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GAA people = Cavemen?

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  • #152
    Nodin
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    Yes, it is. GAA isn't an international sport though so does not lend itself to patriotism the same way other sports do. Essentially the setting up and joining of a GAA club abroad is to create a bubble in which to isolate oneself from the foreign community within which one is supposedly engaged.

    "hate filled" is something that suddenly hops to mind reading that. Not the GAA players either.


  • #153
    Mushy
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    Yes, it is. GAA isn't an international sport though so does not lend itself to patriotism the same way other sports do. Essentially the setting up and joining of a GAA club abroad is to create a bubble in which to isolate oneself from the foreign community within which one is supposedly engaged.

    You do know anyone can join these clubs abroad right?


  • #154
    AndonHandon
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    Nodin wrote: »
    "hate filled" is something that suddenly hops to mind reading that. Not the GAA players either.
    Mushy wrote: »
    You do know anyone can join these clubs abroad right?

    So it is not parochialism?


  • #155
    WesternZulu
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    So it is not parochialism?
    There are loads of clubs around the world that have been set up by the locals themselves and have little, if any, Irish players.
    France played Italy recently in a Gaelic football game of all indigenous players.
    There have been loads of clubs set up in Galicia in Spain by locals as well.

    Obviously, they have been all brainwashed by the GAA :rolleyes:


  • #156
    Nodin
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    So it is not parochialism?

    No, it is not.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94394229&postcount=150


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  • #157
    whupdedo
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    dreamers75 wrote: »
    Fairly sure the OP is bang on.

    I refuse to let my kids play GAA as they a bunch of wankbags.

    Thats the spirit, hinder the our kids potential enjoyment of a community sport all because of your own narrow minded views, was it because you were left off the team wben you were 9 and never forgave the big bad manager ?


  • #158
    Mushy
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    So it is not parochialism?

    No for reason Nodin has already mentioned.


  • #159
    AndonHandon
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    Nodin wrote: »
    No, it is not.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94394229&postcount=150

    You can believe that if you want but that only applies to the minority I'm afraid. How many emigrant stories and lives have been documented abroad and the GAA club is discussed, not just for the pure love of the sport but for the community associated with the GAA club?

    Yesterday's IT Generation Emigration piece as a very recent example;
    www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/it-takes-time-to-adjust-to-the-uae-but-the-irish-fit-in-well-1.2109832

    "The Irish community in Abu Dhabi and the UAE has grown dramatically in the last five years. That Irish parochial sense of community is evident through the hard working Irish Society, a successful GAA club, a soccer team, golf society and a drama group".


  • #160
    Laois_Man
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    GAA clubs by their nature are very clannish. A friend of mine, English, from Liverpool, moved to Ireland. He attempted to embrace the culture. Loved Gaelic football for a while, joined a local club, had good athletic ability and natural skill. Good commitment too.....trained his arse off. But he could never get in the team. Was always behind the wobbly belly's who barely ever trained but who started every game coz they'd been around so long. So he got disillusioned after a while, joined another GAA club (after a lot of silly bureaucracy) and the exact same thing happened. So he joined a local soccer club instead where straight away he started every game and was one of the best players if not thee best

    Interesting difference. Would it have been different if he wasn't English. Dunno, maybe. But it definitely would've been different if he'd been a clan member all his life.


  • #161
    lufties
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...or people playing a sport they like wanting to continue playing a sport they like. It could be that.

    There's more to it than that, Gaa players/crowd tend to be dog ignorant with a misplaced arrogance. They see the world through a very small selfish prism.


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  • #162
    supersean1999
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    I played gaa and soccer both until 20, I decided I prefered soccer, I managed for 3 years after I finished playing, out Of the 25 lads in the soccer panel, 10-15 played gaa for 2-3 different gaa clubs, everyone of them would tell me they were either asked to pick one or the other or pressure put on them, also noticed that the gaa trainings would be changed to clash with soccer games, it became normal, I'd safely say at every decent level of gaa intermediate and senior club level, playing soccer is frowned apon and 100% your , let's say encouraged not to play, the level of commitment and pressure gaa managers and clubs put on players drive them away


  • #163
    dirtyden
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    Cash Tall Loner wrote: »
    Another thing I might mention is that your second name matters in some areas, like mine.

    Ah I get the bitterness now, you were not picked.


  • #164
    Nodin
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    You can believe that if you want but that only applies to the minority I'm afraid. How many emigrant stories and lives have been documented abroad and the GAA club is discussed, not just for the pure love of the sport but for the community associated with the GAA club?

