Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Tactically they are looking at being defensive but adopting the best of the Donegal system i.e. breaking at pace when the ball is won. With players/athletes like dorman, Clancy, bodriscoll,cadogan around the half back line added to the class of Collins and orourke this system should suit cork down to the ground. However it needs a playmaker/quarter back type player around the middle like donncha (at this stage will he last 70 minutes?).
However the full back line is a huge issue with ONE caveat - cadogan seemed to go strsaight to full back? and obviously noel galvin when fit will slot inthere, its the other corner position and again I think when shields is back will do fine, but we have NO cover.
Have to also addd why is cussen on the bench and lauded by management who then refuse to bring him on even do we are getting beaten in midfield??
Have we turned a corner - NO too early to say that, however credit to all for the levels of energy & fitness impressive.
If ohallorhan has a longer kick he needs to change things up and use it, when paddy Kelly and mark Collins are playing in the half forward line they are obvious kickout targets away from the centre of the field.
Our strongest area is our half back line - we have some superb potential wing backs with power, pace and football, our inside line once fed QUICKLY is lethal but our midfield is not at the races and its difficult to see a solution with the players available - Maguire is a fine player and does a huge amount of work, fintan is not a midfielder at this level.

I'd agree with that

What's best option for midfield you think now as imo we have left ourselves limited options

CORKDOUBLE

Very happy to win its always a good feeling ! but nobody should get carried away ....no doubt its a tough leauge so to start with these two points is very good .....i must confess but i heard Cuthbert on redfm and i think it was maybe his best interview yet ! Mark Collins my MOTM also gave a very good interview going on about that himself and others must now show leadership ....While i think John O Rourke is sheer class and was today i must say that Colm O Driscoll worked hard today gave his all for a small man hit hard as well the kind of thankless work for the team ...something like the performance that gave him motm in the 2009 All-Ireland u21 final...

sean mac

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree with that

What's best option for midfield you think now as imo we have left ourselves limited options

Quite simply TTM, its ian Maguire and a.n other for me at this stage. Playing monaghan away next weekend against the very shrewd malachy o rourke. They will have 2 very big physical aggressive midfielders, so with what we have I think he has to go with fintan again. Further down the line I would have hope a recuperated ruairi deane with his work and aggression could prove a good foil to Maguire. Add in a half forward line of Kelly/Collins/orourke to win ball and use it intelligently and this area could improve for cork big time. Having paddy Kelly centre forward would help as a further kick out option.
Management themselves only see fintan as a stop gap at midfield as witnessed by their dropping of him after the Kerry game. And of course forgot sean kiely, however I would see him at this young stage of his career of having a huge impact off the bench with 20 minutes to go, his pace, power and energy would be well suited to croke park.
There are options if somewhat limited but management need to arrange a system to get the best out of it.

wackokid

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'd agree that Donal Og was only average today but I think he might make the grade, in time.

I agree that Hayes brings something as a last quarter sub - good vision and will take a score.

We are obviously badly caught for corner backs - Galvin is probably an option - we may have to use BOD there. Jamie was OK. It's not Cuthbert's fault - the lads are not there.

Loughrey is a problem - great ahtlete but poor vision - modern game requires wing backs to be able to link play.

Ken O Halloran is a very good shot stopper and is hard to beat but we won't beat a top side unless we can mix kick-outs - long and short - he can't kick long with the required accuracy and our MF'ers need an edge - by placing the ball to where they run. Bastick outfielded them with ease today. KOH is a luxury we can't afford IMO.

A vital win today and maybe we can win our 2 other home games and sneak an away win (Tyrone are our best chance) 4 wins might give a semi slot.

Thanks Garry. I was beginning to wonder if my football brain was gone soggy as TTM has a bit of a soft spot, or is it hard spot for the Ross man, and continues to call him school yard names. Pity, as TTM seems like a decent skin otherwise.
I haven't had a chance to look at the game again ( yet ) but I liked Cadogan's sortes upfield and his leadership is required if we are to progress.
Mark needs to speed up his actions but apart from that he's one cool dude and will get better when the swallows come.
I think we will beat Tyrone and Derry but not Monaghan who were very impressive last night and are a good league team.
Kerry will be beatable too if we keep this defensive system in place and hockey into them like Mayo did today.
All in all, a good day at the races.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

