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Potential issue with priest

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    lazygal wrote: »
    All Catholic wedding ceremonies are exactly the same, no matter how couples like to think how personal they are, so its neither here nor there what the priest sounds like.

    Not really true. Priests often give sermons they write themselves at weddings. You can't follow that along in a booklet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I definitely agree that a nice priest can make a difference. But unless you bring your own, you generally don't get to choose. That's the way its always been.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭cactusgal


    I don't really have much more advice to add Op, but I do understand your concern. I'm not Irish and have to modify my accent at times to make myself understood, and I also work in a very international environment, so I'm dealing with different accents all the time.

    But, one of the priests at my parents' church was extremely hard to understand, and mass (the homily) was very hard to follow. He was very fluent, but his pronunciation wasn't great, so although he had a great vocabulary and had perfect grammar, his pronunciation really held him back. I'd not want him to do my wedding mass for that reason, so I understand where you're coming from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Not really true. Priests often give sermons they write themselves at weddings. You can't follow that along in a booklet.
    Yes, but the prayers and the standy uppy and sitting down bits are always the same, a few prayers of the faithful, the long prayers most people mumble along to, the same gospel readings, the shuffling around for communion and the man in the robe. It's hardly difficult to predict what's going to happen at Irish catholic weddings. And a priest with an accent isn't going to make things that difficult to follow when most guests have been to exactly the same type of ceremony several times.
    I do remember two sermons. One was a rant about gay marriage around the time of civil partnerships being introduced and the other was a serious warning about drink driving and people being killed on the roads. Who says romance is dead?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Nice try at implying something else though, if you have nothing to add but insinuations then kindly keep them to yourself, yeah.

    Interesting reaction. Can I suggest that if you are worried about being offensive, maybe try not to start off in defensive mode.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    OP as you can see one particular poster has a serious problem with RCC, has no real interest in offering you an opinion on how you might proceed, but hates to ever miss an opportunity to be disrespectfull dismissive or even offensive about anything Catholic.Never tires of it in fact. Best ignore.
    I would have no hesitation in going direct to the priest in question. Tell him how important your actual marriage ceremony is to you and that you only picked up bits and pieces of the mass and his sermon that you attended. Tell him that this has upset you greatly and enquire as to whether it be possible for him to concelebrate the mass with another, possibly retired, priest.
    Honesty is the best policy. Dont worry. No feelings will be hurt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    No idea what youre talking about, perhaps your own paranoia is a reflection of something you see in yourself.

    Hmmmm, indeed.

    It comes off as shallow at best and racist at worst.

    Why didnt you just make your accusation from the get go instead of beating around the bush, it helps people look less foolish. To those that were questioning where the insinuation was, you happy now? Ive been around boards long enough that I can smell re-reg wind up merchants a mile off, this one stinks.
    I got married abroad and me and my family had zero understanding of what the priest was saying but catholic masses are all repeats and no one had a problem with it. I was also at a wedding of a family member in Roscommon where the priest is from Africa ( no idea specifically where) and does mass in a really think accent. He also did a relatives funeral. I have no idea what he said but everyone local says hes a lovely fella and everyone seem to just accept him, and we are talking proper Roscommon country folk which surprised me as I was expecting some grumbles from the haters but there was none.

    also, sounds like this isn't your parish, in fact, sounds like its neither of your parish?

    Im from the country, fiance has not lived in her "home" parish in over 8 years so we dont have a priest that either of us know well.
    Meathlass wrote: »
    If the wedding ceremony is so important to you and your partner then presumably you have your own priest that you go to every Sunday who can officiate?

    Yes, of course. Whether we go to mass 5 times a week or once a year is irrelevant, if we have trouble understanding the celebrant then thats potentially an issue. Great post by the way, would definitely read again.
    Sherlof3 wrote: »
    Hi there - totally appreciate your concerns and it is a tricky situation - I would agree that sensitively approach it with the parish secretary and then if there's no leeway then have a think about bringing your own priest.

    Good luck!

    Thanks, we have kind of decided what we are going to do.
    fits wrote: »
    Hmm I think its a bit off tbh. If he can say a mass why can't he do a wedding ceremony? They really are all the same so I don't see why it matters so much. I agree it could just as easily be a mumbler. This is sort of the deal with the rcc. You take what you are given. My sister had a lad with severe mental issues and we were terrified he'd go off on one, but we couldn't ask the curate to do it as the pp had the say.

    I work in an international environment and have to consciously moderate my accent and modify my language and would be very upset if at the receiving end of something like this. I'm also very accepting of all the colours of the rainbow where accents are concerned.

    There is no debating that he can say a mass or perform a wedding ceremony. The issue that we are concerned about is that we do not want to have to strain to hear/understand what he is saying.

