands more shattered by explosions and bullets and more former soldiers dead from suicide than combat not to mention a bill of trillions of USD and a generation of traumatised people.

The hundreds of thousands who died in Iraq were killed by Sunni and Shia insurgents. It was Iraqis themselves who destroyed their own country first by supporting Saddam and then fighting each other for power.

The cowardly withdrawal from Iraq by the Obama administration has led directly to the rise of ISIS.

Now troops will have to be sent right back in again to crush them.

Saddam's regime should have been toppled in 1991 not left in power until 2003 and ISIS should have long since been defeat only because cowards in the West are not prepared to do anything.

25-02-2015 04:07PM

What about them water charges eh ?

smurgen · 25-02-2015 04:13PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Did you miss the detail that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people? Huge mass graves were dug up after the 2003 invasion full of skeletons? You haven't need the footage from 1980s when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds? Have you heard about Uday, his psychopathic son who was allowed to murder with impunity? Saddam invaded Iran and Kuwait and fired Scuds at Israel and Saudi Arabia. After the First Gulf War the Shia rose up and an estimated 100,000 were slaughtered.
Every year Saddam was in still power between 1991 and 2003 thousands were being tortured and executed.

Give me a break!

I don't care if Bush and Blair lied about WMD. Saddam was a f*cking monster.

It was worth it trying to civilize and democratize the godforsaken place. What future has Iraq otherwise? Pulling out the troops worked out real well didn't it?

as bad as he was the situation now is worse. http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/ have a read. 4.5 million orphans in iraq.

FTA69 · 25-02-2015 04:14PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Germany, France, UK, Austria, Italy, Brazil, United States, Holland, Singapore, Egypt, Luxembourg, Spain, China, Russia, India and other countries.

Chemical weapons were used many times against Iranian troops and civilians and against the Kurds by Saddam's forces.

Grand. So the countries who later invaded Iraq on the basis Iraq had chemical weapons were the same countries that gave him the weapons in the first place? Can you see any moral dissonance there at all no?

Spare us the nonsense about America deposing a terrible tyrant out of the goodness of their heart please, they were buddy enough with Hussein a short time before. Likewise, the Iraqi people never asked for the US to invade and bomb hundreds of thousands of them to pieces so they could try and secure convenient oil supplies. Anyone who thinks that Iraq was anything but geopolitical manoeuvring over energy supplies is a fool.

Eddie Ray Routh Found Guilty Of Murder Of Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield

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