Cheltenham Festival 2015

lemush wrote: »

Djakadam undoubtedly going the Gold cup route.

25s with Paddy Power NRNB still a standout for me.

The Ryanair is often a race with great ante post value NRNB considering the majority of the quoted horses won't turn up.

radharc wrote: »

25s with Paddy Power NRNB still a standout for me.

The Ryanair is often a race with great ante post value NRNB considering the majority of the quoted horses won't turn up.

Think he's best price 16s with them now for the GC. Agree with the Ryanair, quite surprised Don Cossack isn't a tad shorter now that Dynaste is out especially with the doubts surrounding Cue Card. Champagne Fever and a few more seem to have the Ryanair as an afterthought while if Johns Spirit couldn't win the Byrne Plate off 148 he cannot win a Ryanair Chase.

Anyone hearing any vibes on Annie Power and how she is working?

Anyone know if Kings Palace will run in the gold cup?
20-1 seems a great price

I know there's loads of tension in the build up to Cheltenham, but can we not let this spill out on thread. Remember to attack the post, not the poster, and please don't speculate as to posters' identities.

Johner wrote: »

20/1 is an absolutely awful price for Kings Palace to win the Gold Cup, for starters you can get bigger, also he won't be running but if somehow he ended up in it the horse has won 2 novices chases beating the same 145 rated animal twice. He jumps nicely but in his first championship/Grade 1 race he was found out and that was an awful Albert Bartlett. Let him run in the RSA this year and see if he's good enough which I have my doubts about.

Spot on. I think he's probably, pound for pound, the most deceiving horse in training. People see him travel like a dream and jump like a stag but fact is he has never had to battle in any of his wins, even back in his bumper and hurdle days. The combined winning distance of his 6 career wins is 62l, showing two things - he's been against poor opposition and that when he wins it tends to be without a battle. He's very velnerable to a classy stayer with guts and will be found out by Don Poli in RSA IMO. I'd have him in JLT if I was Pipe, where his jumping could be used

jimjamcos wrote: »

The combined winning distance of his 6 career wins is 62l, showing two things - he's been against poor opposition and that when he wins it tends to be without a battle. /QUOTE]

Maybe his winning distance shows a third thing- the fact that he is a very good horse!

i said kings palace was the lay of last years festival and he's the same this years. I agree with Jim, send him to the JLT. When push comes to shove kings palace will absolutely down tools quicker than a bricky at 1pm on a Friday!

Johner wrote: »

Josses Hill will be lucky to get round at Cheltenham.

EDIT, not even good enough to beat Third Intention getting 11 pounds. UDS a likely 1/2 shot now.

I'm raging...backed josses hill antepost given the scopey animal that he waS! Then last week backed him for the JLT thinking they'd run scared of UDS. He looks like he's ready for a career in show jumping now!

Bangor Billy wrote: »

Here's a thought. In my experience weather goes in cycles. It has been dry for the last week or so and the long range forecast is saying there won't be much rain around for the next three weeks. If that is right we can expect Cheltenham to turn the taps on.

But if the weather were then to break and the dry spell was followed by a wet spell we could have the first heavy ground Cheltenham for many years. That could change a few things.

Not doubting you but 2 things:

What facts do have to back that up? Are you a weather researcher?

When was the last time Cheltenham had heavy ground - especially after the drainage work they had done.

For me, we may have bursts of weather, 2 or 3 days at a time, but I think this winter has been one of the mildest in the past 10 years or more, but recently we have had snow (which obviously ultimately melts) and lots of frost, but I think the over riding factor is the course drainage.

Also, for me, heavy ground results, like say Chepstow Welsh national, I believe leads to form that can be described as questionable to me.

I wouldn't be keen on a heavy ground Cheltenham, but it is the same for everyone, so let it be

6 weeks today we will be all reflecting on the events of the week

Agreed

Nothing worse than watered ground getting rained on and hence giving false ground

Good to soft will do fine

Gregk961 wrote: »

Kings Palace is certainly underpriced for both the RSA and the Gold Cup. Really cant see the appeal of this horse, if he ran in the GC he wouldn't have a chance (id be fairly sure they wont send him to the GC) and id have at least 5 other horses in the RSA market as more likely winners.

Coneygree the best novice chaser ive seen this year, maybe with the exception of UDS

Coneygree and Kings Palace both need to front run too which creates a problem for both come the RSA. I'd be surprised if either won tbh.

Shemale wrote: »

Sure isnt he the best novice ever, Nico didnt move a muscle in the Kempton race

Ur some man.if I had your knowledge I would give you a job cleaning my toilets.

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Mr Mole has impressed this year and hasn't beaten a bad yardstick in Brick Red.
Looks open to further improvement and I've a had an each way bet at 33s for the Champion Chase. With all the question marks over SS and SDG I think if he does continue his upward curve he could be involved.
Always seemed to have lots potential after his chase debut win over Vukovar. Only 7 too so again, further improvement looks well possible.
I think there's a bit of value at the price, especially if he runs a good race vs Sir Du Grugy next Sat.

Happy enough with this bet now.. BP now 12s, a general 8/1 elsewhere.
Nice bit of value at least..

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I have bolded the important parts of our chat.

Judging by your last comment you think his run today was better than UDS last run, correct me if I am wrong[/quote]

At a point when nobody ever heard of the horse I took 40/1 but yet again its my opinion.I retract my previous comments and apologise if I offended you.