Staffie dog hogtied and cooked alive over a fire at The Curragh

OldNotWIse · 29-01-2015 03:39PM

Ah I see the thread has descended into the usual "baby and dog burning in a housefire- which one would you save" ridiculous hypothetical questions again. FFS people.

Frog Song · 29-01-2015 03:40PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I'm so glad he survived.

If it were my dog, I'd consider it worth doing time for.

I won't be looking at the link but from what I gather here he didn't survive?

Ave Sodalis · 29-01-2015 03:41PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well if you put the life of a dog before that of an innocent human while sitting there enjoying the fruits of 40,000 years of human civilization you're a bad person.

And the dog's guilty, I presume? They're both innocent, they're both in danger, for some reason I'm the only one who can save them but I see them as equal (not superior, equal). I will make my decision on who to save based on if it were two humans in the same situation.

OldNotWIse · 29-01-2015 03:42PM

Frog Song wrote: »

I won't be looking at the link but from what I gather here he didn't survive?

You're right. Scum. I hate people.

The other fella · 29-01-2015 03:42PM

Frog Song wrote: »

I won't be looking at the link but from what I gather here he didn't survive?

Unfortunately not.He had actually been internally cooked and he was beyond saving.The most grotueque way for him to go :mad:

29-01-2015 03:43PM

Lau2976 wrote: »

I accept that that's your belief but I don't see why. I don't distingush between animals and people.

Lau2976 wrote: »

Yes I would save my dog every single time. That's a completely different situation because I disagree with eating living things all together.

Well that figures, although the first one is a little worrying. I'd hate to be competing with a rabbit for survival if you were in control!

Magico Gonzalez · 29-01-2015 03:43PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Fair enough. I think you've pretty much checked out of any right you have to participate in human society but ok.

This is a ridiculous theoretical point which will never occur. When is someone going to be in the position to chose a dog over a person, how does that even occur?

Human society as a construct simply does not exist. I'll be OK with not participating. What do you consider human society? Are rapists and murderers part of it? Is war an acceptable part of it? If I am a soldier and a kill hundreds of other people as it's my job am I in or out of this imaginary human society? If I can drunk and kill someone in my car how is my standing? Do I get a letter explaining I am no longer a part of this made up construct?

Human society is something you made up. Doesn't exist.

OldNotWIse · 29-01-2015 03:45PM

Why would anyone do such a thing?

The other fella · 29-01-2015 03:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well if you put the life of a dog before that of an innocent human while sitting there enjoying the fruits of 40,000 years of human civilization you're a bad person.

Why does everyone think humans are the end all and be all? We wouldnt have got to 40 of those 40,000 years without animals to balance our ecosystem and the practical uses they had along the way.

suicide_circus · 29-01-2015 03:46PM

Ooookkkaaaayy....

I see I've stumbled upon some kind of PETA drum circle here

*slowly backs away*

Lau2976 · 29-01-2015 03:47PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Well that figures, although the first one is a little worrying. I'd hate to be competing with a rabbit for survival if you were in control!

If I were in control I would base my decision on a number of factors, including who I actually had a chance of saving and who had a chance of saving themselves.

I don't agree with eating other sentient beings so I must be a crazy hemp wearing preaching vegan right?

DamagedTrax · 29-01-2015 03:47PM

The other fella wrote: »

Why does everyone think humans are the end all and be all? We wouldnt have got to 40 of those 40,000 years without animals to balance our ecosystem and the practical uses they had along the way.

100%

the very breed that was killed here was once the 2nd bread winner for families. these dogs were put up in the same place as children, it was their bravery that often fed the families.

SparkySpitfire · 29-01-2015 03:47PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Fair enough. I think you've pretty much checked out of any right you have to participate in human society but ok.

You're worrying.

It works both ways.

If it came between you and my cat - though a lot of these "hypothetical" scenarios are completely insane... My cat's coming first, I don't know you from Adam, what have you ever done for me except for mildly annoying me on a message board?

Ave Sodalis · 29-01-2015 03:47PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ooookkkaaaayy....

I see I've stumbled upon some kind of PETA drum circle here

*slowly backs away*

Nobody here is that extreme. Can you really not see why anyone would value an animals life and don't think humans are the greatest thing ever?

Blatter · 29-01-2015 03:47PM

I'm trying to figure out whether K4t is trolling or has got himself tangled in a ridiculous web of discussion to try and win an argument on the internet.

Comparing cooking meat for human consumption and squashing flies to torturing a dog by slowly burning it alive over a fire.

Hmmm.

OldNotWIse · 29-01-2015 03:48PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ooookkkaaaayy....

I see I've stumbled upon some kind of PETA drum circle here

*slowly backs away*

A dog has been cooked alive by people... It's not PETA that's the issue here!

DamagedTrax · 29-01-2015 03:48PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ooookkkaaaayy....

I see I've stumbled upon some kind of PETA drum circle here

*slowly backs away*

actually , if you had, given PETA's ideas on the pit bull breeds, this would be a very different thread.

SparkySpitfire · 29-01-2015 03:48PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ooookkkaaaayy....