    You have said that you consciously make an effort to be understood clearly by moderating your language, so its too much to ask that we would want a priest that we can clearly understand?

    Bit of a contradiction imo but thanks for the input.

    :)
    Dolbert wrote: »
    This does strike me as being quite bride/groomzilla-ish, as though the problem is that the priest's accent doesn't 'fit' with the wedding :/ Sorry.

    No need to apologise, its something we are concerned about ie coming across as precious. We just want everything to go as flawlessly as possible, not too much to ask I would have thought.
    You don't get to chose the priest if its not your own parish, and even then its at the parish priests discretion.

    Cheers, we kinda figured as much.
    Personally if I was the secretary I would not entertain someone requesting a different priest because the originally assigned one had the "wrong" accent.

    Wow, great post, would definitely read again, thanks so much for coming.
    I reckon try to attend a couple of masses said by the other priests in the church. Decide on one you'd like. Then ring the secretary raving about how impressed you were with his sermon, and is there any way at all he might be able to do your wedding, as you feel it would make the ceremony so much more special. That way you're not being in any way negative about the original priest.

    I think your concern is perfectly valid, by the way.

    We have been to mass a number of times with one of the priests thats there, we have spoken to him a few times, it was him that we first went to after we got engaged. We got on well with him and liked him but based on what others have said, it may not be an option to specify as there is no real "connection" there.
    cactusgal wrote: »
    I don't really have much more advice to add Op, but I do understand your concern. I'm not Irish and have to modify my accent at times to make myself understood, and I also work in a very international environment, so I'm dealing with different accents all the time.

    But, one of the priests at my parents' church was extremely hard to understand, and mass (the homily) was very hard to follow. He was very fluent, but his pronunciation wasn't great, so although he had a great vocabulary and had perfect grammar, his pronunciation really held him back. I'd not want him to do my wedding mass for that reason, so I understand where you're coming from.

    Thanks for the input. The priest has fluent english and perfect vocabulary, its just that its a very thick accent.
    Interesting reaction. Can I suggest that if you are worried about being offensive, maybe try not to start off in defensive mode.

    Wow, fantastic post, thanks for sharing, would definitely read again.

    Mods, I think we are done here so if you would be so kind as to stick a fork in the thread please.

    We have decided that we are going to attend at least one more mass by the priest and decide after that what to do but the gut feeling is that we are going to stick with him and hope for the best.

    Thanks to those that actually tried to add something to the thread.

    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    lazygal wrote: »
    I do remember two sermons. One was a rant about gay marriage around the time of civil partnerships being introduced and the other was a serious warning about drink driving and people being killed on the roads. Who says romance is dead?!

    Point is you were able to understand them.

    I'm not a member of the church but have heard some lovely sermons at weddings over the years myself. Just because you aren't a fan doesn't mean the OP and their partner wouldn't want to understand what's being said about them on their wedding day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I know its a contradiction but my point was that some non native English speakers are not used to hearing an Irish accent like mine and take time to 'tune in'. The same might work in reverse too for your priest. I spend a lot of time giving lectures and would be disappointed if people didn't hire me because of the accent they are not used to. I honestly don't know how much goes over peoples heads.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Perhaps if you have a relative that was hard of heaing such strong pronunciation would be a problem?

    Maybe a clearer speaker would help in that situation; you could express this concern to the secretary and see what they say.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    I think being able to understand what your Priest is saying is a reasonable request.
    It's a wedding mass, so there's going to be a fair bit of participation from yourselves and others.
    If people can't understand what the priest is saying, then they're going to struggle to know what's going on.

    I can't really give you any practical advice on it, hope it works out for both of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭Wabbit Ears


    I wonder how often the parish secretary has had a variation of this conversation. I'd imagine a fair number of brides and grooms have 'had a quiet word' due to their drawing of the short straw. Wonder how many different versions of the reasoning why this priest isn't right for them has she heard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    I wonder how often the parish secretary has had a variation of this conversation. I'd imagine a fair number of brides and grooms have 'had a quiet word' due to their drawing of the short straw. Wonder how many different versions of the reasoning why this priest isn't right for them has she heard.

    We've wondered that ourselves tbh. I genuinely feel bad for thinking about asking for a change but like I said in a previous post, we want it to go as smoothly as possible and we do want to be fully able to understand what he is saying.

    Can you imagine if either of us had to ask him to repeat something that we didn't catch or couldn't make out?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭username000


    We've wondered that ourselves tbh. I genuinely feel bad for thinking about asking for a change but like I said in a previous post, we want it to go as smoothly as possible and we do want to be fully able to understand what he is saying.

    Can you imagine if either of us had to ask him to repeat something that we didn't catch or couldn't make out?