    Yesterday's IT Generation Emigration piece as a very recent example;
    www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/it-takes-time-to-adjust-to-the-uae-but-the-irish-fit-in-well-1.2109832

    "The Irish community in Abu Dhabi and the UAE has grown dramatically in the last five years. That Irish parochial sense of community is evident through the hard working Irish Society, a successful GAA club, a soccer team, golf society and a drama group".

    So they're so parochial and non-integrating they play soccer (a sport alien in the world), golf (unknown outside Cavan) and "drama" (no idea what that is, must be a Donegal thing).
    lufties wrote:
    There's more to it than that, Gaa players/crowd tend to be dog ignorant with a
    misplaced arrogance. They see the world through a very small selfish prism.

    Typed without a trace of irony there. Well done.


  • #165
    catallus
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    This morning, outside our Church, there was a collection for the GAA club.

    It just made me feel everything is right with tbe world.


  • #166
    RIchieNouveau
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    I played a tiny bit of football when I was in primary so I'm not familiar with any of this stuff, the racism thing piqued my interest though. My son is mixed race and is starting school soon. Is racism a big problem in the GAA? I wouldn't have minded him playing it. Well, I still wouldn't even if the answer is yes but I'd prefer a heads up if it is a problem.


  • #167
    Mushy
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    You can believe that if you want but that only applies to the minority I'm afraid. How many emigrant stories and lives have been documented abroad and the GAA club is discussed, not just for the pure love of the sport but for the community associated with the GAA club?

    Yesterday's IT Generation Emigration piece as a very recent example;
    www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/it-takes-time-to-adjust-to-the-uae-but-the-irish-fit-in-well-1.2109832

    "The Irish community in Abu Dhabi and the UAE has grown dramatically in the last five years. That Irish parochial sense of community is evident through the hard working Irish Society, a successful GAA club, a soccer team, golf society and a drama group".

    You say it like it's a bad thing. And then quote an article that gives various examples of the parochialism of Irish people. Yet a few posts up, you said it is embedded into GAA culture:

    "and is a product of the embedded parochialism from the GAA culture in Ireland."

    Does it(parochialism) have negative connotations? Yeah, it does. Is this restricted to GAA? Not a hope.


  • #168
    diusmr8a504cvk
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    dirtyden wrote: »
    Ah I get the bitterness now, you were not picked.

    I started every single game until the day I l left, but decisions in meetings were only done if they didn't affect these families.


  • #169
    AndonHandon
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    Nodin wrote: »
    So they're so parochial and non-integrating they play soccer (a sport alien in the world), golf (unknown outside Cavan) and "drama" (no idea what that is, must be a Donegal thing).

    Those sports are played via the GAA club connections i.e. the other Irish emigrants; they did not join up with a local club but set up their own golf, soccer and drama clubs all emanating from that GAA club. Again, I am not saying that they should not play GAA sports or shun the community associated with that GAA club as it helps them to settle in what is an alien society, far from home. But it is parochialism for the most part and not merely a wish to keep playing GAA sports.

    This other story was in the IT recently and some things the lady said are just typical;
    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/emigrant-voices/the-biggest-incentive-to-live-in-abu-dhabi-is-financial-1.2108298

    "We have a thriving and active GAA club here called Abu Dhabi Na Fianna, one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the Middle East and Asia . . . You know it’s a small world when club players from home meet on a Gaelic pitch in Abu Dhabi, and those same players have met competitively at home in club and inter county matches, often regaling their peers here with tales of clashes on and off the ball."

    It's only a small world when you let it be a small world!


  • #170
    diusmr8a504cvk
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    RIchieNouveau wrote: »
    I played a tiny bit of football when I was in primary so I'm not familiar with any of this stuff, the racism thing piqued my interest though. My son is mixed race and is starting school soon. Is racism a big problem in the GAA? I wouldn't have minded him playing it. Well, I still wouldn't even if the answer is yes but I'd prefer a heads up if it is a problem.

    I doubt it'd be a problem but there's an equal chance it could occur in other sport than GAA. There'll always be one Arsehole trying to rise him about it.


  • #171
    whupdedo
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    Robsweezie wrote: »
    a little off topic but has anyone else noticed that GAA, hurling and Irish sports stars in general tend to have the personality of a dead fish?

    You've obviously never seen the kearney bros interviewed, ive seen more interesting documentaries about soil quality in outer mongolia (I havent ever seen a documentary about soil quality but I can imagine it would be riveting compared to the 2 auto bots) or paul o connel or cian healy, all boring, all lead very uninteresting lifes if their interview are anything to go by

    The days of the hell raising sports star are gone and in their place are brain dead robots who give rehearsed boring answers and seem totally devoid of any personality whatsoever


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  • #172
    RIchieNouveau
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    Cash Tall Loner wrote: »
    I doubt it'd be a problem but there's an equal chance it could occur in other sport than GAA. There'll always be one Arsehole trying to rise him about it.

