Cork GAA Discussion Thread

TTM 1 - I think that we can reasonably contend that Cork were missing 7 players - Shields, Galvin, Tomas Clancy, Donncha O Connor, Paddy Kelly, Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan (not fit enough to start) - 5 of those are AI winners. You could argue that Deane should be included as he might have got the nod ahead of Maguire. So call it 8.

Dublin were missing 9 players that started v Donegal - Cluxo, McMahon, McCarthy, MDMcA, O Sullivan, O Flynn, Connolly & 2 Brogans - Fitzsimmons was on the bench yesterday.

Dublin used yesterday's squad for 5 competitive OB Cup games including a good extra time final win v Kildare.

Cork had little from the McGrath cup with very few of yesterdays team getting game time.
Dublin are super fit but so are Cork now too (credit Pat Flanagan) - IMO Dublin were better prepared and sharper as u'd expect after 5 games - this showed in the first half but once Cork cleared the ring rustiness by HT - they were the better outfit and totally dominate the last quarter.

Cuthbert has got a lot of deserved criticism and one swallow etc but praise the bridge as u cross it - It was a good performance by players and management. I agree with your summary but I don't go with the biew of some that it was an experimental Dublin side v an experienced Cork side.

Froggyno11 wrote: »

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Don’t think I have left anyone out maybe one or two 17s if Manley and McCarthy were to return from the round ball they would be there also.
One of the strongest panels of minors in years should make Croker. Limerick have never beaten Cork at this age as far as I know, Tipp beat them in Forristal, 15 final and 16 semi-final with only a puck of a ball in all games, Kilkenny also strong at this age, What do you think TTM??

What McCarthy has been lost to the "round ball"? Adam O' Donovan of the Glen gone to Cobh Ramblers?
I thought Limerick were going to be seriously strong but the shafting of Jerry Wallace will set them well back.

willietherock wrote: »

What McCarthy has been lost to the "round ball"? Adam O' Donovan of the Glen gone to Cobh Ramblers?
I thought Limerick were going to be seriously strong but the shafting of Jerry Wallace will set them well back.

Adam is soccer yeah and highly talented north cork football lad could be lost soccer as has overseas interest



Wallis knew limerick inside out and cork same huge bonus against cork in knew our strength and weakness


Shoe on other foot now as imo he's club man involved cork minors I'd they need advice limerick strength etc cork with Wallis can get advice

Cork have players and panel as proven by schools and better management imo than limerick


Also last year huge to cork just loose narrow defeat
I don't do moral victory but cork had two major injuries thar night played club Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday and Monday unlike limerick over cork senior waterford replay yet they still managed push limerick all way in defeat
In limerick


This year they won't have club commitment so soon hopefully, huge success at school so far and belive that every odds against them last year they pushed limerick close and imo that huge confidence this year as limerick are at home ist up and limerick aren't as strong with exceptional Morrissey lynches Lyons gillane Cosgrove etc all overage so imo they will win in cork


Tipp favourite to bear waterford but imo waterford are due win v limerick and could beat them in a play off
I have no fear cork going limerick and winning if needs be though twice

Andy walsh sticking his hand up for selection,

haugney will prob end up on the panel aswell for summer,

lawton not up to it, as said before,

kelleher big lad,could do damage as impact sub,

Canyon86 wrote: »

Andy walsh sticking his hand up for selection,

haugney will prob end up on the panel aswell for summer,

lawton not up to it, as said before,

kelleher big lad,could do damage as impact sub,

Good piece by John horgan in echo tonight but I was amused when came lawton usual stuff hard working
He always get that view despite poor game
Lawton cian Mccarthy if make panel means cork learned nothing from last year


I'm hearing if true walsh made it

willietherock wrote: »

What McCarthy has been lost to the "round ball"? Adam O' Donovan of the Glen gone to Cobh Ramblers?
I thought Limerick were going to be seriously strong but the shafting of Jerry Wallace will set them well back.

Jerry was always leaving the minor coaches job for Middleton, it was the underage academy director job they 'relieved' him of his duties...it will be fairly close I would think between limerick and cork, limerick would have that bit of experience from last year but cork would have greater talent as a whole IMO, looking forward to seeing what daly brings to the party...how many of the cork team from last year are still there?

