Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 06:29PM

commonsense. wrote: »

Yeah, great win for Roco. Leaders in every line. Mind you ard scoil were a little (a lot??)arrogant in putting ronan lynch in full forward at the start. Obviously thought they would blitz roco with an early flurry of scores. They soon realised the error of their ways and once he moved to midfield he changed the dynamic. Also no brownie points for ard scoil in fluting around with jersey numbers. Giving Peter Casey no 35 and giving his 13 jersey to eoin ryan was designed to throw roco. Silly stuff from niall moran. Better team on the day won, no question. 17 points to 11 might suggest ard scoil were unlucky but roco had 16 wides to ard scoils 8. Margin of victory could have been higher if they had their shooting boots on. Cashman set the tone with an introductory shoulder on ronan lynch as lynch was taking up the full forward position before throw in. Lynch was unsettled as a result(made a half hearted attempt to win the first ball that came between cashman and himself) and was never likely to make any impact on cashman after. Griffin inspirational again and has moved into pole position for cork minors given ian cahills departure. John o sullivan my man of the match. His point when he pick pocketed ronan lynch was sublime. Powter is proving a revelation. Tormented the full back line all day. Funnily enough kingston and cormack were quiet by their standards and yet got the crucial goals that killed off ard scoil. Their work rate when things weren't going their way (best evidenced by cormacks ridiculous turnover for powters first goal) is indicative of the spirit within this group. Thurles' challenge in the final will be how to set themselves up to counter the triple threat of kingston/cormack/powter. Thurles have reached the final by struggling over the line in both quarter and semi finals. Ideal way to be heading into three weeks preperation for the final. Roco will have to be vary wary and will need another huge performance if they are to win.

would agree wit point bad semi final and good final is better than a good semi and bad final and you worry has a team peaked etc

However if you get two sub par performance like thurles and throw I'm draw with west limerick that's three games where they have struggled and yes they drew one and won two but it means problems in team are not being identified by management or else they don't have solution available to fix them and matter time before well coaches team exposes weak areas

Take Castletroy as an example they could said that colman and ag and Youghal results they were playing bad but more to come

When yesterday proved they just ran out of luck and problems that surfaces two previous games were never solved

Imo thurles have same problem and yes it will be a close game but unless richestown don't perform they will loose but imo too well coached with too many big game changers for that to happen

homeofhurling · 01-02-2015 06:32PM

they made you eat your words today thinkstoomuch1 after your post after the McGrath cup defeat, but sure it's 30 years since the Dubs won there Cork have some of the best forwards in the game and thats what will keep them in division 1 if they could get a good midfielder and two good backs they are a match for any team, and in my opinion should have beaten Mayo last year in croke park, they are not that far off.

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 06:33PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Goals are vital in hurling as as predicted Friday the school which got the goals would win. Fair play Rocco on a fab. Performance. There was some real heroic performances from their usual big guns but jez every lad from Rocco really stood up to the plate. It will take a good team to beat them. They have steel and metal to go with great hurling and hurlers.

Do you think they can win harty and series geuine challengers for the croke cup?

Would you bring Sullivan in to the minors for cork and start him?

rebelomar · 01-02-2015 06:34PM

Good win...lots to work on though.

For a start management need to nail down some of our players best positions, particularly in the back 6 positions. We need to let guys play their natural positions and refine the blanket around that.

Couple of small things annoyed me.

1: Hurley an unbelievable talent but his decision making leaves him down, he shoots too often when he's in a poor position instead of giving a simple pass. Hopefully he will improve over time.

2: in the last couple of minutes while two points up we had good secure possession and kicked it away while in complete control of the ball. We need to simply hold onto it if such a situation arises again.

Overall though a decent start. First twenty mins I felt we were poor. Too slow moving the ball outta defense.

Second half this improved. Also we need to cut out fouling in our own 45. This renders the blanket pointless if we give away cheap frees.

Effort and commitment was top class by all. A huge positive

ShamoBuc · 01-02-2015 06:49PM

Delighted with the win. Didn't see it coming. Thought our defence got themselves into trouble at times but a few good saves meant we were not punished. Our forwards need more supply and Dublin were not as good as I thought they would be.
We badly needed this win as I believe we still have an uphill battle regarding relegation. I can't see us getting much from most of our away games, but that's for another day.

