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‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

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  • #542
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science proves that a human foetus is fully a human being.
    Try to keep up.


    Links?


  • #543
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    smash wrote: »
    And the anti-choice side deny freedom and human rights when it suits them to force women into things they don't want to do. :)

    Killing a human being isn't a human right. It doesn't appear in the UN Charter for Human Rights.


  • #544
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science proves that a human foetus is fully a human being.
    Try to keep up.

    Really? So something that has no discernible features, a brain or conscience is now a full human being?


  • #545
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    liam24 wrote: »
    If it were the year 3000, and if Stephen Hawking could only survive if his wife was hooked up to him by a remote device implanted in her stomach, and every breath she took and every piece of food she ate was shared with him, would she be a good or a bad person for letting her husband die because it was inconvenient to her?

    I would completely respect her decision to stop


  • #546
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Religion is irrelevant.
    Contesting or considering science's 'Valid Points' might cause you to see what you so far have failed to see - that abortion kills a human being.

    what about anencephaly? If a woman has an abortion because anencephaly has been detected, is that killing a human being?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #547
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    A human Foetus is not in a parasitical relationship with her mother. To qualify as a parasitical relationship, they must be different species.

    There is a difference between parasitical and parasite. I can't be bothered adding link to dictionary. Look it up.


  • #548
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Links?

    I've been asking for them for pages. He doesn't have any. I would say if you want his source, you'd have to look at the junior cert science book because thus far, that's the level of understanding he has.


  • #549
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Links?

    I can't post links. But inter-species reproduction doesn't exist - ie- humans can only reproduce humans.
    Cats can only reproduce cats etc.


  • #550
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I would completely respect her decision to stop

    If she only had to do it for nine months, you'd think she was a selfish bitch.


  • #551
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    yeah, some of us don't think a fetus is a baby. try and keep up.

    It's a baby when it's wanted or planned but a fetus, parasite or intrusion when it's unwanted or just an inconvenience, right ? Same collection of cells, but carried by people of different lifestyle choices or outlooks perhaps ?


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  • #552
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science proves that a human foetus is fully a human being.
    Try to keep up.

    Surely that depends on the definition of 'human being'.


  • #553
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Ah I see the thread started out well and now is just full of swipes from a certain side of the debate.

    There are an awful of women who are the devil it seems, at least 150,000 of us, aprox 12 per day travel to the UK to have an abortion.

    as for those going on about the cost, the abortion pills are cheap enough, they should be available here for free from the gp for anyone who finds out they are pregnant and chooses to end the pregnancy in the first 10 weeks.


  • #554
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    I can't post links. But inter-species reproduction doesn't exist - ie- humans can only reproduce humans.
    Cats can only reproduce cats etc.


    we kill things more complex than a month old fetus all the time. humans are different because of the capacity for self awareness/ability to feel emotions.


  • #555
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Except, there is not one single person who must care for him at all costs to the detriment of their own well being. Possible to resign as nurse etc.

    Does the state not take up that duty in absence of any kin?


  • #556
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    I can't post links. But inter-species reproduction doesn't exist - ie- humans can only reproduce humans.
    Cats can only reproduce cats etc.

    What is a mule then?

    Come on......... let's be havin' ya....


  • #557
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I've been asking for them for pages. He doesn't have any. I would say if you want his source, you'd have to look at the junior cert science book because thus far, that's the level of understanding he has.

    ....or a basic understanding of reproduction, embryology, genetics, biology.


  • #558
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    It's a baby when it's wanted or planned but a fetus, parasite or intrusion when it's unwanted or just an inconvenience, right ? Same collection of cells, but carried by people of different lifestyle choices or outlooks perhaps ?


    no, its always a fetus.


  • #559
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    ....or a basic understanding of reproduction, embryology, genetics, biology.

    Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry basic.


  • #560
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    mikom wrote: »
    What is a mule then?

    Come on......... let's be havin' ya....

    A male mule cannot reproduce due to chromosome defects.


  • #561
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    mikom wrote: »
    Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry basic.

    'Very basic' would be a step up from your current understanding.


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  • #562
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    no, its always a fetus.
    Strange I've never heard expectant mothers I've known referring to their unborn as a fetus in conversation ?


  • #563
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Religion is irrelevant.
    Contesting or considering science's 'Valid Points' might cause you to see what you so far have failed to see - that abortion kills a human being.

    what about anencephaly? If a woman has an abortion because anencephaly has been detected, is that killing a human being?
    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science proves that a human foetus is fully a human being.
    Try to keep up.

    So you would support abortion up to 8 weeks, since it's an embryo up to then?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #564
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Contesting or considering science's 'Valid Points' might cause you to see what you so far have failed to see - that abortion kills a human being.
    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science proves that a human foetus is fully a human being.

    That's a very subjective opinion. A foetus is classified as "a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth". So it is by no means a full human being. A foetus may contain a human genetic code but it does not hold many of the characteristics of being human. Mainly, the ability to survive without the mother who it lives off. It is still developing and that's why there is a point at which it is given a right to life at a certain stage of development in countries where abortion is legal. Before this point, it is not developed enough to be considered a being which should demand such rights.

    So if your opinion is that it's human and mine is that it isn't, well it doesn't really matter because the only opinion that should be considered is that of the mother.


  • #565
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Strange I've never heard expectant mothers I've known referring to their unborn as a fetus in conversation ?


    people use language inaccurately all the time, so what?


  • #566
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    I can't post links. But inter-species reproduction doesn't exist - ie- humans can only reproduce humans.
    Cats can only reproduce cats etc.
    mikom wrote: »
    What is a mule then?

    Come on......... let's be havin' ya....
    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    A male mule cannot reproduce due to chromosome defects.

    I could not give a fuck about a male mules inability to reproduce as it is a vain attempt at moving the goalpost by yourself.

    You said......... "inter-species reproduction doesn't exist "

    I am here to educate you that a mule is the offspring of two different species, a male donkey a female horse.

    Would you like to be schooled on a hinny?


  • #567
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    SW wrote: »
    what about anencephaly? If a woman has an abortion because anencephaly has been detected, is that killing a human being?

    So you would support abortion up to 8 weeks, since it's an embryo up to then?

    Nope, I wouldn't support killing and embryo or zygote. I was asked about a Foetus, that's the question I answered.


  • #568
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    people use language inaccurately all the time, so what?

    Inaccurately or intentionally methinks !


  • #569
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    no, its always a fetus.
    Actually it's an embryo up until 10 weeks.


  • #570
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Strange I've never heard expectant mothers I've known referring to their unborn as a fetus in conversation ?

    When you have an emotional investment in something it tends to do that.


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  • #571
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Actually it's an embryo up until 10 weeks.


    I was answering in the context of the question asked, in which embryo wasn't mentioned.


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