Thanks Garry. I was beginning to wonder if my football brain was gone soggy as TTM has a bit of a soft spot, or is it hard spot for the Ross man, and continues to call him school yard names. Pity, as TTM seems like a decent skin otherwise.
I haven't had a chance to look at the game again ( yet ) but I liked Cadogan's sortes upfield and his leadership is required if we are to progress.
Mark needs to speed up his actions but apart from that he's one cool dude and will get better when the swallows come.
I think we will beat Tyrone and Derry but not Monaghan who were very impressive last night and are a good league team.
Kerry will be beatable too if we keep this defensive system in place and hockey into them like Mayo did today.
All in all, a good day at the races.

Fair point wackokid but look I was trying be sacrestic and surely you wouldn't begrudge me that seen as you do it you self, I thought you like my new found witt


Holloywood Hayes wasn't a slur more imo he'd fine fancy tricks and flashy scores but he won't perform big games

I said before he would make a terrific coach and hope he goes in ti that

We'll agree disagree on Hayes

I agree with your other points

Kerry today would not take ounce of reality from it always going loose that no interest ist game

Games threw four you see reality of kerry

Derry won't be easy or Tyrone of need win back to the wall

Monaghan good test last week

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Quite simply TTM, its ian Maguire and a.n other for me at this stage. Playing monaghan away next weekend against the very shrewd malachy o rourke. They will have 2 very big physical aggressive midfielders, so with what we have I think he has to go with fintan again. Further down the line I would have hope a recuperated ruairi deane with his work and aggression could prove a good foil to Maguire. Add in a half forward line of Kelly/Collins/orourke to win ball and use it intelligently and this area could improve for cork big time. Having paddy Kelly centre forward would help as a further kick out option.
Management themselves only see fintan as a stop gap at midfield as witnessed by their dropping of him after the Kerry game. And of course forgot sean kiely, however I would see him at this young stage of his career of having a huge impact off the bench with 20 minutes to go, his pace, power and energy would be well suited to croke park.
There are options if somewhat limited but management need to arrange a system to get the best out of it.

I'd agree bit seems that Kiely isn't on the panel judging by thirty last week

Terrific player but need coaching in decision making and kicking as Austin stacks game showed


Cussen scenario I agree why on panel if can't be used
Cork have huge worries here

I watched game again moment there cork were hanging on for dear life and it remains be seen how we react if team gets run four or five points on us

denishurley

Stephen Cronin and Kiely were both subs today

homeofhurling

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Sunshine practice what you preach please before your kind enough to pass judgement I'n future

Thanks
You change views games on games fair play you belive In that
I like have a constant view
Long way go before we say cork turned a corner

as i said it looks like the waterford result was the kick up the arse cork need and todays result prove it, because i'd say waterford wouldn't be 10 points near that Dublin team today

thinkstoomuch1

denishurley wrote: »

Stephen Cronin and Kiely were both subs today

Thanks Denis weren't named twenty six originally though

We're they late call up?

Are cork carry league panel 32 or so and are Desmond Hodnett and mac eoin dropped of it please,,,,????

thinkstoomuch1

Good news is cronin was called up

Down side imo is why wasn't he used when Sullivan went off?
Natural corner back placement and why was three position changes to solve one problem imo


Also loughrey was in trouble on mcnameon but he left on him
Cronin should be used and loughrey put outfield



Imo o rourke would been better at midfield than Collins
Collins had terrific game but is centre forward quatre back imo

thinkstoomuch1

Where is harty cup final Denis please?

What's the all Ireland series draw for this format?

Is it open draw that the loosing finalist play ulster and Galway and I presume finalist can't meet again each other til the final?? Or how does it work please

thinkstoomuch1

Two good performance today by ephie Fitzgerald some win for clare

Tipp apparently hard done by in armagh against the much lauded mcgeeney armagh and lost by a point
Creedon doing good job there

denishurley

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Thanks Denis weren't named twenty six originally though

We're they late call up?

Are cork carry league panel 32 or so and are Desmond Hodnett and mac eoin dropped of it please,,,,????

They were added instead of Tomás Clancy and Donncha O'Connor. I don't think an official league panel has been announced.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Where is harty cup final Denis please?

What's the all Ireland series draw for this format?