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 06:50PM

homeofhurling wrote: »

they made you eat your words today thinkstoomuch1 after your post after the McGrath cup defeat, but sure it's 30 years since the Dubs won there Cork have some of the best forwards in the game and thats what will keep them in division 1 if they could get a good midfielder and two good backs they are a match for any team, and in my opinion should have beaten Mayo last year in croke park, they are not that far off.

Calm down with few deep breath there

They didn't male me eat any words old chap

You do know we bear Dublin last year and still suffered huge defeats I'm championship

Some best forward yes in the game but six points from play show we huge issues at midfield

Now enlighten me have cork solved this? No

Do cork have plan solve this,? No

As Collins seen as midfielder and haven posters here say they don't rate him as midfielder
All we have left on bench is cussen and gould proved not a midfielder

Two best midfielder I'm cork aren't on the panel
We actually have corner backs but there not on panel and defender like loughrey and Clancy played out position

You see unlike you I have logical thinking that like last year was one swallow never made summer and I won't run hare chase with hound on one win against under strength Dublin at home

Waterford game was appalling and I'n fact you I hope will acknowledge I was right as you do realise durrant Hodnett Desmond were no where this level like I said and dropped it seems off the panel

Home advantage and big crowd great see cork today and it helped
Next week up north tough test

Should have could have, don't talk monense
Go to don't foul. Com look at stats or ask any logical fan mayo were much better team v cork and took gas off and then cork had come back but mayo upped intensity and won and deserved to win

Lads like yourself truly amaze me say nothing all year when results are dire yet one win you get excited

Shows attuide served cork football so well down the years

The way you phrase it, cork need two backs and midfield, it not like going to shop and buying loaf of bread and cartoon milk jusr pick it off the shelf

You I'n elite football need to identify these talents and play them and develop them game after game

At moment cork league panel shows cork bar maguire have no midfield options
I suggest go for a cold shower, rewatch match twas on tg four I think

Watch how many clean aerial balls cork won at midfield, very little
Now you identity cork need midfield
But tell me this who picks midfield??

The manager so if midfield isn't solved then it's blame manager
Any cork fan would say midfield on today performance far from fixes
When it is and cork beat kerry or top four team in championship then I'll eat my words
Hope your okay with that

And I did when saw Dublin team say strong but not strongest and they would and did win midfield
I said cork could beat then if changes were made and they were but only at throw in to injury in o rourke who I advocates to start did start abs Sullivan actually went back corner back over Clancy injured
I wouldn't be saying management turned huge corners just yet

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 07:01PM

rebelomar wrote: »

Good win...lots to work on though.

For a start management need to nail down some of our players best positions, particularly in the back 6 positions. We need to let guys play their natural positions and refine the blanket around that.

Couple of small things annoyed me.

1: Hurley an unbelievable talent but his decision making leaves him down, he shoots too often when he's in a poor position instead of giving a simple pass. Hopefully he will improve over time.

2: in the last couple of minutes while two points up we had good secure possession and kicked it away while in complete control of the ball. We need to simply hold onto it if such a situation arises again.

Overall though a decent start. First twenty mins I felt we were poor. Too slow moving the ball outta defense.

Second half this improved. Also we need to cut out fouling in our own 45. This renders the blanket pointless if we give away cheap frees.

Effort and commitment was top class by all. A huge positive

I'd agree with that but hurley can only improve with good coaching

Who is coach?
Cuthbhert so time will tell

The huge worry today was midfield we bypassed it yes but I can guarantee you Dublin and kerry know this going forward and today where didn't foul much if needs be will foul cork high end up ptich to slow down counter attacks if necessary
No McCauley yet won midfield battle and even suprised took off Mccarthy
Midfield has huge problem still
Last year I highlighted this nobody here seem to agree
It's clear as day midfield is huge huge problem
Solved that you give forward possession and take pressure off your backs
No sign thar solving one game in and looking at the bench

