I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-02-2015 10:35AM

yipeeeee wrote: »

But we are.

from what baseline have we started growing?

Mr. Incognito · 23-02-2015 10:35AM

It's actually worse that people think.

The government incentives I can think of are

1. Hoarding overpriced property the taxpayer over paid for and creating an artificial bubble in residential property.

2. Offering a CGT Holiday to foreign cash investors who bought up stock at zero risk. Any increase in value between their purchase and the next 7 years is a tax free profit.

3. Most of that stock will be sold to young Irish couples at still vastly over inflated prices due to 1. when they take out a credit union loan to meet the 15% deposit, then when Europe actually recovers and interest rates increase then they will default on their Credit Union loans wiping loads of them out, then their mortgages leading to another crash.

4. Ireland has NOT been forgiven the Debt- All that happened is the Capital repayments were kicked out to 2027 and we are servicing the Interest until then. Today's politicians simply kicked the can down the road.

5. NO Government incentive to create real jobs, just scam bridge where paid workers and unpaid workers work side by side and the minimum wage is effectively halved.

I fooking despise the spineless idiots we elect and the spineless idiots that elect them

5rtytry56 · 23-02-2015 10:37AM

hfallada wrote: »

When you can do whatever you like in Dublin or London without people judging you. People like the anonymity that cities offer

There.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2015 10:38AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

from what baseline have we started growing?

A low baseline but How on earth is that worth picking out? Today there are more jobs than yesterday and tomorrow there will be more jobs than today.

Would you propose us absolute numbers instead? I just want to know about the trend.

23-02-2015 10:40AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

It's actually worse that people think.

The government incentives I can think of are

1. Hoarding overpriced property the taxpayer over paid for and creating an artificial bubble in residential property.

2. Offering a CGT Holiday to foreign cash investors who bought up stock at zero risk. Any increase in value between their purchase and the next 7 years is a tax free profit.

3. Most of that stock will be sold to young Irish couples at still vastly over inflated prices due to 1. when they take out a credit union loan to meet the 15% deposit, then when Europe actually recovers and interest rates increase then they will default on their Credit Union loans wiping loads of them out, then their mortgages leading to another crash.

4. Ireland has NOT been forgiven the Debt- All that happened is the Capital repayments were kicked out to 2027 and we are servicing the Interest until then. Today's politicians simply kicked the can down the road.

5. NO Government incentive to create real jobs, just scam bridge where paid workers and unpaid workers work side by side and the minimum wage is effectively halved.

I fooking despise the spineless idiots we elect and the spineless idiots that elect them

bang on the money mate! I was going to buy a house this year, but on mature reflection I think that anyone that invests in Irish property should get there head examined ! The place is Fooked. I might be looking to get out !

bjork · 23-02-2015 10:41AM

Is this your first time out of Dublin in 7 years?
Holiday at home more> Do your part for the economy you are bitterly complaining about

Unless you have been in rural Ireland in the last 7 years, just with your eyes closed?

The_Captain · 23-02-2015 10:42AM

hfallada wrote: »

Young people are the most educated generation Ireland has ever seen. If they have gone to ucd or Trinity to study business or science for 4 years. Why would they go home to the village they came from in the west where they can't get a well paid job that relates to their degree? You can't expect a village to have a well paid jobs for every one related to their degree.

Also a lot of young people want to live in cities. Why live in a small minded kip in the Midlands. When you can do whatever you like in Dublin or London without people judging you. People like the anonymity that cities offer

As long as you aren't wearing pov clothes, have the wrong accent, eating in Supermikes, holding the wrong cultural values or being noticeably different, we won't judge you at all.

23-02-2015 10:43AM

I would like a real impartial economist to come on here and spell out exactly where we are.

RobertKK · 23-02-2015 10:44AM

Yeah, yeah, Ireland is in trouble...

Apple to invest €850 million in a data centre in Galway.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2015 10:47AM

The_Captain wrote: »

"Everything's getting better" say the rich bastárds who didn't suffer for a single day under the recession.

And those who actually pay attention to the news. And those who are getting those new jobs. And the economists.

The only ones who can't accept the growth for what it is are the opposition parties on all the countries that are doing well.

The ones whinging about how it's not improving fast enough are probably the unemployed block layers and truck drivers who are waiting for full employment rather than retraining

RecordStraight · 23-02-2015 10:47AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's happening everywhere the Internet has taken hold. The OPs observations are applicable all over the developed world for similar reasons.

In England there is a trend towards Urbanisation and migration south. For ever job created in the south of England, 12 jobs are lost on the north.