    Ah OK. So he might get a couple of comments from other players, I'm sure that comes with all sports and I'm under no illusions that he'll get through life without a bit of that. I was imagining loads of jeering from the sidelines or something.


  • #173
    AndonHandon
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    Mushy wrote: »
    You say it like it's a bad thing. And then quote an article that gives various examples of the parochialism of Irish people. Yet a few posts up, you said it is embedded into GAA culture:

    "and is a product of the embedded parochialism from the GAA culture in Ireland."

    Does it(parochialism) have negative connotations? Yeah, it does. Is this restricted to GAA? Not a hope.

    Of course it is not restricted to GAA. But it is strongly associated with the GAA.


  • #174
    diusmr8a504cvk
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    RIchieNouveau wrote: »
    Ah OK. So he might get a couple of comments from other players, I'm sure that comes with all sports and I'm under no illusions that he'll get through life without a bit of that. I was imagining loads of jeering from the sidelines or something.

    There's less of it in the city where there's lot of races. Out in the sticks, it's strange to see different races.


  • #175
    Mushy
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    RIchieNouveau wrote: »
    Ah OK. So he might get a couple of comments from other players, I'm sure that comes with all sports and I'm under no illusions that he'll get through life without a bit of that. I was imagining loads of jeering from the sidelines or something.

    There may be jeering from the sidelines, but once again, those people wouldn't be worth paying attention to. Would apply to all sports though. As an aside to this, GAA are looking into the Meath hurling game against Wicklow where fans and players were allegedly abusing a Wicklow player for being a traveller.
    AndonHandon wrote: »
    Of course it is not restricted to GAA. But it is strongly associated with the GAA.

    Yup, and not a bad thing.


  • #176
    Baby Jane
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    Again, thanks for the parenting tips Dr Spock - how many kids have you raised again, you seem to have missed that one last time round.

    :)
    I am not sure a person would have to be a parent to express disagreement with actively forbidding a child from getting involved with a sport that might be of interest to them?
    Even though you seem like you'll do your best to turn your child off gaelic games, so they probably will be sufficiently influenced (I understand your dislike of the organisation) they might develop an interest in the sport due to e.g. their friends playing the sport.
    I know there are many things a non parent is not qualified to advise a parent on, but this doesn't apply to absolutely everything though.


  • #177
    Pumpkinseeds
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    Most Irish kids are inculcated into GAA sports when they're at school and a lot of people seem to enjoy it. That being said, I live in a town with a very popular and very successful club and a lot of them appear to be mouth breathing muck savages. I never had an ounce of interest in GAA pursuits but my brother was very into it. I'll leave them to it, tbh there seems to be a very clichy element to it all.


  • #178
    suicide_circus
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    I dont get why people think hurling is a great spectator sport. You cant see the ball A LOT of the time.


  • #179
    score_card
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    Laois_Man wrote: »
    GAA clubs by their nature are very clannish. A friend of mine, English, from Liverpool, moved to Ireland. He attempted to embrace the culture. Loved Gaelic football for a while, joined a local club, had good athletic ability and natural skill. Good commitment too.....trained his arse off. But he could never get in the team. Was always behind the wobbly belly's who barely ever trained but who started every game coz they'd been around so long. So he got disillusioned after a while, joined another GAA club (after a lot of silly bureaucracy) and the exact same thing happened. So he joined a local soccer club instead where straight away he started every game and was one of the best players if not thee best

    Interesting difference. Would it have been different if he wasn't English. Dunno, maybe. But it definitely would've been different if he'd been a clan member all his life.

    if he had been from dublin ( or even donegal ) and the club in question was in kerry or mayo , the same thing would likely have happened

    GAA club culture is indeed very clannish , its also full of who your father was when it comes to getting picked , if your father played for the local team , your guarenteed to get picked no matter how crap you are


  • #180
    Nodin
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    AndonHandon wrote: »
    .....................

    It's only a small world when you let it be a small world!

    ...advice you seem to be able to give out but not receive.


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  • #181
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    He'll join Litte Kickers at 18 months, Soccer. And he'll join the kids cricket team down in the Phoenix Park when he's able.
    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    Cricket is one of the most inclusive sports around, and as an added bonus, there's an excellent chance that if a youngfella is trained from a young age he'll get to represent his country (or closest equivalent) at the highest level, a World Cup..
    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    well, he's ten months old now, hopefully in 20 years or so Ireland will have secured Test status - if not, then yeah, an England & Wales* call up would be the pinnacle of Test Cricket, and I'd be absolutely proud of it.
    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    I don't play any sports

    You're coming across as a bit of a "stage mom," tbh.


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