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 07:12PM

In one sentence huge worry I have today is teams even without midfield will say all we need is high press upfield beat cork
If cluxton was goals Dublin would went long more so
And flynn would attack cork short kick outs
Dublin while winning midfield battle showed today were transition and imo didn't seem bothered results in they seemed trying out different scenario like short kick outs themselves as a plan b beat donegal kerry blanket down line and trying keep ball rather all out counter so important cork realise this today

sean mac · 01-02-2015 07:40PM

Ttm i agree about midfield however an even bigger issue is ohallorhans kickouts,ge gas no distance and has no confidence going ling,the pressure on tiring backs to win a shirt kickout and turn ut into an attack is too much all the time.Could you imagine what a team like donegal would do to us?1 long kick out in2nd half and he didnt reach 45,criminal at this level. Imo maguire is corks only real midfielder atthis level and thats huge pressure on a young fella.
However great effort from team and good spirit shown,they gad to win and did;flanagan has them in top shape

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 07:44PM

homeofhurling wrote: »

this is a crazy result i know its only january and Mcgrath cup but with corks record over the last few years at under 21 where are all them gone. no disrepect to waterford but i' would bet the kerry under 21's would have got a result today again waterford, but fair play to them i'd say its between them and offaly for division 4 this year. as for cork if this doesn't give the cork county board a wake up call nothing will.

Sunshine practice what you preach please before your kind enough to pass judgement I'n future

Thanks
You change views games on games fair play you belive In that
I like have a constant view
Long way go before we say cork turned a corner

rebelomar · 01-02-2015 07:47PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree with that but hurley can only improve with good coaching

Who is coach?
Cuthbhert so time will tell

The huge worry today was midfield we bypassed it yes but I can guarantee you Dublin and kerry know this going forward and today where didn't foul much if needs be will foul cork high end up ptich to slow down counter attacks if necessary
No McCauley yet won midfield battle and even suprised took off Mccarthy
Midfield has huge problem still
Last year I highlighted this nobody here seem to agree
It's clear as day midfield is huge huge problem
Solved that you give forward possession and take pressure off your backs
No sign thar solving one game in and looking at the bench

Maguire did carry a lot of ball today and I felt did ok. He will in my opinion be a brilliant player in time. Goold kicked a few poor wides which of he got we'd have said he did well.

However in the primary duty of winning possession yes both look a good bit off the top guys at this level.

Imo it's up to management to counter this by coming up with a plan to almost bypass midfield in terms of short kick outs, hitting them on the run like Cluxton does...putting it into space. Whether or not our keeper can do this I'm not sure.

Or is there any guy out there with the potential to improve the midfield we are not seeing at the moment?

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 07:53PM

rebelomar wrote: »

Maguire did carry a lot of ball today and I felt did ok. He will in my opinion be a brilliant player in time. Goold kicked a few poor wides which of he got we'd have said he did well.

However in the primary duty of winning possession yes both look a good bit off the top guys at this level.

Imo it's up to management to counter this by coming up with a plan to almost bypass midfield in terms of short kick outs, hitting them on the run like Cluxton does...putting it into space. Whether or not our keeper can do this I'm not sure.

Or is there any guy out there with the potential to improve the midfield we are not seeing at the moment?

There are three

Dinnen refused join this year after last year

Leary is not rated

Deane is injured but manager doesn't seem rate then either

This short kick out won't work when opponents high press and then choose go long their kick outs
Donegal monaghan high press so cork have concerns

zetecescort · 01-02-2015 08:09PM

good win but look who Dublin had out, 4 or 5 starters come the summer and didn't bring on any big names either while we had 11 or 12 and brought on Kerrigan.

Whats the story with our setup on Dublins kickouts. contested only 2 or 3 in the full game. have any sort of system what you want but giving your opponents uncontested possession in the middle of the pitch every time they restart a game is woeful imo.

leaf123 · 01-02-2015 08:10PM

Great win for Roco yesterday, well deserved .Kingston and Cormack didnt have their best game but were always a threat.John o Sullivan from blackrock was outstanding and the point when he picked pocketed the ASR player along the sideline was simply unreal.he was my motm. Powter was frighting , his pace and unbelievable is amazing ,his was a threat through out and last week he kept Roco in the Corn Ni mhuiri with a last minute block. Eoghan O Brien did ok on Lynch however it is hard to keep such a player quiet.Putting lynch in full forward didnt work and they soon realised it was a terrible decision as roco went 0-6 0-1 up.Overall it is great achievement for roco for getting this far only in their second year playing Harty and i hope they go all the way

wackokid · 01-02-2015 08:12PM

Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol
D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it.
That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play.
Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago.
Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify.
Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 08:29PM

wackokid wrote: »

Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol
D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it.
That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play.
Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago.
Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify.
Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.