On aggregate there is genuine growth which is comprised of a boom in major urban areas and moderate growth in big towns and probably no change in most small towns and continued recession in rural areas.

This is not an exclusively Irish problem.

I'm sorry, we want easy answers and a government to blame. Take your fancy book-learning talk elsewhere.

Asmooh · 23-02-2015 10:48AM

6541 wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

Excuse me?? I lived in Holland and got a job offer in Ireland and I didn't even really apply, I only asked for information.
Since I moved here I got a few job offers based on my linkedin and not even asking for it.. even companies willing to pay everything just to move to them, but im fine over here for now.

RecordStraight · 23-02-2015 10:48AM

Bambi wrote: »

Best little country in the world for big business!

Certainly in the top ten. It drives the socialists mad.

RecordStraight · 23-02-2015 10:49AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

from what baseline have we started growing?

The one where the crash of the bubble left us.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 23-02-2015 10:49AM

The miserable ****ty cold pissy weather doesn't help matters. If you were looking at the same towns/streets in bright sunshine you's have a different view of them and they woukdnt look so bad

You also have to remember the Catholic church imposed period of lent is happening at moment too and so and so pubs are generally quieter this time of year as the good catholics of Ireland abstain from booze therefore diminishing their tolerance to it so that when they do break out on St Patricks day they get stupid drunk on less drink.

So to sum up, the weather and Catholic Church are to blame for the miserableness of Ireland right now.

The_Captain · 23-02-2015 10:50AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And those who actually pay attention to the news. And those who are getting those new jobs. And the economists.

The only ones who can't accept the growth for what it is are the opposition parties on all the countries that are doing well.

The ones whinging about how it's not improving fast enough are probably the unemployed block layers and truck drivers who are waiting for full employment rather than retraining

Or people in full-time employment who still have to put up with pay freezes and wage cuts while rents and the cost of living goes up.

Streetwalker · 23-02-2015 10:54AM

When all the spin is taken away, all the BS from state TV and special interest media the truth is the country is in a very bad way. The jobs being created besides a few silicone valley type jobs are all low paid slave labour positions with little or no job worth.

RecordStraight · 23-02-2015 10:58AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

When all the spin is taken away, all the BS from start TV and special interest media the truth is the country is in a very bad way. The jobs being created besides a few silicone valley type jobs are all low paid slave labour positions with little or no job worth.

'Start TV'?

The 'spin' is coming from hard statistics. Nobody is pretending that we are back to Bubble-Ireland (thank Christ, we know where that leads) but to pretend that jobs are not being created, incomes and tax-takes improving, and the economy growing is idiotic.

If you can't understand what statistics actually mean, then you were never going to be a high-flyer anyway.

Streetwalker · 23-02-2015 10:59AM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Youth unemployment at 29%, one of the highest rates of graduate under employment in the EU.

#sureitsgrand

They are all tracksuit wearing layabouts sure :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2015 11:04AM

The_Captain wrote: »

Or people in full-time employment who still have to put up with pay freezes and wage cuts while rents and the cost of living goes up.

Yeah that's a fair comment. If you are trapped in your job you have some of my sympathy. I left Uni in 2007 so I've bounced around from sh1tty job to sh1tty job while going back to do a masters. So from my point of view the growth is real because it's people like me that employers are looking for. I.E. Entry level post-graduate positions.

Given that those in full time employment have had to endure pay freeze, while I worked for minimum wage with almost no rights and absolutely no bargaining power. I'm sure you'll understand if I reserve some of my sympathy

Streetwalker · 23-02-2015 11:04AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

It's actually worse that people think.

The government incentives I can think of are

1. Hoarding overpriced property the taxpayer over paid for and creating an artificial bubble in residential property.

2. Offering a CGT Holiday to foreign cash investors who bought up stock at zero risk. Any increase in value between their purchase and the next 7 years is a tax free profit.

3. Most of that stock will be sold to young Irish couples at still vastly over inflated prices due to 1. when they take out a credit union loan to meet the 15% deposit, then when Europe actually recovers and interest rates increase then they will default on their Credit Union loans wiping loads of them out, then their mortgages leading to another crash.

4. Ireland has NOT been forgiven the Debt- All that happened is the Capital repayments were kicked out to 2027 and we are servicing the Interest until then. Today's politicians simply kicked the can down the road.

5. NO Government incentive to create real jobs, just scam bridge where paid workers and unpaid workers work side by side and the minimum wage is effectively halved.

