Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

CatFromHue · 09-02-2015 02:04PM

bilston wrote: »

I would think he might bunk a lot of that queue.

I dunno, the incumbents are doing well at the moment so it wouldn't be Schmidt's style to bring an unknown in like that. An unknown in that it's been quite a while since Trimble played.

vienne86 · 09-02-2015 02:06PM

I'd be very surprised to see Trimble feature in the 6N unless there are a lot of injuries in the back line. I think Joe likes his starters to be training consistently with the squad. Trimble has some ground to make up. But it'll be great to see him back for Ulster.

bilston · 09-02-2015 02:14PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I dunno, the incumbents are doing well at the moment so it wouldn't be Schmidt's style to bring an unknown in like that. An unknown in that it's been quite a while since Trimble played.

I agree the incumbents are unlikely to change but I'd say if he is fit and plays well over the next two weeks he would skip ahead of the current players behind Zebo and Bowe

vienne86 · 09-02-2015 02:44PM

RTE reporting all good news from Carton House - SOB, Heaslip, Best, Sexton (have I forgotten anyone? all expected to train fully tomorrow.

andymx11 · 09-02-2015 02:49PM

vienne86 wrote: »

RTE reporting all good news from Carton House - SOB, Heaslip, Best, Sexton (have I forgotten anyone? all expected to train fully tomorrow.

Healy?

total former · 09-02-2015 02:55PM

.ak wrote: »

I'd like to point out this paragraph to people who constantly moan about kicking.

Here's the actual stats that Kinsella refers to but doesn't credit:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/feb/08/rugby-romantics-biff-boot

.ak · 09-02-2015 02:58PM

vienne86 wrote: »

RTE reporting all good news from Carton House - SOB, Heaslip, Best, Sexton (have I forgotten anyone? all expected to train fully tomorrow.

SOB to train fully tomorrow would be a massive boost. Hopefully it happens.

I think twinges can happen like that, I remember pulling something in my calf before, thought I'd been shot with a tazer, immediately thought it was torn and I'd be out for a couple of months.

2 days later I was sprinting on it without any issues. Sometimes these things feel worse than they are. If it was anything more than a strain he wouldn't have been walking on it anyway.

Quint2010 · 09-02-2015 03:01PM

.ak wrote: »

SOB to train fully tomorrow would be a massive boost. Hopefully it happens.

I think twinges can happen like that, I remember pulling something in my calf before, thought I'd been shot with a tazer, immediately thought it was torn and I'd be out for a couple of months.

2 days later I was sprinting on it without any issues. Sometimes these things feel worse than they are. If it was anything more than a strain he wouldn't have been walking on it anyway.

Presume he will have a scan anyway will he?

.ak · 09-02-2015 03:02PM

total former wrote: »

Here's the actual stats that Kinsella refers to but doesn't credit:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/feb/08/rugby-romantics-biff-boot

Kicking is part of the game and shouldn't be such a taboo subject. The amount of times you hear people in the stands going 'Ah ffs would ye stop kicking the bloody ball?!', before the ball has even landed. And before they realize yes we just gave the ball back to them, but now we made 20-30 meters. Rugby is still very much about the territory.

Inaccurate kicking is awful, yes, but the same should be said for inaccurate passing, or inaccurate tackling, or inaccurate mauling etc., etc. But for some reason, even if the kick works out, we still hear people bemoaning about it, as if it shouldn't be part of the game, and then 10 kicks in a game become a 100 due to overreaction.

Unless it's a ROG style dink into the corner people think it's a miss-kick, when it's often very much not the case.

.ak · 09-02-2015 03:03PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Presume he will have a scan anyway will he?

I suppose with that at their disposal why not? But he'll know himself. If it's torn and there's bleeding it'll probably be bruised by now and be an absolute bitch to walk on.

total former · 09-02-2015 03:09PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Presume he will have a scan anyway will he?

He was reportedly having a scan yesterday, so if they're now saying he'll train tomorrow then presumably it was clear.

MJohnston · 09-02-2015 03:12PM

.ak wrote: »

Kicking is part of the game and shouldn't be such a taboo subject. The amount of times you hear people in the stands going 'Ah ffs would ye stop kicking the bloody ball?!', before the ball has even landed. And before they realize yes we just gave the ball back to them, but now we made 20-30 meters. Rugby is still very much about the territory.

Inaccurate kicking is awful, yes, but the same should be said for inaccurate passing, or inaccurate tackling, or inaccurate mauling etc., etc. But for some reason, even if the kick works out, we still hear people bemoaning about it, as if it shouldn't be part of the game, and then 10 kicks in a game become a 100 due to overreaction.

Unless it's a ROG style dink into the corner people think it's a miss-kick, when it's often very much not the case.

Ah you know how it goes sometimes though - playing 10-20 minutes without a glimpse of possession, and then when it's got, it gets kicked right away. It's hard not to want something a bit more thrilling than kicking (although arguably when you understand the minutiae, it can be thrilling in its own right).

.ak · 09-02-2015 03:19PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Ah you know how it goes sometimes though - playing 10-20 minutes without a glimpse of possession, and then when it's got, it gets kicked right away. It's hard not to want something a bit more thrilling than kicking (although arguably when you understand the minutiae, it can be thrilling in its own right).

Yeah but that's the joy of rugby. So many ways to skin a cat, and often without the ball you'll win a match.

MJohnston · 09-02-2015 03:28PM

.ak wrote: »

Yeah but that's the joy of rugby. So many ways to skin a cat, and often without the ball you'll win a match.