Lot good points but seriously wackokid

Holloywood Hayes is bringing nothing to the table
I'm sorry now but christ have you seen him last seven years for cork

FAILURE IN BIG GAME Time again

Look if dancing around the wings with fancy football tricks your idea footballer st elite level it's not mine

Reminds me of those reality TV shows

A new boy band or girl band comes on looks good make noise but can't sing
Yeah faze craze of music get them few months fame but they don't last long

Hayes is footballer equivalent to thar music type

He looks good, talk the talk, he be flashy player but as last year and year before proved kerry don't fear him

Hodnet in fairness just second year on panel and has steel courage dogmatic warrior Hayes never had or simply won't
I apologise wackokid if he's your hero but look if I saw fault with super man my hero I'd call it as it is

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 08:44PM

Monaghan next week after a fine win in Tyrone will be tough good test up their next week
Blanket system with excellent malachi rourke should test cork

Cork have forwards to win but today six points from play won't be enough as referring up their tends let a lot go so won't get much up there
Good managers will judge today and say we played good but another day could lost by seven and we have solve key issues
The poor manager looks today days says all fine makes limited changes
Thursday team will tell is it same as last year

People complaining bout Halloron kick outs I ask who is better?
Hsnahran who good kicker failed In shot stopping for cit and no where near ken shot stopping wise
There's myth again that just cause ken goes short can't go long
Course he be can

Anyone at town v clyda or other games where he kicked forty five and sixty five scores
So complete incorrect he can't kick long
I saw him ul training camp kicking long
Problem is championship is he no none to aim at it
If I was in goal I wouldn't be kicking long if I saw gould or last year Andrew Sullivan there

Two years ago we has same views at Nash in hurling as cork bar cronin had one ball winner
Yet people said Nash puck outs are poor
Yer when cork got harnedy he was fine and also he so good tool frees for cork as he done with club
Who goalie replace ken
Pointless we replace ken with dave and dave let's in three goals is it??????

I still refuse blame ken as he's no midfield the last two years be fair

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 08:53PM

sean mac wrote: »

Ttm i agree about midfield however an even bigger issue is ohallorhans kickouts,ge gas no distance and has no confidence going ling,the pressure on tiring backs to win a shirt kickout and turn ut into an attack is too much all the time.Could you imagine what a team like donegal would do to us?1 long kick out in2nd half and he didnt reach 45,criminal at this level. Imo maguire is corks only real midfielder atthis level and thats huge pressure on a young fella.
However great effort from team and good spirit shown,they gad to win and did;flanagan has them in top shape

I'd totally agree flangan top shape fitness wise

What did you make cork tactically
What did you make of subs the tactically changing three aera to solve one
Full back line???
What you think we're strongest aera and weakest

Have we turned a corner!???

Or is it too early with Dublin missing around five key regular today

Gary Neville · 01-02-2015 09:13PM

wackokid wrote: »

Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol
D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it.
That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play.
Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago.
Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify.
Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.

I'd agree that Donal Og was only average today but I think he might make the grade, in time.

I agree that Hayes brings something as a last quarter sub - good vision and will take a score.

We are obviously badly caught for corner backs - Galvin is probably an option - we may have to use BOD there. Jamie was OK. It's not Cuthbert's fault - the lads are not there.

Loughrey is a problem - great ahtlete but poor vision - modern game requires wing backs to be able to link play.

Ken O Halloran is a very good shot stopper and is hard to beat but we won't beat a top side unless we can mix kick-outs - long and short - he can't kick long with the required accuracy and our MF'ers need an edge - by placing the ball to where they run. Bastick outfielded them with ease today. KOH is a luxury we can't afford IMO.

A vital win today and maybe we can win our 2 other home games and sneak an away win (Tyrone are our best chance) 4 wins might give a semi slot.

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 09:14PM

zetecescort wrote: »

good win but look who Dublin had out, 4 or 5 starters come the summer and didn't bring on any big names either while we had 11 or 12 and brought on Kerrigan.

Whats the story with our setup on Dublins kickouts. contested only 2 or 3 in the full game. have any sort of system what you want but giving your opponents uncontested possession in the middle of the pitch every time they restart a game is woeful imo.

