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‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

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  • #482
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    No. That's the law. Plane or boat are the current options. Neither add much cost to the situation. It would have been far more prohibitive financially in the 70s and 80s to get to england.

    Anyway even if the day ever comes where abortion is legal in Ireland we all know it will be a handful of strictly supervised clinics in major cities. So for the vast majority of people there will still be 1 or 2 or 3 hour drives to Dublin or cork. Far longer than a flight to London or Liverpool or Birmingham. The travel argument is fairly moot. It is what it is for now.

    It's not, it puts financial strain on plenty of people. Being forced away from your support network puts you under psychological and emotional strain. Also, god help you if you're an asylum seeker as was the case last year.


  • #483
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Life a human foetus, a human baby requires food (nourishment) and a sustainable environment to survive. As do you.

    And as I said; practically anyone able to hold a bottle and change a nappy can care for a baby, not so with a foetus. A woman who does not wish to be pregnant cannot simply find someone who wishes to be pregnant and transport the foetus into them to take care of. Until the technology exists to remove a foetus from the womb at 8 weeks gestation and bring it to term in a surrogate or artificial womb the two are not comparable.


  • #484
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Life a human foetus, a human baby requires food (nourishment) and a sustainable environment to survive. As do you.

    A foetus cannot get that themselves. It cannot do anything itself. Nothing. It doesn't breathe itself, it doesn't eat itself, it doesn't defecate or urinate itself. Everything it does (everything) is done by the mother. It can't deprive nutrients itself. It doesn't even have brain function of any kind until 6 weeks. How is that living when you are entirely dependant on something else?


  • #485
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    My point is scientifically sound. No attempt to 'put words' intended.


    Here we go with science again... I take it you're in Junior Cert?


  • #486
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Life a human foetus, a human baby requires food (nourishment) and a sustainable environment to survive. As do you.

    Look back at my posts on this thread.


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  • #487
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    My point is scientifically sound. No attempt to 'put words' intended.
    This is actually what your science reminds me of:
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10941012_10152775271198795_5145194281500557896_n.jpg?oh=923a00dfcc1f429ac51d6152cff83f61&oe=556C9F33&__gda__=1432717414_65150dc5f829fe209054c6a0aaccf692

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10945009_1018367851524985_3495902696415384935_n.png?oh=46e6d08b2dea2442f63de2fb2cebadfb&oe=554B54E5&__gda__=1431340762_025bb048271dc43d28bfe25ac7cc441b


  • #488
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Abortion is the lowest form of murder. Always has been always will be. Killing a life. No one has that right. No one for any reason. Over and OUT


  • #489
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Abortion is the lowest form of murder. Always has been always will be. Killing a life. No one has that right. No one for any reason. Over and OUT

    Bye then :pac:


  • #490
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Abortion is the lowest form of murder. Always has been always will be. Killing a life. No one has that right. No one for any reason. Over and OUT

    Your location says it all. The church is against it and therefore so are you. Think for yourself, teach yourself, form your own opinions.

    So Long!


  • #491
    Your Superior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Your Superior


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Abortion is the lowest form of murder. Always has been always will be. Killing a life. No one has that right. No one for any reason. Over and OUT

    A sound and reasonably thought argument with no religious bias...


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  • #492
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    sup_dude wrote: »
    A foetus cannot get that themselves. It cannot do anything itself. Nothing. It doesn't breathe itself, it doesn't eat itself, it doesn't defecate or urinate itself. Everything it does (everything) is done by the mother. It can't deprive nutrients itself. It doesn't even have brain function of any kind until 6 weeks. How is that living when you are entirely dependant on something else?

    A foetus is living herself, growing herself, gene-expressing herself. Processing nutrients, using energy, moving, has full human DNA, is verifiably human and living.

    For you to state otherwise is just plain nonsense, and in contradiction to what the abortionist themselves say:

    Naomi Wolf, a prominent feminist author and abortion supporter writes:
    Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life...we need to contextualize the fight to defend abortion rights within a moral framework that admits that the death of a fetus is a real death.


  • #493
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Abortion is the lowest form of murder. Always has been always will be. Killing a life. No one has that right. No one for any reason. Over and OUT

    Not even if it's killing me? Not even if it will never know?


  • #494
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Killing a life.

    Lol.


  • #495
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    traprunner wrote: »
    Your location says it all. The church is against it and therefore so are you. Think for yourself, teach yourself, form your own opinions.

    So Long!

    Consequently, the 'church' is against it so you are all FOR it.
    Basing your abortion beliefs on anti-religion, not science, is deeply flawed thinking.


  • #496
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    A foetus is living herself, growing herself, gene-expressing herself. Processing nutrients, using energy, moving, has full human DNA, is verifiably human and living.

    For you to state otherwise is just plain nonsense, and in contradiction to what the abortionist themselves say:

    Naomi Wolf, a prominent feminist author and abortion supporter writes:
    Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life...we need to contextualize the fight to defend abortion rights within a moral framework that admits that the death of a fetus is a real death.

    It's not growing itself. If it wasn't for the mother, it wouldn't be growing at all... And all cells have a full set of DNA, and use energy. Why do you keep saying "if you think otherwise then you're...." when you haven't a shread of proof of what you're saying?
    Ohh, is your science coming from what abortionists say? That's really solid science there.


  • #497
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    My point is scientifically sound. No attempt to 'put words' intended.

    Is it alive? Yes. Can it survive on a basic level as an independent being? No. It's basically a parasite in the scientific meaning of the word. Since you like science so much!