    I'm sure if your attitude IRL is as reasonable as it is on this thread you will have no problem explaining that you don't want the foreign priest.

    Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Not really true. Priests often give sermons they write themselves at weddings. You can't follow that along in a booklet.

    The ceremony is long enough without a sermon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    I'm sure if your attitude IRL is as reasonable as it is on this thread you will have no problem explaining that you don't want the foreign priest.

    Best of luck!

    10/10.

    Would definitely read again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    The ceremony is long enough without a sermon.

    Actually it's probably a homily I mean rather than a sermon.

    Is that the right term?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Actually it's probably a homily I mean rather than a sermon.

    Is that the right term?
    If you're talking about the bit in the middle, after the gospel, where the priest "freestyles" then that's the homily.
    Sermon can be used to describe the above as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭marialouise


    If you're talking about the bit in the middle, after the gospel, where the priest "freestyles" then that's the homily.
    Sermon can be used to describe the above as well.

    Freestyles!!!! Haha ❤️


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 17,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Toots


    Pretty sure the OP came on here asking for advice, not to be antagonised and called a racist.

    username000 I see that you are new to the site. I recommend that you have a good read through the Charter for this forum, and make sure that any future posts you make here are in keeping with the rules. A few of our more seasoned posters would do well to have a re-read of it also.

    Just to be clear, anyone who continues to post in an unhelpful, antagonistic manner will be infracted.

    Business Cat, if you want me to close the thread just let me know - drop me a PM or report this post, and I'll close it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    Clearly the Church feels he is capable of saying mass and officiating at Catholic ceremonies.

    I don't think the OP at all questioned his ability to say mass or officiate ceremonies.
    What exactly would you feel you didnt understand on the day - you will have a mass booklet so everything that is a part of the ceremony will be written down in that. And if he says a few words about you, it will be words that you have provided so it isnt like he will be talking about new aspects of your relationship or personalities!

    Having been to plenty of Catholic weddings, most ceremonies do have the priest talking about marriage or the couple without written instruction or having it written down in the booklet. These parts are the most personal parts of the ceremony, the rest being quite similar between different weddings (IMO). Therefore it make sense that one would want to understand the most unique aspect of their Catholic ceremony.

    You could just as easily be assigned an Irish priest who is old and mumbly or someone who is a native english speaker but who has a thick accent like Glaswegian or something.

    That is true, and the OP, could just as well say he'd like someone else to officiate because he'd feel no one among his guests would be able to understand.

    OP never said his issue is with the type of accent per se, but rather not being able to understand the priest because of the accent.
    I think the OP has a right to want to understand his ceremony, and I can see why he'd want advise on how to approach it, since someone could mistake it for prejudice, as others seem to have done on this thread. I think the recommendation to attend mass by the other priests and then to rave about the one they'd like to the secretary, is an easier way to approach it :p ...in any case, I'd tread carefully for fear of hurting the priest's feelings.


    PS:
    I think you are entitled to not have to struggle to understand 90 mins of your own wedding

    Is it just me or are weddings usually under 1 hour? The ones over that time stand out as being too long IMO...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭username000


    Just to clarify, I did not call the OP a racist. I simply pointed out, AFTER the OP himself had pointed out that he didnt want to come across as "bein feckin racist" (post #4), that the attitude about the accent could come off as racist at worst. The OP himself that this was something that concerned him - are we not allowed to address raised concerns, and say that yes, this could be how it will come across? Or is it only the OP who is allowed to say that this is how it might be seen but not other posters?

    Given the OPs attitude with many replies to posts that dont agree with his viewpoint being so rude "10/10 Would read again" etc... it appears that the OP is not interested in a different viewpoint. He asked in the original post if by asking for a change of priest were they being arseholes? Are the only acceptable posts the ones that say he isnt being an arsehole? Im not really sure what the point of the thread is then.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 17,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Toots


    username000, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however users need to express it without being argumentative or antagonistic, or just downright rude.
    Keep It Civil
    It's nice to be nice, in fact, we insist on it. Getting married and wedding planning can be a very stressful time. Let's keep tempers in check and keep the tone supportive and friendly. Do not Troll, Flame or attack other posters. Everyone has differing opinions on what they like and don't like (especially when it comes to gifts) and that's great, but posting in a confrontational, argumentative way is not on, and will earn a warning/infraction, or even a ban.

    Also please take note of this bit, which is also a Boards sitewide rule.
    Do not drag the thread off topic by arguing with the moderators, not only is it unhelpful to other users, it will probably result in you receiving another Warning/Infraction/Ban.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 17,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Toots


    Seeing as the OP has gotten the info he needs from the thread, I'm locking it.


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