Is it open draw that the loosing finalist play ulster and Galway and I presume finalist can't meet again each other til the final?? Or how does it work please

Cashel or Cahir is what I'm hearing, likely to clash with Sigerson Cup final. I'll check All-Ireland draw

commonsense.

Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.

windy shepard henderson

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Two good performance today by ephie Fitzgerald some win for clare

Tipp apparently hard done by in armagh against the much lauded mcgeeney armagh and lost by a point
Creedon doing good job there

i cant put it in to words how bad wexford were today and lenister football in general is so bad its laughable at the moment for example out of the 11 counties from that province 9 lost the only winner's this weekend??? offaly beat london by a whoping 4 points in division 4 while westhmeath beat fellow leinster men laois .....who nither are great shakes to be fair in division 2 all other 9 counties lost , munster is very strong in both codes at the moment not much between cork and tipp at the moment i also think tipp could worry kerry big time come championship , they will go close in the next few years for division 1 status they have a great forward line

thinkstoomuch1

commonsense. wrote: »

Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.

Look when you add insight to debate cork football you will be taken seriously
One swallow never made a summer
If you had parftipate in debate past when results were poor you view would have more value
Imo your more interest in critise view many fans here regards football who after shambles killarney and Dublin had every right to question things
Today was great two points but don't think the winter has ended just cause you get one bright ray sunshine
Could easily rain next week



You don't speak for forum and you with respect just in short time so you'll have earn bit mileage before you suggest divide forum imo



Cork gaa thread hurling and football

No divide necessary and such divide of threads would be insult cork gaa as cork gaa isn't bout hurling but all matters


You admit your not football fan yet one win you disregard others views that were valid
One win against under strength team have you learned anything from past year???

Have a bit common sense just one game yet you regards talk as monense

Key issues still haven't been solved team

I'll tell you what utter nonsense though some wise man telling all ans sundry that wealthy limerick man gave forty thousands each to three limerick schools for support yer when numerous posters agrees what was a load of bull thar wise man didn't back thread

Forum is cork gaa thar means women ladies football camoige hurling and football

You want to label yourself as hurling man only your choice don't expect many long term posters long before your time do same who seem happy forum way it is


This is cork gaa thread no other forums like Dublin or Galway do it no need to do same

Setting up divide is not good imo

I'f football and hurling had two separate boards fighting own corners maybe but not way it is


Christ football is already fighting poor relation with dual status last year and football always second best at least get good coverage here
I for one have no interest skipping between cork football and hurling threads

If majority here want that fair enough
That happens imo sad for cork gaa here as football thread will get barely a following and if that happens it saddens me to say I'll retire my posting on this thread and gaa forum and I think geuinely cork thread is great thread as this forum is a great forum


Next that happens people will say cork ladies get separate threads and what you end up with is sparsely population threads where they forgotten bout

Here at least everything is together and nobody is forgotten

Cork gaa was never one commodity but imo has two precious commodity hurling and football both men and women

thinkstoomuch1

denishurley wrote: »

They were added instead of Tomás Clancy and Donncha O'Connor. I don't think an official league panel has been announced.



Cashel or Cahir is what I'm hearing, likely to clash with Sigerson Cup final. I'll check All-Ireland draw

Thanks Denis much appreciated that be awful choose between football in cork and biggest day hurling under age senior cork in few years

thinkstoomuch1

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/ladies/2015/0201/677110-ladies-football/

Brilliant win for them today

Unfortunately milford lost camoige all Ireland semi

thinkstoomuch1

One note of significant I feel tomas o se brilliant judge game today on Sunday sport said cork attacks needed faster ball
We all agree that

Red alert for me was he said cork defensively were good
I think bit yrrra talk and I'd taken it pinch salt

Defence at times was good but still concede twelve points from play and three goal chances two clear ones it was pretty loose imo against a strong but certainly not best Dublin forwards I'd worry

Yes galvin and shield were missing but interest who dropped when they come back

Clancy wasn't a loss imo as not a corner back


Players are in cork squad bar midfield

Kiely ball winner but imo can't start two new players in coal face modern elite championship against moran Buckley etc

Orizio

commonsense. wrote: »

Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.

There is nothing surprising, we had a much stronger team out than Dublin, and it was very much a most win game. We still have the talent of a top three team imo, beating a weak Dublin side at home isn't some kind of miracle.

