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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Zhane


    Kind of yes. I cannot be sure that a man/women are into mad stuff that I would find disgusting - I have no evidence. But I know two men are into stuff that makes me cringe - sorry!



    Its not a problem I have with my brother. Thats for him to decide, not you.

    I am not looking for excuses - just replying to the subject at hand. This does not consume my life I assure you.

    If my reasoning is unfair then I accept that. I have self awareness and self doubt. Some people should learn that before labelling me a bigot.

    You posted that you wouldn't let him stay because you are afraid he would have sex with his partner. That is a problem that YOU have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Zhane wrote: »
    to be honest each to their own. As long as they cleaned up after themselves, let them at it.

    Cool, +1. That is your tolerance threshold, fair play. Its not mine. But some are saying I am a homophobe/bigot because of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ah now hardened man you are completely changing your story

    Earlier on your story was

    Straight sex = Fine
    Lesbian sex = Fine
    Gay sex = Not Fine

    Now you're backtracking and trying to say something different

    All sex = not fine

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kind of yes. I cannot be sure that a man/women are into mad stuff that I would find disgusting - I have no evidence. But I know two men are into stuff that makes me cringe - sorry!

    .

    That's a bit odd, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Nodin wrote: »
    That's a bit odd, tbh.

    Very odd considering earlier on in the thread he claimed something entirely the opposite.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Is there a law about outing gays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Zhane


    reprise wrote: »
    What if they don't?

    Then if it was my house, I would obviously have to clean it up, and I am not anybodies maid. They wouldn't be invited back, gay, straight, brother, sister, mother, father. Wouldn't matter, what your into, along as I don't have to see it or deal with the aftermath. You are perfectly welcome to stay with me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Zhane wrote: »
    You posted that you wouldn't let him stay because you are afraid he would have sex with his partner. That is a problem that YOU have.

    I've just invited some gay people to stay at mine for the weekend. I have a question on etiquette (as it'll be valentines day)


    If I hear them at it, should I clap when they finish to show my support for their gay activities, or not?

    I want to avoid any embarrassing faux pas and demonstrate to them that I'm not a homophobe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Zhane


    bjork wrote: »
    I've just invited some gay people to stay at mine for the weekend. I have a question on etiquette (as it'll be valentines day)


    If I hear them at it, should I clap when they finish to show my support for their gay activities, or not?

    I want to avoid any embarrassing faux pas and demonstrate to them that I'm not a homophobe

    Wait till the next morning, and ask them what position it was because you might want to try it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Ah now hardened man you are completely changing your story

    Earlier on your story was

    Straight sex = Fine
    Lesbian sex = Fine
    Gay sex = Not Fine

    Now you're backtracking and trying to say something different

    All sex = not fine

    Wait..what?

    Where did I say All sex = Not fine?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Wait..what?

    Where did I say All sex = Not fine?

    In your reply to Nodin

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Wait..what?

    Where did I say All sex = Not fine?

    Clearly there are sexual practices you disapprove of and would not have people who do them in your property. That's what I understood your answer as.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Zhane wrote: »
    You posted that you wouldn't let him stay because you are afraid he would have sex with his partner. That is a problem that YOU have.

    I fully agree it is MY problem. I just don't accept that I am a bigot because of it. I am against lots of things, all of which are MY problem. Sometimes I am wrong, and democracy allows things against my judgements. I accept this. I am self aware. I am never sure my opinion is the correct one. Is this not an acceptable position?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Clearly there are sexual practices you disapprove of and would not have people who do them in your property. That's what I understood your answer as.

    Yep you got it. But I need a reason to believe such activities would be happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    bjork wrote: »
    I've just invited some gay people to stay at mine for the weekend. I have a question on etiquette (as it'll be valentines day)


    If I hear them at it, should I clap when they finish to show my support for their gay activities, or not?

    I want to avoid any embarrassing faux pas and demonstrate to them that I'm not a homophobe

    Make it subtle.

    Roman Toga party. Flowers everywhere and buckets of wine.

    EDIT: Do you have a sauna?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Zhane


    I fully agree it is MY problem. I just don't accept that I am a bigot because of it. I am against lots of things, all of which are MY problem. Sometimes I am wrong, and democracy allows things against my judgements. I accept this. I am self aware. I am never sure my opinion is the correct one. Is this not an acceptable position?

