Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Lukker- · 18-01-2015 07:57PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Re. Defence vs City's.

That's all down to De Gea. Not the defenders....

Its not really comparable.

City play a relatively open attacking game compared to United who play with 5 at the back in a relatively rigid system.

It's more down to LVG playing a fairly control based system because IMO he doesn't trust his defenders. It also helps when De Gea is in the form of his life.

Nalz · 18-01-2015 07:57PM

Quandary wrote: »

On an unrelated note, Cazorla is having an incredible game against City. Quality player.

If you disregard the last 4 to 6 weeks, he's been very below par and off form

Lukker- · 18-01-2015 07:58PM

Trilla wrote: »

If you disregard the last 4 to 6 weeks, he's been very below par and off form

Largely because he was being played out of position.

homerjay2005 · 18-01-2015 07:59PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Re. Defence vs City's.

That's all down to De Gea. Not the defenders....

de gea has won us about 10 points this season. even taking into account how poor liverpool, spurs and arsenal were until december compared to last season, if he was on a par with last season, we'd probably be 7th or 8th now.

or the other way of looking at it, if De Gea played like this last year, he could and would have saved Moyes job - we'd have finished 5th at least anyway and possibly 4th as i think he cost us a good few points (cardiff, Spurs, Fulham being just 3 examples of at least 5 points where he could have done better) and didnt win us many - perhaps a 10-12 point swing to this year.

all things considered, De Gea is the reason we are 4th this year and not 7th like we were this time last year.

advertsfox · 18-01-2015 07:59PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Re. Defence vs City's.

That's all down to De Gea. Not the defenders....

Very true. Saves below so far this season.

Lloris - 73
De Gea - 62
Hart - 43
Courtois - 38

http://www.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/stats?table=defensive&stat=saves

bangkok · 18-01-2015 08:03PM

van gaal has imo been worse than moyes, we have been shocking this season for the amount that was spent.

totally bizarre decisions being made....

continued back 3
di maria up front
rooney midfield
jones taking corners

shocking stuff

homerjay2005 · 18-01-2015 08:04PM

advertsfox wrote: »

Very true. Saves below so far this season.

Lloris - 73
De Gea - 62
Hart - 43
Courtois - 38

http://www.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/stats?table=defensive&stat=saves

saves is one thing thoug, the quality of them is another. liverpool, everton, Qpr, Arsenal, Southampton were all outstanding, match winning saves by him.

Will I Amnt · 18-01-2015 08:04PM

Pro. F wrote: »

How long has he been in bad form though? Half a season? In a new, dysfunctional, formation; adapting to a new style of football, while also missing time with injury and playing in a completely unsettled defence. I've never rated Evans particularly highly, so I can't defend him very much, but for the people who did rate him to lose faith in him so quickly doesn't make sense.

I'd understand wanting to replace Smalling or Jones because of their injury problems, they're very frustrating in that regard, especially Smalling. In terms of their quality though, they are not the problem right now. The problem with this team is the clusterfùck the manager is making of the midfield.

Call me impatient but I really can't understand players going through months and months of bad form unless there's serious issues outside of football, if there is then fair enough. It's not like he's been asked to play in goal or as a striker, like the other 2, he is not technically good enough to play the system that he's been asked to. He suits a Ferguson/Moyes team more than he suits a van Gaal team and for that reason I think he's surplus to requirements. I thought he was a better ball player than he is, same with Smalling.

Rayne Wooney · 18-01-2015 08:07PM

Van Gaal is a calculated man and if he says it needs to be 352 against the likes of QPR Stoke and Villa for the sake of balance then I don't know if he's going to change it

RichFTW · 18-01-2015 08:23PM

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/556875051015094273

I wish there was a stat that that showed how many times I had to cover my eyes in fear or get a near heart attack any time the ball was kicked anywhere near the United goal. Goals conceded doesn't show all the lucky breaks or outstanding saves from De Gea.

Quandary · 18-01-2015 08:30PM

Trilla wrote: »

If you disregard the last 4 to 6 weeks, he's been very below par and off form

He's being played a bit deeper lately and it really suits him IMO. He has been accused of being a bit of a lightweight but today he was getting stuck in and holding his own.

