No vaping in public: New Bill

That came from a report that was taken out of context:

Oops can't post a link because I'm a new user. The gist is that that is only true if vaped at very high voltage.

A couple of observations on this story, first let's not panic, senator Doyle is a ff senator. Senators have the power to propose bills but the dail seldom accepts them. Especially from opposition party members. Second she sounds uninformed because she is, this bill has senator Crowns dirty paw prints all over it. All the references she has are straight from Glantz's blog, probably provided by Crown.
The scary thing is how far they want to go, not just age restriction and safe packaging (which would bulletproof and tamper evident) but they want public use bans on the basis of no evidence, apart from the misrepresentation of some studies( she even mentioned the discredited Japan one), health warnings, and most ludicrous of all plain packaging same as cigerettes.
Will this happen? No, not with the tpd regs to accommodate and the government working on their own regulations, this is nothing more than attention seeking on Powers part and an effort at scaremongering on Crowns part.
Expect age restriction, chip bottles and all the tpd stuff from the actual government, possibly public use bans, warning labels and bans on display.
Unless we fight expect it all, so if you value your right to vape and evidence based regulation, write to your TD asking them to tell Leo, hands off our vapes!

wallywhittle wrote: »

E cigarettes are for the weak willed and delusional. Do yourselves a favour and read Allen Carr easy way to give up smoking, you won't regret. It's such a relief to free yourself from the devil nicotine. Does anybody actually know what shiite actually goes into these evil contraptions.

Speaking of the ill-informed :rolleyes: ,

And why in the name of God would I want to 'Free' myself of nicotine , I like what it does to/for me , same as others drinking a cup of coffee .... I hate coffee . ( love the smell of it though )

Gez69 wrote: »

That came from a report that was taken out of context:

Oops can't post a link because I'm a new user. The gist is that that is only true if vaped at very high voltage.

The report quotes two voltages, 3.3v and 4.8v , checked my VIP unit, its 4.8v fixed, so its in the bin and Ive quit, got some nicorette to get me through.

In all fairness, this was always too good to be true, all i did was swap a known health risk for an unknown container of chemicals.

Now it turns out to be 15 times worse, should have guessed it really!

wallywhittle wrote: »

Nicotine is a drug and you my friend are a drug addict. The only reason you consume nicotine is because you are addicted to it not because you enjoy it.

AND because I enjoy it . I know exactly what I am doing and why I am doing it , and I'm ok with that .

andy1249 wrote: »

The report quotes two voltages, 3.3v and 4.8v , checked my VIP unit, its 4.8v fixed, so its in the bin and Ive quit, got some nicorette to get me through.

In all fairness, this was always too good to be true, all i did was swap a known health risk for an unknown container of chemicals.

Now it turns out to be 15 times worse, should have guessed it really!

You are more than entitled to take whatever you want from that report and if you want to throw your unit in the bin and quit then fair play to you .

That doesn't make the report accurate though and it doesn't make e-cigs 15 times worse .

A quote from Fox News of all places

However, Gregory Conley, a lawyer with the American Vaping Association, an advocacy group for e-cigarettes, criticized the study methods.

"They use the device in a manner that no one does," he said.

Using the high voltage for as long as the researchers mimicked in the study "creates a burning, acrid taste" called a "dry puff" that would cause users to adjust the e-cigarette, Conley said.

What the researchers did is like leaving a steak on a grill all day - many cancer-causing substances might be formed but no one would eat such charred meat, he said.

Eric Jacobs, a biologist at the American Cancer Society, said a biochemist at the society looked at the work and "was reasonably convinced" that the chemical researchers measured would break down into formaldehyde in the user's lungs.

"No one should conclude from this that e-cigarettes used at high voltage are worse than combustible tobacco cigarettes," because of all the other toxins in tobacco smoke, Jacobs said.

I still expect some research to come out at some stage to prove that e-cigs are dangerous but this isn't it and until someone finds it i am going to keep on vaping .

miezekatze wrote: »

I'm in favour of restrictions. I didn't used to mind them, but one of the senior managers where I work uses these at his desk all the time with no consideration for others, and it's the same in the company where my oh works. Using these things in the office is really out of order imo.

Agreed , anyone who blows clouds across an office is an a-hole , have a bit of respect for others around you and don't be a dick , but then that goes for all things in life I suppose .

I think we would all like to see the industry regulated but it should be evidence based regulation .