People disagree with me and I don't know what else to say

*slowly backs away*

FYP

EazyD · 29-01-2015 03:49PM

I can only hope the worst for the utterly repulsive filthbag that did this. Hope they die roaring.

K4t · 29-01-2015 03:49PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I'm terribly pleased you think it's fine.

If someone values the life of their hamster above me AND it comes down to incredibly complicated situation where they have to chose between me and a hamster, I'll accept it.

Of course, it's a completely redundant point. Unless of course you expect me to believe that hammy the hamster might one day be granted the spot in a lifeboat as the ferry we were both travelling on sinks into the blue yonder.

"Sorry Magico, it's you or the hamster, and this lifeboat ain't big enough for both of you!"

Or maybe me and this other families goldfish will need urgent medical treatment, as i lie their uttering my last on the operating table I'll understand it completely if the fish gets priority.

Meanwhile, in the real world, these choices never occur. It's the same as the absurd nonsense that insists that some daft dogmatic (no pun intended) belief stops some people behaving pragmatically. Do I care about cockroaches? Nope, it's hot were I live and the come up through the drainage pipes. I don't shed any tears as I poison them.
.

But don't you see that if your view became prevalent and the accepted view, those situations would arise. The dog and the hamster being worth saving over the human would now be accepted as the correct behaviour by the majority. Your dog and that person's hamster would be given preference over human life. You talk about the real world, well how about being honest and admitting that your view has no place in it.

Lau2976 · 29-01-2015 03:49PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well if you put the life of a dog before that of an innocent human while sitting there enjoying the fruits of 40,000 years of human civilization you're a bad person.

Oh no someone on the internet thinks I'm a bad person based on a single strand of my comprehensive belief systems! :eek: I may as well lock myself away now so me being a bad person doesn't hurt anyone!

OldNotWIse · 29-01-2015 03:51PM

EazyD wrote: »

I can only hope the worst for the utterly repulsive filthbag that did this. Hope they die roaring.

Me too. If it was my dog I'd see to it that they did.

At least the poor dog is at peace now.

Humans are shíts.

SparkySpitfire · 29-01-2015 03:51PM

K4t wrote: »

But don't you see that if your view became prevalent and the accepted view, those situations would arise. The dog and the hamster being worth saving over the human would now be accepted as the correct behaviour by the majority. Your dog and that person's hamster would be given preference over human life. You talk about the real world, well how about being honest and admitting that your view has no place in it.

Your scenarios are completely redundant as well as ridiculous. There's never gonna be a decision of stranger v the hamster.

Arise from where? These situations don't exist.

There's no way to argue your "point" without placing us in an alternate fantasy universe.

suicide_circus · 29-01-2015 03:52PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Nobody here is that extreme. Can you really not see why anyone would value an animals life and don't think humans are the greatest thing ever?

I do value the lives of animals, I've had pets and was a quivering wreck when they died. And I don't think humans are the best thing ever, far from it, exceptionally flawed. But I put the life of a human ahead of that of a dog.

OldNotWIse · 29-01-2015 03:52PM

I need to unfollow. I'm not normally one for burying my head in the sand but it's too much. The thoughts of the suffering make me feel physiclly sick

Ave Sodalis · 29-01-2015 03:53PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I do value the lives of animals, I've had pets and was a quivering wreck when they died. And I don't think humans are the best thing ever, far from it, exceptionally flawed. But I put the life of a human ahead of that of a dog.

And you would insult and dismiss people who think them equal?

SparkySpitfire · 29-01-2015 03:53PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I do value the lives of animals, I've had pets and was a quivering wreck when they died. And I don't think humans are the best thing ever, far from it, exceptionally flawed. But I put the life of a human ahead of that of a dog.

Well you know what?

That's absolutely grand.

Just don't ask me to.

29-01-2015 03:55PM

Lau2976 wrote: »

If I were in control I would base my decision on a number of factors, including who I actually had a chance of saving and who had a chance of saving themselves.

I don't agree with eating other sentient beings so I must be a crazy hemp wearing preaching vegan right?

No I'm saying it figures, in that you obviously care a great deal about animals. It wasn't a slight at all. It was a compliment, if anything, in that you have your morals and stick by them. I just found it a little weird you see no difference between animals and people is all.

Sofiztikated · 29-01-2015 03:56PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i'd love you to explain a situation where i might die in exchange for the survival of someone's pet hamster.

True story time.

When I was younger, a mate brought his hamster down to my house, a new pet and wanted to show it off. It was a lovely day, we were out the of my house, on our street.

Being a lovely day, most of the family was outside. My nephew, 3 or 4 at the time, came waddling over, and of course we said, "Here, Danny, look at what Georgie has," pointing to the hamster, running around on the street.

Danny waddled passed up, and in a beat said, "Don't worry, I'll get it!" and stamped down on the hamster.

In this instance, being that the hamster was Georgies pet which he was going to love and cherish, and what Danny did was, in effect, animal abuse, is the mandatory life sentence people are calling for, the right course of action? Or should Georgie have punched Danny square in the (as then undropped) balls?

Baggy Trousers · 29-01-2015 03:56PM

Bastards.

Staffie dog hogtied and cooked alive over a fire at The Curragh

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