Froggyno11 wrote: »

1. Dalton (FON)
2. Murphy (Sars)/ Cahalane (Bars)
3. Cahill (Cloyne)/Griffin (Carrigaline)
4. Smyth (Midleton)
5. Hennessey ( Bars)/O’Keeffe (Nap)
6. O’Leary (Valley Rvs)
7. D O’Brien (Killeagh/Its’a)/Walsh (Bride Rvs)
8. Kingston ( Douglas)
9. Lowney (Clon)
10. M Coleman (Blarney)
11. O’Mahony (Newtown)
12. Flynn (Erins Own)/Cormack (Rockies)
13. Gunning (Nap)/ Fitzgibbon (Charleville)
14. O’Halloran (Rockies)
15. Looney (Aghada)

1. Kenneally could yet play in goals with Dalton a serious option in the forward line. This was done at the U15 tournament a few years ago and worked well but Dalton is twice as good outfield now as he was back then.

2. Murphy played well last year at the edge of the square for Sars in minor championship, Cahalane, strong and fast like his brother lack of hurling all year around at a high level and football may be a problem.

3. If Cahill is gone Griffin will probably play full back, might be tempted to play Cashman there but imo when the ground is hard he will be caught for a turn of pace at this level.

4. Smyth steady, strong can be used as a man marker on Hennessey/Nolan Tipp if we get to play them.

5. Hennessey does all the simple things right. Walsh played senior with his club last year was not involved not sure if he is back in the running.

6. O’Leary rock solid centre back, commands the centre, if in trouble with a very fast cf could be switched with Lowney.

7. O’Brien has improved in the last six months Harty run has stood to him should nail down a wing back spot. O’Keeffe has gone back a bit not very dominating for AG but still worth a shout.

8. Kingston could play anywhere from 5 to 15, Midfield has been a slight problem with this age group should do a good job allowing to ghost forward when in attack.
9. Lowney only problem is he will be a dual and coming from Clon football will take priority but as good a hurler at this age as you will see.

10. Coleman lighting fast with plenty of skill, may be unheard of but should be in contention, can also play midfield with a swap with Kingston.

11. O’Mahony seems to be playing well, always scores and has a good hand.

12. Flynn going well in training I hear, plenty of pace and can take a score from anywhere inside 60 yards. Cormack opted out of development squads the last few years I think, big strong ball winner, well capable of taking a score, pace may be a problem when the ground drys up will be interesting to see his displays with Roco in the coming weeks.

13. Gunning pick of the 17s, has the potential to be a super corner forward, should make the step up. Fitzgibbon similar player to Gunning could very well be a toss-up between them, made a difference when introduced in county final last year, very accurate free taker within 60 yards.

14. Halloran could be played at 10, with Cormack at 11 and Mahony at his best position at 14, very good player will be to the fore with Christians in there bit for glory , also a talented out half could lose him to rugby in the long run.

15. Looney a surprise selection for some with last year’s minor panel but this lad has every skill in the book, plenty of pace if he becomes more direct when advancing on goal can be a serious threat.

Cashman could be used to upset a forward, with O’Leary from Castlelyons and Harrington who played all championship games for O’Neill last year also an option.
English good player will be there abouts but needs to insert more intensity into performances, watched O’Sullivan on Saturday for the second time was excellent will be in with a shout.
Don’t count out Billy Dunne has super potential seems to be hard to get it out but don’t be surprised if he wears no 14 in the first game. Also Beasung 17 (Russell Rvs) and Howard (Dromtarriff) could feature.
Don’t think I have left anyone out maybe one or two 17s if Manley and McCarthy were to return from the round ball they would be there also.
One of the strongest panels of minors in years should make Croker. Limerick have never beaten Cork at this age as far as I know, Tipp beat them in Forristal, 15 final and 16 semi-final with only a puck of a ball in all games, Kilkenny also strong at this age, What do you think TTM??

Brendan Mccarthy I forget if he's available has start midfield terrific player captain dean Ryan cup winning midleton team last year

It makes sense wrote: »

Cork senior hurling in a good place at the moment although full back remains my prime concern think Joyce should start there I know you think Cahalane but IMO I think Joyce as he would hold his position better, not saying Cahalane is not a good choice as they are the only two at the moment in that position who could do the job.

Rest of team has plenty of options I would leave Hoggie out first few league matches hope he then comes back firing plenty of others who are good free takers.

As for Rochestown I said they would win semi final and see no reason they cannot beat Thurles in the final. At present bar injuries they tick all the boxes, teamwork, hurling to burn, good attitude and good trainers with good tactics. I would hope for a 5/6 point win.

I'd agree and see your point with Joyce


But as pointed out I'm paper tonight Cahalane done good job on outstanding Dowling as good as you expect he scored nothing

Soon went to half back he cleaned Joyce on one ball peach point

Joyce would be terrific options also but so far Cahalane has handles conlon cunningham and Dowling and passed
Next up kilkenny full forward
Cronin if starts for Dublin there be another good test

Gary Neville wrote: »

TTM - I certainly don't think our management is fine after 1 league win. After the shambles last season, Cuthbert has a lot of convincing to do.