Anyway, we're probably better off discussing the finer points of Santi Cazorla in the Arsenal thread!

As far as our own midfielders are concerned, I would love to see Herrera get more game time. For all Van Gaals talk of balance, Herrera, Carrick and Di Maria would be a far more rounded midfield 3 than Carrick, Mata, Rooney.

The Moldy Gowl · 18-01-2015 08:36PM

bangkok wrote: »

van gaal has imo been worse than moyes, we have been shocking this season for the amount that was spent.

totally bizarre decisions being made....

continued back 3
di maria up front
rooney midfield
jones taking corners

shocking stuff

Just back from a 2 week vacation.

Come back to this, Titan16 saying lvg should be sacked in the summer.
The hysteria and tin foil hat attitude about de gea leaving.

Fair enough the last 2 performances weren't the best and it's all been covered, but some posters get so hysterical when we lose a game.

Mitch Connor · 18-01-2015 08:59PM

My reservations regarding LVG are growing - because I can't work out what he plans on doing. Based on the players he has signed, and the players we had already, I can't work out what the goal is.

My opinion up to recently was that the plan was to play 442 diamond. It fits with the Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Falcao signings. But he doesn't seem to actually want to go that way.

433 has generally been his prefered formation (with either a DMC or AMC depending on opposition and tactical requirements) through his career - but the signings we have made don't fit them. We have the midfielders for it, but no wingers (unless we play Di Maria there) and our forward options are far too many. One reason I think 433 is most unlikely his target is the sale of Welbeck, he was MADE to play wide in a 433.

Maybe 442 Diamond is still the future plan - when he obtains a midfielder (Strootman) and defenders he trusts to make it work. I've never wanted to think the 532 formation was the plan, as I simply don't think it works, but week by week it is looking more and more likely.

The constant misuse of Rooney and Di Maria and the never use of Herrera baffle me.

bucketybuck · 18-01-2015 09:01PM

billyhead wrote: »

Hope it doesn't come to this but if we miss out on 4th I presume LVG will be sacked and possibly the likes of Di maria will be off?

If LVG gets sacked he will have earned it.

On another note, its an interesting contrast to see on the same page one poster making snide remarks about Felliani not getting support last year, then another poster castigating Evans for his poor run of form.

Will I Amnt · 18-01-2015 09:04PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

On another note, its an interesting contrast to see on the same page one poster making snide remarks about Felliani not getting support last year, then another poster castigating Evans for his poor run of form.

2 different people acting differently shocker...

bangkok · 18-01-2015 09:08PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Just back from a 2 week vacation.

Come back to this, Titan16 saying lvg should be sacked in the summer.
The hysteria and tin foil hat attitude about de gea leaving.

Fair enough the last 2 performances weren't the best and it's all been covered, but some posters get so hysterical when we lose a game.

we didnt lose, we won...

The Moldy Gowl · 18-01-2015 09:09PM

What kind of football do people expect? This type of football is very similar to fergusons, stubborn tactics, odd subs.
I saw a comparison with this seasons to fergies last 3 and it was more or less the exact same.

This swashbuckling counter attacking wing playing notion the media and supporters have, this hasn't been the case for years. We have ground out more results ala qpr rather than dominated games in recent years.

A lot of the players signed this year I could see fergie signing them. Di Maria is being played out of position and really should be the center of the team.

The Moldy Gowl · 18-01-2015 09:10PM

bangkok wrote: »

we didnt lose, we won...

Southampton.

Perhaps read what I said. I was on a 2 week vacation. A lot of over reactions in that 2 weeks. Fair enough I probably only noticed the top end of it popping in on the way home from work but hysteria nonetheless.

nicklauski · 18-01-2015 09:11PM

bangkok wrote: »

we didnt lose, we won...

Must have missed that result against Southampton so.

bangkok · 18-01-2015 09:11PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What kind of football do people expect? This type of football is very similar to fergusons, stubborn tactics, odd subs.
I saw a comparison with this seasons to fergies last 3 and it was more or less the exact same.

This swashbuckling counter attacking wing playing notion the media and supporters have, this hasn't been the case for years. We have ground out more results ala qpr rather than dominated games in recent years.