  • #498
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Consequently, the 'church' is against it so you are all FOR it.
    Basing your abortion beliefs on anti-religion, not science, is deeply flawed thinking.

    Spot on. Many of the people in favour of legalising abortion are as idiotic as those who are against it.


  • #499
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Consequently, the 'church' is against it so you are all FOR it.
    Basing your abortion beliefs on anti-religion, not science, is deeply flawed thinking.


    Nope. I formed my own opinion on the subject. Sorry to disappoint.


  • #500
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    smash wrote: »
    Is it alive? Yes. Can it survive on a basic level as an independent being? No. It's basically a parasite in the scientific meaning of the word. Since you like science so much!

    Time to put Stephen Hawking out of his misery in that case.


  • #501
    Frigga_92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Frigga_92


    Has anyone commenting on this thread about how easy travelling to the UK is ever travelled to the UK for an abortion? It's not the same as going away for a weekend with your partner or your friends.
    As if travelling isn't stressful enough, you're travelling knowing that at the end of your journey you will no longer be pregnant.
    Just because this woman decided to end her pregnancy because a child doesn't fit into her life right now (as valid a reason as any reason in my opinion) that doesn't mean the decision was made easily. People are making her into a monster because she has made the responsible choice to not bring a child that she doesn't want into the world. Would it be right to bring a child into the world and resent that child because she missed out on her dreams?
    In my opinion being in a long-term relationship or being married would make the decision very difficult. What if you really want a child but now is not the right time but what if you never get pregnant again? What if one of you can't forgive the other if you never get pregnant again?

    It is wrong that any woman should have to leave this country and go to another country to have an abortion. No ifs or buts, it's wrong, it shouldn't happen. Nobody should be forced to have a child that they don't want. Nobody should have the choice taken away from them.


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  • #502
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    liam24 wrote: »
    Time to put Stephen Hawking out of his misery in that case.


    Do you even know what a parasite is?


  • #503
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    sup_dude wrote: »
    It's not growing itself. If it wasn't for the mother, it wouldn't be growing at all... And all cells have a full set of DNA, and use energy. Why do you keep saying "if you think otherwise then you're...." when you haven't a shread of proof of what you're saying?
    Ohh, is your science coming from what abortionists say? That's really solid science there.

    A Sperm or Ova doesn't have a full set of human DNA.
    A Foetus IS growing herself, processing nutrients into new cells = growth.

    These facts might be uncomfortable to you, but they're biological fact. Verifiable.


  • #504
    Shiraz 4.99
    Site Banned Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Shiraz 4.99


    Brave woman for sharing her story, makes herself a dart board for the knuckle draggers but well done her.


  • #505
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    traprunner wrote: »
    Do you even know what a parasite is?

    He didn't say it was a parasite, he said it was basically a parasite. In fact, his question was "can it survive on a basic level as an independent being". Well Stephen Hawking can't, so let's kill him.


  • #506
    Frigga_92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Frigga_92


    Also, just wanted to add how brave I think this woman is. I don't know if I could ever share my story so publicly. She is probably getting horrible abuse from all angles but is being so brave sharing her story to put this huge problem in the public arena.


  • #507
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    26sdrawkcab wrote: »
    Has anyone commenting on this thread about how easy travelling to the UK is ever travelled to the UK for an abortion? It's not the same as going away for a weekend with your partner or your friends.
    As if travelling isn't stressful enough, you're travelling knowing that at the end of your journey you will no longer be pregnant.

    You'll be told it is fierce economical nowadays.


  • #508
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    smash wrote: »
    Is it alive? Yes. Can it survive on a basic level as an independent being? No. It's basically a parasite in the scientific meaning of the word. Since you like science so much!

    A Parasite is an inter-species description, where one species benefits at the expense of the other. The term can never be applied to a baby or foetus.


  • #509
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    If you're anti-abortion, you could just not ever have one.

    Oh wait, you'd need a womb in the first place, Duffman.


  • #510
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    A Sperm or Ova doesn't have a full set of human DNA.
    A Foetus IS growing herself, processing nutrients into new cells = growth.

    These facts might be uncomfortable to you, but they're biological fact. Verifiable.

    See all those cells in your hands? Yeah, full set of DNA. All your heart cells? Full set of DNA. In fact, you picked out the only cells that don't, which is kinda ironic...
    No, the foetus cannot grow without its mother. Take it out of the womb and it'll not only stop growing, it'll die. A foetus, especially during the early stages, act like most other cells.

    The fact are fact but irrelevant. Please stop trying to use science to prove anything. It's not working and undermining what science actually is.


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  • #511
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Life a human foetus, a human baby requires food (nourishment) and a sustainable environment to survive. As do you.

    A human baby does not require a parasitical relationship with a host to survive. A foetus does, and whilst that is the case it is entirely illogical to grant it rights separate to or equal to, the rights of the host. The 'rights' of a foetus can only extend to those which it's host chooses to grant it. This applies whether or not abortion is legal and whether or not pro birthers scream until they are blue in the face that reality is something to the contrary. As a pregnant woman I may live in a country where I cannot legally avail of abortion, but I can drink a litre of metholated spirits if it takes my fancy. What do pro birthers suggest is done about the foetuses 'equal rights' then? Aside from locking up all pregnant woman and holding them incarcerated until they have safely birthed, foetuses cannot be granted rights that are equal to or superceed those of the pregnant woman. Aside from abortion there are untold things she may do that could cause the foetus harm. What do pro birthers plan to do about this to ensure the 'rights' of the foetus? Or is it just the 'right to life' that matters? Regardless of the quality of that life?


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