black and amber wrote: » Where did i say killing ANYone was ok?
twin_beacon wrote: » while at the same time here on after hours there is a thread talking about how ISIS is evil, and they should be destroyed. Is it ok if the US kills the people involved in ISIS? and if so, how is it any different to the armed people that Kyle killed that fought for Saddam's regime of genocide in Iraq, or armed people that fought for Al Qaeda Afghanistan? if you ever get a chance, go to the 9/11 museum in New York. Note the pictures of children killed on that day by Al Qaeda.
twin_beacon wrote: » So you are saying nobody should ever be killed. Should the US have let Al Qaeda and now ISIS just go about their business, and ignore the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the other planned attacks that were stopped.
Brussels Sprout wrote: » Does the 99 in your username signify the year you were born because this sounds like the hyped up mindless drivel spouted by a teenage boy who's based his world outlook on Call of Duty?
black and amber wrote: » So the Iraq war was about saving lives was it? That's news to me!
smurgen wrote: » Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.The justification for the war was that he had weapons of mass destruction. On sky news they even has pictures of so called mobile weapons labs to hype up the war.1 million innocent people with hopes and dreams like me and you were killed in the mayhem. Where were the wmd's and the mobile labs ? Oh that's right the intelligence agencies made an error! How silly and convenient of them.to add to the pain of the folk in that part of the world a power vacuum was left after sadam toppled and a half assed clean up operation put in place and now mad men imported from abroad behead and burn locals who won't bow to them.the cycle of hate continues and nothing is learned.ever.
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction? Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go. That was enough justification for me.
bodice ripper wrote: » So gung-ho hired killer is killed after he decides to try and treat PTSD with time on a firing range. ah well.
seamus wrote: » Funny that the same justification is never brought into effect when we talk about the Israeli occupation and genocide in Palestine.
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » Kyle wasn't hired. He volunteered to join the SEALs. He volunteered to go and fight in Iraq not once but four times. He volunteered to go on some of the most dangerous missions. He volunteered to help Routh and lost his life. Who did he kill? He killed Islamic extremist insurgents who were trying to turn Iraq into an Islamic Caliphate. He fought to try and prevent the very outcome Obama was warned would come about if Iraq was abandoned - the rise of an Islamic state in the Middle East. He was a 100% hero.
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » Who cares if there weren't weapons of mass destruction? Saddam was a brutal tyrant who needed to go. That was enough justification for me. Pulling the troops out before Iraq was stabilized and the jihadis were defeated was farcical and led to the rise of ISIS which will probably lead to a return of Western troops in the near future. Egypt, Jordan and Syria are fighting the jihadists today while the rest of the world is sitting on their hands.
smurgen wrote: » enough justification for you? your opinion holds no weight and shows the arrogance of the western mind set. what about the people in the middle east who had their lives ruined over the war? you do know the average standard of living was high under saddam don't you? it also matters alot that there were no wmd's. It was the justification behind the war. if I justify killing someone because they had a weapon and i was in fear they were trying to kill me and afterwards it turns out there was no weapon or intent I go to jail. It's called accountability and it's what western society is based upon.
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » The Palestinian Arab population has grown EIGHT times since 1948 and today stands at almost 12 million.
I think there should be an international force in Israel and Palestine keeping the peace between both sides.
black and amber wrote: » What exactly made Kyle a great man?
black and amber wrote: » What has 9/11 got to do with this?
seamus wrote: » Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group. The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950. But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine? So why isn't there?
seamus wrote: » Pretty disingenuous on a number of factors, mostly because that figures include ethnic Palestinians living outside of Palestine, who are by far the biggest group. The actual Palestinian populations grown 4.5 times since 1950. But that's kind of a moot point anyway, an increasing population is not an indication that they're doing A-ok. In the midst of the famine in the 1980s, the population of Ethiopia increased by 17%. Does that mean there was no famine? So why isn't there? Could it be because the United States continually blocks all attempts for the UN to get involved? Why would they actively move in to topple one monster, and then elsewhere actively block all attempts to protect one population from another? It couldn't be to do with...oil, could it?
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » I don't care if Bush and Blair lied about WMD. It was worth it trying to civilize and democratize the godforsaken place. What future has Iraq otherwise? Pulling out the troops worked out real well didn't it?
Karl Stein wrote: » It was worth it as long as you with your joypad in your hand playing call of duty while furiously masturbating to war fantasies didn't have to go.
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » You haven't need the footage from 1980s when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds?
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » Are you going to tell me Saddam Hussein was not a fascist dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people?
Are you going to tell me Sunni and Shia insurgents did not try to turn Iraqi into a Caliphate?
Are you to tell me ISIS should be left alone?
Who is living in a fantasy?
FTA69 wrote: » Who gave him the chemical weapons out of curiosity?
Karl Stein wrote: » He was also a US stooge at one point who was supplied with weapons and intelligence. He also got his chemical weapons capability from, yep you've guessed it, the west. The sectarian conflict broke out as a result of the invasion based on lies. Lies. ISIS are another legacy of those loser chickenhawks who pushed for the invasion you admire. You and anyone like you is living a fantasy if you think that mess was justified or in any way a win for anyone. As an aside a lot of what this movie has become is the effort to rehabilitate the fucking disaster of an invasion, based in lies, that was Iraq 2003. An invasion that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, cost the US over 5000 dead soldiers, thousands more shattered by explosions and bullets and more former soldiers dead from suicide than combat not to mention a bill of trillions of USD and a generation of traumatised people.
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » Did you miss the detail that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people? Huge mass graves were dug up after the 2003 invasion full of skeletons? You haven't need the footage from 1980s when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds? Have you heard about Uday, his psychopathic son who was allowed to murder with impunity? Saddam invaded Iran and Kuwait and fired Scuds at Israel and Saudi Arabia. After the First Gulf War the Shia rose up and an estimated 100,000 were slaughtered. Every year Saddam was in still power between 1991 and 2003 thousands were being tortured and executed. Give me a break! I don't care if Bush and Blair lied about WMD. Saddam was a f*cking monster. It was worth it trying to civilize and democratize the godforsaken place. What future has Iraq otherwise? Pulling out the troops worked out real well didn't it?
DavidRamsay99 wrote: » Germany, France, UK, Austria, Italy, Brazil, United States, Holland, Singapore, Egypt, Luxembourg, Spain, China, Russia, India and other countries. Chemical weapons were used many times against Iranian troops and civilians and against the Kurds by Saddam's forces.
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