MJohnston wrote: » In fairness, he says exactly that: "The real problem with crude data like those above, and any statistics used to suggest kicking or anything else as an indicator of success, is that they simply aren’t qualitative in any way. What do these numbers actually look like on the pitch? Just because successful teams in the modern game, such as the All Blacks, kick the ball regularly does’t mean every team should go out and begin to kick the ball whenever possible. It’s about kicking intelligently and chasing the kick expertly."
Deleted User wrote: » Kinsella shouldn't be reading the raw "kick number" as anything at all, and it's certainly wrong to present any stats on it. Disappointing, as usually he's spot on.
irishbucsfan wrote: » Agreed with that. The decision to kick is based on triggers which are almost always based on field position, phase count and what happened on the previous phase. I'd be much more interested in an analysis of the game state during each of our kicks.
b.gud wrote: » Another fantastic article today by Murray Kinsella which is relevant to the conversation about kickinghttp://www.the42.ie/ireland-six-nations-game-plan-analysis-1929325-Feb2015/
total former wrote: » Oh yeah? What if Kearney, Jones, Henshaw, Payne, Zebo and Bowe all get injured? Who plays full-back then? Hah?
.ak wrote: » Are we? Only one I thought was poor was Boss's one, and we still won that.
awec wrote: » We are still prone to stupid and pointless box kicks.
Deleted User wrote: » Murray played there at AIL :rolleyes: Do you even watch Rugby?
Micky Dolenz wrote: » What boils my piss is pointless uncontested box kicks to counter attacking teams. I'm from the school of, if we have the ball they can't score. Thankfully Ireland have moved on from aimless kicking, by and large.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » I don't think Keatley or Madigan's experience at 15 is relevant when debating their merits as a bench option at this time.
SaveOurLyric wrote: » Well of course. But thats not much more than saying if you can touch the ball down more times over the opposition tryline than they do over yours, you will probably win the game. The articles mention kicking, unqualified.
Having the ball inside your own half simply isn’t worthwhile in international rugby at present. Though there are obviously a number of individual examples that could disprove that assertion, the data shows that teams who kick out of their own half regularly are successful. Where you really want possession of the ball is inside the opposition’s defensive zone, where there is a far greater chance of scoring points. Kick into that area, pressurise the opposition exit strategy as much as possible [whether at set-piece, the breakdown, forcing a knock-on in the collision, a choke tackle, forcing a poor kick, or a block down], regain the ball and score yourself. Simple, right?
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » The kick is really unimportant imo, whats more important is what I've bolded below. If you can play the ball in the opposition part of the pitch and pressurise them and force a turnover or penalty good things will happen.
SaveOurLyric wrote: » Id question it. Possible that the successful teams win more possession and so are in the position to kick more balls out of their own half? Also, assuming the kick is into the opposition half, to immediately counter the advantage, all the defending team has to do is kick it back - even stephen again and neither team has gained by this tactic.
Kick into that area, pressurise the opposition exit strategy as much as possible [whether at set-piece, the breakdown, forcing a knock-on in the collision, a choke tackle, forcing a poor kick, or a block down], regain the ball and score yourself. Simple, right?
MJohnston wrote: » Murray Kinsella doing his usual great analysis work on each individual Irish try scored in the 6N: http://www.the42.ie/analysis-ireland-italy-conor-murray-try-1928118-Feb2015/
.ak wrote: » I'd like to point out this paragraph to people who constantly moan about kicking.
MJohnston wrote: » Ah you know how it goes sometimes though - playing 10-20 minutes without a glimpse of possession, and then when it's got, it gets kicked right away. It's hard not to want something a bit more thrilling than kicking (although arguably when you understand the minutiae, it can be thrilling in its own right).
awec wrote: » I dunno. I don't think we'll retain our title.
andymx11 wrote: » 3 interesting facts I just learned; 1) We are no longer favourites 2) We dropped to 4th in the world rankings 3) If Ireland do the slam we will be second in the ranking. Ok so they arent that interesting.. but still!
total former wrote: » He was reportedly having a scan yesterday, so if they're now saying he'll train tomorrow then presumably it was clear.
.ak wrote: » Yeah but that's the joy of rugby. So many ways to skin a cat, and often without the ball you'll win a match.
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