I agree it remind me phase rubgy years ago with new rules full back catches kicks high opposition full back and he returns ot

A game of ping pong results
It goes on for around four or five phases

Ireland Argentina Dublin four years ago similar scenario

Ireland won
We though lovely jubbly

However we played all blacks and aussies who full back play is run and create than play garryowwn nonsense Ireland game was exposed cruelly

Point is cause it worked v Argentina doesn't mean it's successful
It's successful as Argentina back play was one dimensional

Soon as Ireland met creative southern hemisphere teams they were exposed

Dublin went along with it today as they were trying out something new
Thry new they have ball winning midfield in the summer
Cork imo went with it as they know they have no other option
A key difference

Cork didn't contest as they allowed Dublin ball funnel back

That's fine but when Dublin add likes flynn and kilkenny ti the attack not young lads like today as you say they with space will carve cork open and Gooch kerry would love such system with cork

One point is however defence you go you can't allow there playmaker any time or space on the ball
Classic example England v Italy last year
England never marked oldest man on the field the awesmoric pirlo

He went deep England allowed him to
Naive and foolish Hodgson forget pirlo going deep allowed him no pace pick pass after pass and split England static defence off as he pleased and while England lauded fact more passed than Italy pirlo had most success rate both teams and he created so much from deep
As he had ability to do so

Cork do this to kerry in July Gooch will play deep and pick possess off and get kerry forward ball I'm hand they will carve cork out

See if I was cuthbhert after today I'd ask what would kerry do this scenario
You must think like them as there the ultimate tesr

If cork are pressed also on their kickouts then huge problem as cork won't be able to move up field at pace
You must have various game plans
Cork have none bar short kick out and have no mistake if a normal joe soap like me can spot this the top coaches like Buckley cian o Neill in the world of video analysis can spot this and have it noticed

Kerry being kerry will allow absolutely cork do this in four weeks
They won't contest

But in killarney like done donegal they will be moving for the receiver before ken has even begun he's kick out
They will be like a hare in race running at speed before gates have opened in the traps for the dogs
This system fine today but so easy defend against imo

Richmond Ultra · 01-02-2015 09:17PM

As mentioned a few days ago.it looks likely that both Sligo and queens will be in trouble over unregistered players but further info will be available soon.

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 09:18PM

Richmond Ultra wrote: »

As mentioned a few days ago.it looks likely that both Sligo and queens will be in trouble over unregistered players but further info will be available soon.

Thanks for that

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 09:34PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'd agree that Donal Og was only average today but I think he might make the grade, in time.

I agree that Hayes brings something as a last quarter sub - good vision and will take a score.

We are obviously badly caught for corner backs - Galvin is probably an option - we may have to use BOD there. Jamie was OK. It's not Cuthbert's fault - the lads are not there.

Loughrey is a problem - great ahtlete but poor vision - modern game requires wing backs to be able to link play.

Ken O Halloran is a very good shot stopper and is hard to beat but we won't beat a top side unless we can mix kick-outs - long and short - he can't kick long with the required accuracy and our MF'ers need an edge - by placing the ball to where they run. Bastick outfielded them with ease today. KOH is a luxury we can't afford IMO.

A vital win today and maybe we can win our 2 other home games and sneak an away win (Tyrone are our best chance) 4 wins might give a semi slot.

Sorry now Gary but you were saying opposite if I remember just while back be fair

Is it case we loose next week we get different opinions

You were one critise Hayes last year

What did he score today????
Loughrey is not the problem
Rewind ti mayo and watch that game
He's never a defender's and he was exposed today
Mallow don't even rate him as a defender and playing him half forward and midfield

You were in awe of he's attacking vision two goals last time v mayo create two goals last year
Loughrey is good half back but never played corner for club well
Don't judge a lad played out of positions imo

Who starts instead of ken??????