I fooking despise the spineless idiots we elect and the spineless idiots that elect them

I actually think it's the idiots that keep electing them that are the problem. They are the same clowns going around thinking everything is hunky dory at the moment. The funny thing is a lot of these clowns would consider themselves educated :pac:

RecordStraight · 23-02-2015 11:06AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

I actually think it's the idiots that keep electing them that are the problem. They are the same clowns going around thinking everything is hunky dory at the moment. The funny thing is a lot of these clowns would consider themselves educated :pac:

I suppose the most educated people are in jobs because they are...well, educated. I'm not saying that if you are unemployed, you are stupid, uneducated and lazy, but if you are stupid, uneducated and lazy, the chances are that you will be unemployed (and unemployable).

Del.Monte · 23-02-2015 11:09AM

Asmooh wrote: »

Excuse me?? I lived in Holland and got a job offer in Ireland and I didn't even really apply, I only asked for information.
Since I moved here I got a few job offers based on my linkedin and not even asking for it.. even companies willing to pay everything just to move to them, but im fine over here for now.

I know, I know and you tell young people today. My postbox is wedged full of unsolicited job offers every day and it's getting to the point where the post office have had to put on an extra delivery for me. :rolleyes:

The_Captain · 23-02-2015 11:12AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah that's a fair comment. If you are trapped in your job you have some of my sympathy. I left Uni in 2007 so I've bounced around from sh1tty job to sh1tty job while going back to do a masters. So from my point of view the growth is real because it's people like me that employers are looking for. I.E. Entry level post-graduate positions.

Given that those in full time employment have had to endure pay freeze, while I worked for minimum wage with almost no rights and absolutely no bargaining power. I'm sure you'll understand if I reserve some of my sympathy

There's plenty of people your age with fourth level educations who are still struggling in crap jobs. There's people who have suffered more than they should and who still suffer.
But you have no sympathy for them because you did your time in bottom level jobs for a couple of years out of college? Everyone went through the same, you're just lucky that you don't consider yourself still in that position.

There's lots of people who aren't as lucky as you and still have to work their shítty jobs every day.

Asmooh · 23-02-2015 11:12AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

I know, I know and you tell young people today. My postbox is wedged full of unsolicited job offers every day and it's getting to the point where the post office have had to put on an extra delivery for me. :rolleyes:

LOL, well depends on your definition of 'young' im 30

Anyway the reason why I won't switch jobs is because I want to grow to SV/TL or higher and its better to do that in the same company and get the new job and do that job for more than 1 year so you can write on your CV that your previous job was TL/SV

23-02-2015 11:13AM

Looking at the responses here a good few are saying we are fine on the road, stop being so doom and gloom etc. I urge people to look around where they are living, a whole generation of people have left, the country is falling down around us. Open your eyes folks.

Boardom · 23-02-2015 11:14AM

A lot of the mid sized towns in Ireland have now been bypassed by motorways too leaving them looking more empty than when we were children. My town was once one of the most famous bottlenecks in Ireland.

Try to be optimistic. Maybe in 50 years everyone in Ireland will live in cities and we can turn those depressing little towns into National Parks, Heritage Sites or Retirement Villages.

Streetwalker · 23-02-2015 11:16AM

RecordStraight wrote: »

I suppose the most educated people are in jobs because they are...well, educated. I'm not saying that if you are unemployed, you are stupid, uneducated and lazy, but if you are stupid, uneducated and lazy, the chances are that you will be unemployed (and unemployable).

Ya don't say :rolleyes:
Well funk me ya learn something every day.

Like I said I am talking about supposed educated people voting in the same shower of corrupt spineless tossbags we have in power here for the last 40+ years.

chrysagon · 23-02-2015 11:16AM

we are along way from recovery, despite the spin, i have friends of mine, most with degrees and barely get a response from their applications, but they keep trying to move forward, and to be fair, 2 of them have set up a community project in their village to do with tidy towns, and have made major strides,as they feel it increases community spirit and keeps their sanity whilst applying for jobs.
Its all well and good reading about positive news on the economy front, but till the good news reaches our actual doorstep, its only natural to be a bit sceptical.

RecordStraight · 23-02-2015 11:20AM

The_Captain wrote: »

There's lots of people who aren't as lucky as you and still have to work their shítty jobs every day.

Tell that to the kids in Bangladesh picking plastic bottles out of the river 14 hours a day. Is everybody entitled to some sort of dream job now? When did that ever exist? Does it exist anywhere in the world?

There will always be a lot more crappy jobs than nice ones. That's just life.

I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

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