Yep, I'm totally in agreement, but I'm just saying I can see how some people could be annoyed about it in the moment of watching

vienne86 · 09-02-2015 03:31PM

total former wrote: »

He was reportedly having a scan yesterday, so if they're now saying he'll train tomorrow then presumably it was clear.

RTE said that he had had a scan when they reported he (and others, including Healy) would be training fully tomorrow.

andymx11 · 09-02-2015 03:38PM

3 interesting facts I just learned;

1) We are no longer favourites
2) We dropped to 4th in the world rankings
3) If Ireland do the slam we will be second in the ranking.

Ok so they arent that interesting.. but still!

vienne86 · 09-02-2015 03:40PM

andymx11 wrote: »

3 interesting facts I just learned;

1) We are no longer favourites
2) We dropped to 4th in the world rankings
3) If Ireland do the slam we will be second in the ranking.

Ok so they arent that interesting.. but still!

Well dropping from 3rd to 4th is a bit meaningless this week.....it is just to do with the ordering of the fixtures. And I am very happy for us not to be favourites.

Larbre34 · 09-02-2015 03:52PM

I agree, slipping below the radar a little suits us perfectly. The English media will be getting way ahead of themselves for the next month or so, beginning a painfully long run-in to RWC, meanwhile we'll just carry on quietly winning games and we'll be humming by the time England arrive in 3 weeks.

awec · 09-02-2015 04:34PM

I dunno. I don't think we'll retain our title.

.ak · 09-02-2015 04:35PM

awec wrote: »

I dunno. I don't think we'll retain our title.

Really? I mean, the beauty about a 6n is it's anyone's game, but this year we're setup for it... Next week will tell us where we really stand. I think we still have to see the best from this team, but when it'll all click together, who knows...

Tox56 · 09-02-2015 05:17PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Ah you know how it goes sometimes though - playing 10-20 minutes without a glimpse of possession, and then when it's got, it gets kicked right away. It's hard not to want something a bit more thrilling than kicking (although arguably when you understand the minutiae, it can be thrilling in its own right).

True but on Saturday we absolutely dominated possession and territory with a relatively kick heavy game

SaveOurLyric · 09-02-2015 08:40PM

.ak wrote: »

I'd like to point out this paragraph to people who constantly moan about kicking.

Id question it. Possible that the successful teams win more possession and so are in the position to kick more balls out of their own half?

Also, assuming the kick is into the opposition half, to immediately counter the advantage, all the defending team has to do is kick it back - even stephen again and neither team has gained by this tactic.

SaveOurLyric · 09-02-2015 08:42PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Murray Kinsella doing his usual great analysis work on each individual Irish try scored in the 6N: http://www.the42.ie/analysis-ireland-italy-conor-murray-try-1928118-Feb2015/

He shows again that Ireland cheat to get their tries. Is Schmidt's success based on the fact that nice guy Joe is really just a shameless cheater ?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-02-2015 08:46PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Id question it. Possible that the successful teams win more possession and so are in the position to kick more balls out of their own half?

Also, assuming the kick is into the opposition half, to immediately counter the advantage, all the defending team has to do is kick it back - even stephen again and neither team has gained by this tactic.

The kick is really unimportant imo, whats more important is what I've bolded below.

Kick into that area, pressurise the opposition exit strategy as much as possible [whether at set-piece, the breakdown, forcing a knock-on in the collision, a choke tackle, forcing a poor kick, or a block down], regain the ball and score yourself. Simple, right?

If you can play the ball in the opposition part of the pitch and pressurise them and force a turnover or penalty good things will happen.

SaveOurLyric · 09-02-2015 08:53PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The kick is really unimportant imo, whats more important is what I've bolded below.

If you can play the ball in the opposition part of the pitch and pressurise them and force a turnover or penalty good things will happen.

Well of course. But thats not much more than saying if you can touch the ball down more times over the opposition tryline than they do over yours, you will probably win the game.

The articles mention kicking, unqualified.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-02-2015 08:59PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Well of course. But thats not much more than saying if you can touch the ball down more times over the opposition tryline than they do over yours, you will probably win the game.

The articles mention kicking, unqualified.

Read more than a quoted paragraph. If you read more then you shall see the qualification.

Having the ball inside your own half simply isn’t worthwhile in international rugby at present. Though there are obviously a number of individual examples that could disprove that assertion, the data shows that teams who kick out of their own half regularly are successful.
Where you really want possession of the ball is inside the opposition’s defensive zone, where there is a far greater chance of scoring points.
Kick into that area, pressurise the opposition exit strategy as much as possible [whether at set-piece, the breakdown, forcing a knock-on in the collision, a choke tackle, forcing a poor kick, or a block down], regain the ball and score yourself. Simple, right?

rrpc · 09-02-2015 09:03PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Well of course. But thats not much more than saying if you can touch the ball down more times over the opposition tryline than they do over yours, you will probably win the game.

The articles mention kicking, unqualified.

It is qualified by the bold face sentence. But you know when kicking works and when it doesn't. Dan Bigger demonstrated the wrong way on Friday night. Keatley, by and large demonstrated the right way.

Micky Dolenz · 10-02-2015 10:11AM

What boils my piss is pointless uncontested box kicks to counter attacking teams. I'm from the school of, if we have the ball they can't score.

Thankfully Ireland have moved on from aimless kicking, by and large.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-02-2015 10:18AM

I don't think Keatley or Madigan's experience at 15 is relevant when debating their merits as a bench option at this time.

total former · 10-02-2015 10:20AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't think Keatley or Madigan's experience at 15 is relevant when debating their merits as a bench option at this time.

Oh yeah? What if Kearney, Jones, Henshaw, Payne, Zebo and Bowe all get injured? Who plays full-back then? Hah?

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