Cuthbhert picked the panel
Did you not say recently that cronin you liked on the panel
There good players and Alan was dripped last year
I'm sorry now Gary but he picked no special corner back today and there available in cork
He knew Galvin had injury concerns

You blame loughrey yet you want bod there are you actually for real

Corner back is a specialist position required a special focus and concentration

Brian o driscoll is a brilliant half back or half forward
He is NOT A MAN MARKERS
It would be an insult to he's terrific talent to waste him at corner back
He likes the freedom of attack and movement
It's a bit like having a greyhound and not walking him regularly
The dog looses he's natural instinct
Driscoll is not a corner back
Dorman wasn't and proved today be excellent half back
Remember dorman was destroyed at corner last year
Do you want the same with driscoll
I doubt it

Crowley when fit is the only half back that can play corner back imo

Cadogan and Sullivan have be in the full back line with Galvin
Shields automatic when he comes back
One of the cronin has to be called up

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 09:46PM

The positives today was dorman is outstanding half back
Halloron best shot stopper cork have
O driscoll at just twenty one long career ahead of him
Cork have abundance half backs but we can't convert them to corner backs just facilities them all

Maguire is fine prospect but needs a partner

Collins was brilliant and proved is brilliant link man
O rourke had fine game and is tough and can score as two points

Hurley and colm with ball will score

Problems that will define cork season are getting cover in full back line, coherent efficient stable midfield and cover also and getting a settled half back line with perfect balance out of crowley Clancy boys loughrey dorman and Brian o driscoll

But Brian could be played as a ten

Also cork scoring from play in forwards were poor with just six from play and they need to do more

Half back unit imo can be fixed fast enough
Corner back cover the same
High in the list imo is midfield and I worry in February with panel named our options are limited and pray god maguire doesn't get injured

Will be like shea fahy in time for cork

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 09:52PM

leaf123 wrote: »

Great win for Roco yesterday, well deserved .Kingston and Cormack didnt have their best game but were always a threat.John o Sullivan from blackrock was outstanding and the point when he picked pocketed the ASR player along the sideline was simply unreal.he was my motm. Powter was frighting , his pace and unbelievable is amazing ,his was a threat through out and last week he kept Roco in the Corn Ni mhuiri with a last minute block. Eoghan O Brien did ok on Lynch however it is hard to keep such a player quiet.Putting lynch in full forward didnt work and they soon realised it was a terrible decision as roco went 0-6 0-1 up.Overall it is great achievement for roco for getting this far only in their second year playing Harty and i hope they go all the way

I agree and suprised moran put lynch full forward after same mistake v thurles

I notice one key themes every post here is everyone totally agreed o sullivan man of the match
Has to be on cork minor panel this year
Age didn't stop paddy o loughin outstanding last year or Casey
Sullivan has the temperament to play cork minors

HighKing33 · 01-02-2015 10:00PM

Duller than last year but possibly more efficient. Controlled the tempo well. Reminded me a bit of Counihan's Cork team.

The goal was a peach.

Gary Neville · 01-02-2015 10:16PM

I'd like to see the Cronins - they could mark small nippy corner forwards like Kevin McM and Stephen O Brien.

I'm aware BOD would be wasted in the corner but we may not have better options - Crowley would be better option but it's a problem that we must address.

I think Ken O H is a great keeper but he simply is poor on kick-outs and I don't think we can afford this - however, we may not have a better option but we have got to see. Maybe Martin.

I'm not a big Hayes fan but I think he has something to offer as a sub - however I'd agree with trying Vaughan and maybe the likes of Sam Oakes - I was surprised that Desmond was deemed good enough to try but u can't complain about trying guys in the McGrath.

I'd also be concerned as to whether our coaching is good enough - but as least if we fix on a system and work at it, we should improve.

sean mac · 01-02-2015 10:28PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd totally agree flangan top shape fitness wise

What did you make cork tactically
What did you make of subs the tactically changing three aera to solve one
Full back line???
What you think we're strongest aera and weakest

Have we turned a corner!???

Or is it too early with Dublin missing around five key regular today

Tactically they are looking at being defensive but adopting the best of the Donegal system i.e. breaking at pace when the ball is won. With players/athletes like dorman, Clancy, bodriscoll,cadogan around the half back line added to the class of Collins and orourke this system should suit cork down to the ground. However it needs a playmaker/quarter back type player around the middle like donncha (at this stage will he last 70 minutes?).
However the full back line is a huge issue with ONE caveat - cadogan seemed to go strsaight to full back? and obviously noel galvin when fit will slot inthere, its the other corner position and again I think when shields is back will do fine, but we have NO cover.
Have to also addd why is cussen on the bench and lauded by management who then refuse to bring him on even do we are getting beaten in midfield??
Have we turned a corner - NO too early to say that, however credit to all for the levels of energy & fitness impressive.
If ohallorhan has a longer kick he needs to change things up and use it, when paddy Kelly and mark Collins are playing in the half forward line they are obvious kickout targets away from the centre of the field.
Our strongest area is our half back line - we have some superb potential wing backs with power, pace and football, our inside line once fed QUICKLY is lethal but our midfield is not at the races and its difficult to see a solution with the players available - Maguire is a fine player and does a huge amount of work, fintan is not a midfielder at this level.