Remember we had a great league last year.

Gary Neville

commonsense. wrote: »

Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.

Whilst your criticism of the football analysis on here is unfair, IMO - your point suggesting that in light of this good performance, the criticism of Cuthbert may have been OTT, deserves consideration.

Cuthbert presented himself (via a slick power point show) as having the nous to manage Cork and persuaded a selection committee to appoint him in preference to John Cleary (a man with a far more impressive CV)

He failed to implement effective tactics and the players were deeply unhappy with many aspects of his management.

Many feared that morale in the camp was still very low but hoped that the fact that all of last year's panel (bar Walsh, Cahalane, Butcher and Dineen) returned, was evidence that the players were determined to get on with things and hope that Cuthbert would learn.
He has brought in an excellent S & C man and a very highly rated sports psychologist so there are some positive signs.

This was a must win game but Dublin had 1/3 of their c/ship side and we had 2/3 of ours so a 1 pt win was the minimum required.

Cork were very open in the 1st half and wasted a lot of scoring opportunities so there is still cause for concern over the coaching but the 2nd half was much better and the team will travel to Monaghan in a good frame of mind.


It's also to put this win into context - Dublin came to Cork with a reserve team and were pushing hard for a win late on having missed a number of reasonable goal chances - when Cork put out a reserve side against a Div 4 side -Waterford - we lost by a point.

Hurleratheart

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Great news for richestown is good counsel play Kieran the all Ireland champions next week in a semi and one those will be knocked out of the all Ireland series


Carlow and st Peter Wexford other semi


If rochestown win munster likely play Galway team or looses of leinster so seem be winner of carlow team or peters Wexford and It would seem imo there beatable

Obviously thurles if loose are in the back door still

But rochestown imo if win munster huge huge chance to make the all Ireland final

Rochestown won't and shouldn't be lookin past there next game

That the ****e other counties go on. About, on Limk forum it says Ard Scoil had themselves down as a Croke Cup team and where are they now?

Rochestown won't be lookin past Harty final

In fairness TTM your thrown your full support behind Rochestown now, every game they won, your supporting them more and more, you can't be accused otherwise welcome aboard

The thinking here before was they were behind other teams in Cork, but there is some charachter in this team, leaders all over pitch really talented hurlers incredible spirit and workrate and they earned the right to fight for Harty now- only cork team left standing now and fair f**ks to them

aidan lonegan on red FM said they werent respected - well I think they have respect finally and there putting there school on the map

fantastic day yesterday I was worried Rochestown hadn't enough hurling dine with football between games and even tough they started well, some of the shooting was poor and there were a lot of wides- they will have extra few days to sharpen up after next weekend if they avoid injuries

Injuries and strains are part of any squad but the lads are getting litle chance to rest up
2 or 3 of them have niggles and if you lose a player or two your screwed

Roll on 21st Feb and hoping for Harty history for Rochestown. Was talk of Mallow after game for final, or fermoy another good option - don't think Cahir good enough for a Harty Final

Cu Baire

Cu Baire wrote: »

That's a good team to counteract Dublin's strengths.
Should be a very interesting game with Cork to shade it by 2 points.

You heard it here first lads.

N20

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look when you add insight to debate cork football you will be taken seriously
One swallow never made a summer
If you had parftipate in debate past when results were poor you view would have more value
Imo your more interest in critise view many fans here regards football who after shambles killarney and Dublin had every right to question things
Today was great two points but don't think the winter has ended just cause you get one bright ray sunshine
Could easily rain next week



You don't speak for forum and you with respect just in short time so you'll have earn bit mileage before you suggest divide forum imo



Cork gaa thread hurling and football

No divide necessary and such divide of threads would be insult cork gaa as cork gaa isn't bout hurling but all matters


You admit your not football fan yet one win you disregard others views that were valid
One win against under strength team have you learned anything from past year???