However, I don't think that Dublin were really missing more than us. Also they had far more game time.

It's impossible to say whether our coaching is up to scratch - we'll see.

I don't know if we can replace KOH - we do know that Ken is very poor on kick outs - he was brutal v Tipp last year but he is top quality in every other way. I think we will be at a huge disadvantage unless we can go long. Mayo showed how to deal with the short option by high pressing.

For me, Flanagan and Kate Kirby are top appointments and this has to help.

Kate kirby is but let's keep it I'm perspective
She outstanding sport physiological and is there since October but thar alone won't help cork

Remember before under counohhan cork has excellent Kevin Clancy who worked with kate and I belive recommend kate to cork


Clancy done great with cork but still didn't make up cork lack tactically nous since and that not Clancy fault


Cuthbhert adding kirby imo is something I'd expect and certainly not something new as cork hurling had one years ago in flannery under o grady


Kirby worked closely annalise Murphy sailor who unlucky in Olympic and is from cork and also worked with Ireland hockey and pentathlon team and course few Ireland golfers


She is brilliant but that's not anything get carried away in cuthbhert still man management and doing coaching it seems so jury is still out


You still don't get it Gary
Bar galvin and shields who would of added cork set up Sunday better what's available
Remember o rourke should started but injury forces doc out and o rourke in
If doc was fit he and o rourke imo should start but they wouldn't have as colm is favourite

Again McCauley brogan flynn Brennan added Dublin hugely
Who would added to cork
Kelly yes but no more so than Collins
Goulding no more than hurley
Clancy no more than dorman

Remember cork forward only got six play but Dublin poorer front six got twelve from play

Mehapoy wrote: »

Thanks for that! Wasn't in the country last year so didn't see cork game, only result...

No problem you very welcome

Froggyno11 wrote: »

Yes I left McCarthy out as he is not in favour with current team management I would have him on the panel as he can play in the full forward line also, Barry (Charleville) Broderick (Fon) nd O'Brien (Douglas) all just falling short.
The main job for Wallis in Lim was in his office in UL the involvement with the minors would of being a pass time for him, he made huge improvements in the underage/development squads in Lim, all Daly has to do is follow what Wallis left behind, this comes with the question why not give Wallis a similiar role in Cork??

That's not entirely correct


I agree regards the players
Wallis didn't just sit pretty in he's ul office chewing bananas and drinking coffee
He was every evening training minors on Wednesday Monday or Thursday and was field training
Ask limerick people he was there

He every Saturday without fail was there from ten to one over seeing academic training and nor jusr pen and paper but actually coaching field drill with various teams

He summer many evening did not finish til after ten yet drive back midleton


On Saturday before played cork was with group full day in morning training session match a v b in secret location

Then group went paint balling
He declined as was with under age team
Then he was doing recovery afternoon session with them that day
He then with other selector travelled to portlaoidae I think watch kilkenny play minor hurling there evening

It's not as easy replace him in jusr walk in to office and take he's seat etc
This is not Mcdonald where you follow protocol etc
This is an elite academic structure that will need field training also

He also over saw nutrition side and development academic introduction hurling and coached the coaches
Daly would been terrific manager with coach beside him
Daly has nothing do under age coaching in Dublin
A brilliant manager though

Niall moran would been or declan Fitzgerald brilliant coaches limerick minors

Wallis was asked before but declined as committee to limerick
I would not be suprised if he was involved in a school or cork team I'm the future

He made peter Dowling captain mideton this year a terrific move as kilkenny player terrific leader

zetecescort wrote: »

Is Shane O'Neill due back for the league? is he injured or just taking a break for the Waterford Crystal games?

He'll likely be back mid league or after I think
No worries there he's not gone anywhere

Boom__Boom wrote: »

From last year's panel Dublin were missing the following yesterday.

Alan Brogan
Bernard Brogan
Cian O'Sullivan
Ciaran Reddin
Darragh Nelson
Declan O'Mahony
Diarmuid Connolly
Emmet O'Conghaile
Ger Brennan
James McCarthy
Kevin Nolan
Michael Darragh MacAuley
Niall McGovern
Nicky Devereux
Paddy Andrews
Paul Flynn
Paul Mannion

Some of those would only be competing for squad places but there's a serious amount of heavy hitters who Dublin didnt have yesterday.