    You're going around in circles. You said you didn't have a problem, but now you're admitting you do.

    You are what you are. You can believe what you want to believe. However, you have to be open to criticism of your views. As I said earlier, Its your home, you can decide who stays there, but I hope for your brothers sake that he knows better than to ask you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Yep you got it. But I need a reason to believe such activities would be happening.

    So your just embarrassed or prude about sex then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Yep you got it. But I need a reason to believe such activities would be happening.

    So you have a problem with anal sex, whether straight or gay, rather than gay people? Is that what you are trying to say? Gay guys kissing, hugging, holding hands in public would be ok though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Zhane wrote: »
    You're going around in circles. You said you didn't have a problem, but now you're admitting you do.

    You are what you are. You can believe what you want to believe. However, you have to be open to criticism of your views. As I said earlier, Its your home, you can decide who stays there, but I hope for your brothers sake that he knows better than to ask you.

    Point taken (somewhat). I am open to criticism. I think some of the uber liberals should also listen to people's opinions.
    20Cent wrote: »
    So your just embarrassed or prude about sex then?

    Ah no, don't get me wrong. I think I may have explained myself badly (based on the number of people questioning my reasoning).

    Let me set the record straight;

    I would never advertise a property as "no gays allowed". And I will even be this honest - lesbians turn me on!!

    But I can understand how some people would find the thought of gays in their property off putting. Like I said - my gay brother knows not to bring guys home to bed. He is ok with that.

    I do not "treat" people differently day to day because of their sexual orientation. My replies may look like I do because they are focused on the context of the thread, not on day-to-day living.

    And frankly, I would be upset if a gay man thought of me as a bad person that would treat him any less of a human being because of my wee shudders at the thought of gay sex.

    Sorry if I offended anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    So you have a problem with anal sex, whether straight or gay, rather than gay people? Is that what you are trying to say? Gay guys kissing, hugging, holding hands in public would be ok though?

    No, man and man showing sexual affection to each other makes me shudder. I have no problem with anal sex in principle, in fact I am always trying to get the wife to try it out :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    And frankly, I would be upset if a gay man thought of me as a bad person that would treat him any less of a human being because of my wee shudders at the thought of gay sex.

    Don't worry. Straight people think less of you for it as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    reprise wrote: »
    Make it subtle.

    Roman Toga party. Flowers everywhere and buckets of wine.

    EDIT: Do you have a sauna?

    No sauna in house, I wanted to go to The boilerhouse or the Dock Sauna but apparently Access is for men only

    http://www.gayscout.com/en/city3199/topic43/branch2/Dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Zhane


    No, man and man showing sexual affection to each other makes me shudder. I have no problem with anal sex in principle, in fact I am always trying to get the wife to try it out :pac:

    You've just lost your own argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    Don't worry. Straight people think less of you for it as well.

    That's cool. They can treat me differently if they want. I will still help the needy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Zhane wrote: »
    You've just lost your own argument.

    Fair enough. I don't need to win arguments to feel accepted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    bjork wrote: »
    No sauna in house, I wanted to go to The boilerhouse or the Dock Sauna but apparently Access is for men only

    http://www.gayscout.com/en/city3199/topic43/branch2/Dublin

    Hahaha YES. Straight people being jelly about gay saunas is the best thing in the world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    Don't worry. Straight people think less of you for it as well.

    Uhuh... because real straight people just love the thoughts of two men having anal sex in their homes, right?

    What a world we live in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Zhane


    reprise wrote: »
    Uhuh... because real straight people just love the thoughts of two men having anal sex in their homes, right?

    What a world we live in.

    Would you move if a gay couple moved in next door to you? Hypothetically of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    reprise wrote: »
    Uhuh... because real straight people just love the thoughts of two men having anal sex in their homes, right?

    What a world we live in.

    I don't know what you're trying to say. "real straight people" I know have no issues with sex, gay or straight. It's "girls have cooties, ew!" level of thought.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    bjork wrote: »
    No sauna in house, I wanted to go to The boilerhouse or the Dock Sauna but apparently Access is for men only

    http://www.gayscout.com/en/city3199/topic43/branch2/Dublin

    Maybe you need to change tack?

    I've have heard that the George is literally heaving with straight men purging themselves of their homophobia every night of the week.


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