Have a bit common sense just one game yet you regards talk as monense

Key issues still haven't been solved team

I'll tell you what utter nonsense though some wise man telling all ans sundry that wealthy limerick man gave forty thousands each to three limerick schools for support yer when numerous posters agrees what was a load of bull thar wise man didn't back thread

Forum is cork gaa thar means women ladies football camoige hurling and football

You want to label yourself as hurling man only your choice don't expect many long term posters long before your time do same who seem happy forum way it is


This is cork gaa thread no other forums like Dublin or Galway do it no need to do same

Setting up divide is not good imo

I'f football and hurling had two separate boards fighting own corners maybe but not way it is


Christ football is already fighting poor relation with dual status last year and football always second best at least get good coverage here
I for one have no interest skipping between cork football and hurling threads

If majority here want that fair enough
That happens imo sad for cork gaa here as football thread will get barely a following and if that happens it saddens me to say I'll retire my posting on this thread and gaa forum and I think geuinely cork thread is great thread as this forum is a great forum


Next that happens people will say cork ladies get separate threads and what you end up with is sparsely population threads where they forgotten bout

Here at least everything is together and nobody is forgotten

Cork gaa was never one commodity but imo has two precious commodity hurling and football both men and women

In the interest of completeness should handball and rounders be included as well ?

Irish Language Music and Dance a consideration also.

N20

commonsense. wrote: »

Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.

😃😃😃

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Rochestown won't and shouldn't be lookin past there next game

That the ****e other counties go on. About, on Limk forum it says Ard Scoil had themselves down as a Croke Cup team and where are they now?

Rochestown won't be lookin past Harty final

In fairness TTM your thrown your full support behind Rochestown now, every game they won, your supporting them more and more, you can't be accused otherwise welcome aboard

The thinking here before was they were behind other teams in Cork, but there is some charachter in this team, leaders all over pitch really talented hurlers incredible spirit and workrate and they earned the right to fight for Harty now- only cork team left standing now and fair f**ks to them

aidan lonegan on red FM said they werent respected - well I think they have respect finally and there putting there school on the map

fantastic day yesterday I was worried Rochestown hadn't enough hurling dine with football between games and even tough they started well, some of the shooting was poor and there were a lot of wides- they will have extra few days to sharpen up after next weekend if they avoid injuries

Injuries and strains are part of any squad but the lads are getting litle chance to rest up
2 or 3 of them have niggles and if you lose a player or two your screwed

Roll on 21st Feb and hoping for Harty history for Rochestown. Was talk of Mallow after game for final, or fermoy another good option - don't think Cahir good enough for a Harty Final

I think any cork school in any competition deserves huge support now
I was always on board with rochestown like any cork school in I support every school as there cork
I would done preview for rochestown in football all Ireland last year and indeed doon harty cup game
To say welcome aboard thanks but I was always on board as you look posts last year you'll find that




Same with mtichewltown charville big games Hamilton etc
If I critize teams it want better from them
Ag for example had more them like mideton also but coaching let them down
Fair point and think you look Midleton on paper and ag definitely equal to richestown big game players but poor coaching let them down


We still have christ ri and course old christian left munster b also and cork team munster c

I must add I wouldn't started cormac cork minor in December as said wasn't scoring enough from play as good as he was but he's now adding goals game imo has start and like I said form will change and players will be picked that imo closer time but if picked team today he's has start

I totally agree let's not become limerick equivalent that's a sad day when cork become pro type them
I wouldn't just my opinion take what they say over there with any great dose reality bar few exceptions as they if you look barely talk about school games or under age til big games or after it and majority jusr focus on senior hurling side but you can't go against views really and truly are there really entrained I'm the Limerick way thinking, see criticism as the enemy rather look valid points within
Some convinced there close to all Ireland but fail to see its not just about passion and pride
I read piece on match paper yesterday reporter said he was suprised and awe at great aggression and passion thry had hurling
He must never seen limerick play before so
Credit due they always bring huge passion and fire and fury and live by theory hit everything moves or of not make it moves
That will never be down fall of them
Tactically evolution will unfortunately be their problems and unfortunately as they have some amazing young talent coming up
Interestingly heard other day daly is being lined up senior job down line that's why brought in minors
Yes tj has threw years contract but like Newcastle eight years with psrdew means nothing
If he's doesn't deliver two years very interesting see what happens
Daly knows clare job Davy as long wants with old man in charge
He wants limerick job apparently
I don't rate him as coach but he'd be like said before terrific manager for limerick





However my view is richestown they have great chance winning harty and all Ireland series is realistic chance get final I'm Kieran or Goold counsel gone this weekend and rest draw is nothing to hugely fear

Avoiding Kieran will be key get final

Not sure how draw works but Denis is going to inform us of it and he's harty cup school's hurling munster and indeed leinster is top top class
I say you must be delighted with young Sullivan display
He'll run minors close you would think

Football is going take toll as we'll only worry

I agree loose player is awful but depends once not key key game changer either

Longeran I said before December even further back I'm huge huge fan of top top top coach

Hurling senior panel being cut tonight for the league
I'd say Andy walsh Killeagh made it

thinkstoomuch1

Cu Baire wrote: »

You heard it here first lads.