Thank you for that

Gary just look at that and you will see my point

I'm geuinely nor trying pick holes in cork but I absolutely despise false dawn and reality must over come emotions yesterday and reality is cork had eleven starters from mayo

Connaifhlw didn't even start and he's young talent


Boom what your view on cork from kerry side so far

How as kerry man would you rate George durrant also please

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Two poi are two points at end of day but like you sean I'm still be convinced

Once bitten twice shy
Last year should be a wake up call to all

Where would you play cadogan


Sean what you make richestown weekend??
Do you think cork minor hurling finally on upward curve

Brilliant - for me the greatest thing about his display was his kicking which definitely has improved.......playing 1 sport helps!!!! great point near the ned and fair play to tomas o se for spotting it on the sunday programme - he is a FULL BACK and full back only TTM. We have plenty of quality half backs, don't need him out there.
Roco, don't know much about them but at end of day some classy hurlers and if they beat ard scoil a school who head hunt hurlers in limerick they are well worth a punt. As for cork minor hurling I respect your opinion on the manager, however until I see a cork minor team lift silver ware and lord help us hurl in croke park I will wait.
Sorry ttm, if your talking about the corn ui mhuiri I think they have a great chance if everyone is fit.

Busy weekend of GAA and only got a chance to sit at my laptop now!


First of all, It was a magnificent win for Rochestown in the Harty Cup semi final.
IMO they were the way better team throughout. Ard Scoil Ris were dependant on Ronan Lynch and Peter Casey for scores. I thought the Rochestown defence there very solid to be fair with David Griffin and John Cashman to the fore. I thought John O'Sullivan, Blackrock midfield was excellent, nearly my Man of the match. He swept up so much ball and continuously hit in great ball after great ball into the forwards and also got two points himself. Is he involved with Cork minors? Then I thought Shane Kingston showed great leadership in the half forward line. Worked hard throughout, was dangerous and scored 1-3. The full forward line were nippy and quick including Liam O'Sullivan and Sean Power full forward who has a great touch and turn and scored 2 goals and maybe even more. Overall a great win for Rochestown College. Great win for the school and indeed Cork GAA! I think they can beat Thurles in the final and go all the way!

Then to the Waterford Crystal Hurling Final. Limerick were the better team throughout this game. They played the game at a higher intensity. Limerick looking strong and fit this year. Saying that, they had a stronger team out than us. Cian Lynch is looking like the real deal for Limerick. Such a classy player. Could even start for them this year. Gavin O'Mahony seems to like his role at Centre Forward. Their backs didn't give much away. 3-20 from play says a lot about the forwards too. For Cork from what I have seen, Andy Walsh has improved immensely with every game and is a workhorse throughout and I have noticed his decision making is slowly improving too. Definitely worth a look for the league. Collins was shaky in goals, got caught for one goal and nearly a second. Full back line were okay. O'Donoghue probably not up to it at the moment. Half back line were in trouble for a lot of the game. Mark Ellis and Christopher Joyce made a big difference when they came on both physically and in experience. Lorcan not a centre back. O'Sullivan is a bit light and O'Connor not fit enough but good hurlers to be fair. Cian McCarthy played very well to be fair to the man. If we can get consistency from him he would be an addition to panel. Hopefully he can stand Championship pace come the summer as he is well able to win ball and take a score. Full forward line were poor. Horgan and Harnedy made a difference when they came on. Both are looking strong. A lot to work on but early days yet, with the League next to look forward to.

Then the Cork Footballers v Dublin in the League. A great win, a much needed win. There was a good atmosphere in Pairc Ui Rinn with a good Dubs crowd down. Dublin were a really fit young side with Dean Rock and Kevin McMenaman causing havoc and at times Cork looked under a bit of pressure but in fairness in key periods they drove on and pulled out a win. Ken O'Hallaron was solid out. Cadogan was our fittest player, driving out with the ball all the time, tough on the tackle and got an important point. Really impressed with Conor Dorman. Scored 1-2, worked hard all day. Ian Maguire tried hard all day to be fair but seemed to be caught for fitness in the second half but can be worked on and is an option for midfield. Kerrigan made a difference when he came on. Looked nice and fit and showed massive pace in times we needed those attacking runs. Mark Collins and the two O'Driscolls likewise, playing defensively and trying hard all the time. Brian Hurley made a lot of good runs for the ball. Scored nice points. If he get more ball into him, he has the potential to damage defences. Colm O'Neill was classy out. Scored a lovely point in the first half, set up the goal too. His free-taking was top quality with a lovely style and proved very important for us. Overall it is nice to see us beat the Dubs and and get a good start to the league. Hopefully we can drive on now and begin the start of a very positive year for Cork Football in both the League and the Championship!