A lot of the players signed this year I could see fergie signing them. Di Maria is being played out of position and really should be the center of the team.

haha quote of the century!!!

The Moldy Gowl · 18-01-2015 09:13PM

bangkok wrote: »

haha quote of the century!!!

Hahaha I know right.

Hashtag lol

Please note the 'this type of football'.

bangkok · 18-01-2015 09:13PM

does anyone think we are progressing under van gaal? we have gone back miles.

Phil jones taking a corner ffs

Mitch Connor · 18-01-2015 09:15PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What kind of football do people expect? This type of football is very similar to fergusons, stubborn tactics, odd subs.
I saw a comparison with this seasons to fergies last 3 and it was more or less the exact same.

This swashbuckling counter attacking wing playing notion the media and supporters have, this hasn't been the case for years. We have ground out more results ala qpr rather than dominated games in recent years.

A lot of the players signed this year I could see fergie signing them. Di Maria is being played out of position and really should be the center of the team.

I expect us to use and retain the ball better - and attack with more style and creativity. I don't expect us to play like Fergie's best sides.

The football we have been playing lately is poor, conservative and predictable. Wishing for better than this is not wishing for a return the fast paced up tempo games of the 90's.

The Moldy Gowl · 18-01-2015 09:15PM

bangkok wrote: »

does anyone think we are progressing under van gaal? we have gone back miles.

Phil jones taking a corner ffs

Heaven forbid we try something new.

There is potential to play a more intelligent style of football alright, it just dosent seem to e happening.

bangkok · 18-01-2015 09:17PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Heaven forbid we try something new.

There is potential to play a more intelligent style of football alright, it just dosent seem to e happening.

try something new?! are you seriously defending van gal telling jones to take a corner?! falcao not even on the bench v southampton?!

The_Kew_Tour · 18-01-2015 09:18PM

bangkok wrote: »

we have gone back miles.

Lets not get carried away here.

homerjay2005 · 18-01-2015 09:20PM

to be honest, Fellaini deserved all the stick he got last season and likewise deserves credit for the way he has turned it around this season.

they are footballers, playing for the biggest club in the world and when they do well they get praise, when they are not up to scratch, they get stick. its football and it happens to most players, in every club.

The Moldy Gowl · 18-01-2015 09:22PM

bangkok wrote: »

try something new?! are you seriously defending van gal telling jones to take a corner?! falcao not even on the bench v southampton?!

If they can hit the ball into the box, I couldn't give a **** if de gea ran up and helicoptered his dick and hit the ball into the box.

Falcao should have been playing, not sure where I said otherwise?

I don't know why jones was taking corners. He isn't exactly lethal at being in the box for a corner. Maybe he was good in training?

Will we see it in the next match? I would hope not.

bangkok · 18-01-2015 09:22PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Lets not get carried away here.

we def havent got better, if we were to play chelsea this weekend we would be wiped off the park

Mitch Connor · 18-01-2015 09:23PM

bangkok wrote: »

try something new?! are you seriously defending van gal telling jones to take a corner?! falcao not even on the bench v southampton?!

Of the two corners Jones put into the box, one was good, the other was the same crap we have seen from all our 'star' players.

What the fook is the problem with Jones taking it? Maybe he is decent at lumping the ball into the box. Maybe he has shown that in training.

There are plenty of reasons to have a go at LVG but you simply deciding Jones should not be taking a corners is a pretty freaking weak one, imo.

Di Maria has sucked at them, as has Rooney, Mata and RVP. Would prefer Falcao in the box for them. Would prefer Carrick in a defensive midfield position to help defend vs a counter. Valencia blasting at a defenders shin isn't going to be an improvement. So, what EXACTLY is the massive problem with Jones, who is hardly proven to be a goal threat on them, taking them?

We constantly see people in here questioning why highly paid pro footballers can't do something simply like miss the first defender - we constant see people say it should be simple and easy - well JUST FUKING MAYBE Jones can do this apparently really fecking simple task so stop using it as a stick to beat LVG with. Use 532. Use Rooney in midfield. Use Di Maria up front. Use Falcao out of the squad vs Southampton. Use Herrera hardly getting a look in.

Fuk sake.

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