Seen as your great tell us you're right sorry bust your bubble but YOU WERE WRONG REGARDS ARD SCOIL V ROCHESTOWN
You said ard scoil win
Just be fair and equal seen as your fast pull others

Cu Baire

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Seen as your great tell us you're right sorry bust your bubble but YOU WERE WRONG REGARDS ARD SCOIL V ROCHESTOWN
You said ard scoil win
Just be fair and equal seen as your fast pull others

Originally Posted by Cu Baire
Quarter finals all went as predicted although Castletroy left it late today.
Rochestown could cause upset in semi but I expect Thurles to win it out.


Yes. I was way off there....

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Whilst your criticism of the football analysis on here is unfair, IMO - your point suggesting that in light of this good performance, the criticism of Cuthbert may have been OTT, deserves consideration.

Cuthbert presented himself (via a slick power point show) as having the nous to manage Cork and persuaded a selection committee to appoint him in preference to John Cleary (a man with a far more impressive CV)

He failed to implement effective tactics and the players were deeply unhappy with many aspects of his management.

Many feared that morale in the camp was still very low but hoped that the fact that all of last year's panel (bar Walsh, Cahalane, Butcher and Dineen) returned, was evidence that the players were determined to get on with things and hope that Cuthbert would learn.
He has brought in an excellent S & C man and a very highly rated sports psychologist so there are some positive signs.

This was a must win game but Dublin had 1/3 of their c/ship side and we had 2/3 of ours so a 1 pt win was the minimum required.

Cork were very open in the 1st half and wasted a lot of scoring opportunities so there is still cause for concern over the coaching but the 2nd half was much better and the team will travel to Monaghan in a good frame of mind.


It's also to put this win into context - Dublin came to Cork with a reserve team and were pushing hard for a win late on having missed a number of reasonable goal chances - when Cork put out a reserve side against a Div 4 side -Waterford - we lost by a point.

Gary you will find there's few usual suspects here just more interested in winding people up than anything else as rarely will they debate points

The critise of cuthbhert be fair now has been fully justified

Your a man United fan you know complete difference with moyles and van gal
United fans didn't wait all day for moyles correctly so

Night mare in kilkenny two heavy defeats mayo Dublin in league, treatment paddy Kelly and course leaving Andrew Sullivan mid summer, the treatment of dinnen

The repeated failure solve midfield every game last year
The attacking of referrs and mayo
The refusals accept blame games
All that was full justified


Once mistake learned and progress made cork should back cuthbhert fully
However let's as Orizio said not get carried away and say all problems sorted

One game in yet still midfield issue and huge tactic worry to solve one problem made three position changes

As for gould turning corner
Against Tyrone last year he was awesome and cuthbert said cork fans too criticism
Yer championship he was average enough

Look at big names Dublin missed yet cork had eleven team v mayo and struggled
Midfield when it solved more so results will for me show progress being made

Long way to go yet and credit due yesterday interview by cuthbhert acknowledged it was under strength Dublin and they were st times lucky huge work be done
That may be sign lessons have been learned
But let's not forget we bear Dublin in croke park last year early on and then collapsed after


Huge concerns regarding playing loughrey at corner back and midfield and cadogan way too attack minded for a six he will be taken for scores against good opponent
You can't have dorman cadogan and driscoll in same unit even in blanket as too attack minded no balance there
Dublin opened us up scoring twelve point play threw goal chances with out key forwards
That's the warning sign
Time will tell if cork heed it
If lessons learned were good place but nothing so far based team selection bar dorman at half not corner shows that

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Cu Baire wrote: »

Originally Posted by Cu Baire
Quarter finals all went as predicted although Castletroy left it late today.
Rochestown could cause upset in semi but I expect Thurles to win it out.


Yes. I was way off there....

You edited what you wanted you said ard scoil to win sorry now