windy shepard henderson · 01-02-2015 10:44PM

first look at cork today , they look restricted playing a short passing game , it dosent seem to suite the players , we would give ye a game should we beat limerick come championship but we would'nt beat ye , in saying that kerry are probably getting stronger with the inclusion of minors and the return of tommy walsh and i am sure gooch will be back aswell come july , out of interest was the cork goal a squre ball?

thinkstoomuch1 · 01-02-2015 10:53PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'd like to see the Cronins - they could mark small nippy corner forwards like Kevin McM and Stephen O Brien.

I'm aware BOD would be wasted in the corner but we may not have better options - Crowley would be better option but it's a problem that we must address.

I think Ken O H is a great keeper but he simply is poor on kick-outs and I don't think we can afford this - however, we may not have a better option but we have got to see. Maybe Martin.

I'm not a big Hayes fan but I think he has something to offer as a sub - however I'd agree with trying Vaughan and maybe the likes of Sam Oakes - I was surprised that Desmond was deemed good enough to try but u can't complain about trying guys in the McGrath.

I'd also be concerned as to whether our coaching is good enough - but as least if we fix on a system and work at it, we should improve.

I think at times cork loose the run of themselves

Martin is a fine keepee but he's under twenty one
Now jusr suppose we start him and he has to go long and he's kick outs are cleaned out that will destroy he's confidence as he has no midfield aim at
People critise ken fair point if they can give us better option
But nobody can say with conviction that we have better option
I noticed no one here actually bar yourself and myself said great saves he made
Cork would have lost today without him yet we drop him for a problem that's half he's problem

Your aware he's wasted in corner but o driscoll is best option
No he's not absolutely not
Were putting square pegs in hold
In maths when you solve a complex equations you don't just throw random numbers in to see if it works
You must think out the problem logically

You call up the cronin
All it takes is a phone call
Connolly was called in out of the blue
If not you call up colm tucker o brien

The mcgrsth cup is for trying out players yes

But calling up durrant Hodnett and Desmond to just make up the numbers was wrong

Why wasn't Paul flynn after a call up given a game
Cork have abundance of forwards
Mac eoin after injury was available but dropped ruthlessly yet other like Hayes get unlimited game time

Who has potential to be a better player
Mac eoin or Hayes
Mac eoin has in all Ireland minor and under twenty one always perform for cork I'n big games and unlike Hayes like rough and tumble has bullish attuide and drive to come on and change a game v Kerry Hayes doesn't

What has he done in eight years in big games????
Surely mac eoin has more potential

Yes we can complain if players they try in league don't deserve a call up on performance and there better players available
Why wasn't leary given a chance and can actually play half forward or midfield who has much better under age record than Desmond who has none
So imo it's plausible to say it was a poor call

I'm not being flippant geuinely not but your either a fan of Hayes or your not

Sugrue deserved a call as done well last year in mcgrath cup

I agree fixing on a system is imperative but clear today hurley needs coaching or imo as said before be wasted talent

The link play of defence and attack is not great in colm driscoll for all he's effort slows down the tempo of the attack

It won't work
Remind munster trying play high octane fast play width ptich last year under penny and it broke down as he could not pass or offload and when tackled he slowed down the attack as brought ball in to contact without off loading at pace

Cork team my worry is the team was picked on mayo last year and today it struggled against strong to a degree but under strength Dublin missing threw at least key players and but for brilliant o Halloron saves would lost

Bit like cork v Waterford under twenty one last year lot said great display by management
I said hold off til clare as patrick Collins five saves of brilliant saves cork
Against clare thry got a rude awakening

The danger is same team be picked v monaghan while Dublin had three goals chances today and if one them went in cork would been in trouble

Monaghan will go for the win Sunday as want four points now

Best thing is kerry loose next week so have play to win in cork and we get no false dawn but a real real test

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