1405 campaign news

Suzuka · 13-01-2015 12:49pm

fish2690 wrote: »

It does look like great news that paragraph. Although, the word 'expect' worries me with the Executive bobos we have in Stormont. lol

I'm hoping (and praying lol!) its a demand rather than a request to the Executive lol but as you say they seem to change their opinion like the wind

HighburyLad · 13-01-2015 12:50pm

QueenP wrote: »

Fingers and toes crossed thinking f it from a business point of view they have wasted too much in resources and money to drop us all.

What would be the point in having a high profile recruitment campaign and a decent merit pool to choose from for only 100 officers whenever they could exhaust the list and reduce their overall costings in the long term by using us instead of getting another campaign up and running.

I dunno about you's but I google psni every day to see if there's any news lol. I'm such a saddo

Nothing sad about that, it's the career you want I can totally relate as I do the same haha. I have been told by good sources not to worry, and it said in the email we received from Deloitte twice that recruitment will continue as originally planned.

I think we just want the chief or the PSNI as a body to say, yes we will be taking on the original 378 as planned to put our minds at ease, I think as you say QueenP it wouldn't be visable to have a merit list of potentially 378 recruits and only take 100 and then possibly a year later or not even, less, and open a whole new campaign.

I think the chief knows what he's doing, we will be used I believe it's just more a when as said, it could be delayed in terms of timing but it would be better to delay and slow it down than stop all together but I have confidence with these new agreements that it will continue as normal, but again I touch wood as I say this lol, as always time will tell.

Edit: I think as well with the quote expect that it's part of the agreement that the PSNI receives the support needed to police in a modern society and to combat dissident activity, and deal with the past. So I see it as part of the agreement as Westminster will provide 30 million to police the past for the next 5 years so they will want a guarantee that freeing this cost up that it will be utilised appropriately in other areas I.e. community policing, again just my thoughts for what it's worth lol.

fish2690 · 13-01-2015 12:52pm

QueenP wrote: »

Fingers and toes crossed thinking f it from a business point of view they have wasted too much in resources and money to drop us all.

What would be the point in having a high profile recruitment campaign and a decent merit pool to choose from for only 100 officers whenever they could exhaust the list and reduce their overall costings in the long term by using us instead of getting another campaign up and running.

I dunno about you's but I google psni every day to see if there's any news lol. I'm such a saddo

Then I am a saddo also lol. No, in all seriousness you are right. I keep hearing talks of a high number of officers retiring who will be on top dollars and we could be replacing them starting on £19k. Also, I found this from a Freedom of Information document on last year's recruitment campaign's costs:

The cost of this recruitment campaign will be approximately £1.1m which includes advertising costs of approximately £120k.

Can't see that figure being too different from the current campaign which supports your comment of only hiring 100 and need another campaign very shortly.

KevBo2015 · 13-01-2015 12:57pm

Has anyone asked for numbers passing through the AC yet? From that we could gather what their intensions are, for example if say 500-700 passed you could assume it would be for 100 officers taking those dropping out into consideration etc? OR if they have passed say 1200 then you could assume its the full whack?

Just guessing here tho. Does anyone know how many passed the last assessment center stage? Could gather from that they would put the same amount through for this one if they intend to appoint 370, if its lower can assume the worst that they will only take on 100?

HighburyLad · 13-01-2015 1:01pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Has anyone asked for numbers passing through the AC yet? From that we could gather what their intensions are, for example if say 500-700 passed you could assume it would be for 100 officers taking those dropping out into consideration etc? OR if they have passed say 1200 then you could assume its the full whack?

Just guessing here tho. Does anyone know how many passed the last assessment center stage? Could gather from that they would put the same amount through for this one if they intend to appoint 370, if its lower can assume the worst that they will only take on 100?

700 odd where in merit placing first campaign mate, I would say it will be the same for us possibly less as there was less applied this campaign than last, and with the rates of attrition etc I think it could be slightly less, and bare in mind there are folks on the merit who are waiting on the call as we speak in campaign 1, and who have got the call since too, providing finances don't kick us down, it's favourable definitely providing the remaining stages are passed.

fish2690 · 13-01-2015 1:02pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Has anyone asked for numbers passing through the AC yet? From that we could gather what their intensions are, for example if say 500-700 passed you could assume it would be for 100 officers taking those dropping out into consideration etc? OR if they have passed say 1200 then you could assume its the full whack?

Just guessing here tho. Does anyone know how many passed the last assessment center stage? Could gather from that they would put the same amount through for this one if they intend to appoint 370, if its lower can assume the worst that they will only take on 100?

Get yourself over to the '1309 Campaign IST & AC Numbers' thread, a few below this one and all your questions will be answered

it's pretty interesting.

monty46 · 13-01-2015 1:02pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Has anyone asked for numbers passing through the AC yet? From that we could gather what their intensions are, for example if say 500-700 passed you could assume it would be for 100 officers taking those dropping out into consideration etc? OR if they have passed say 1200 then you could assume its the full whack?

Just guessing here tho. Does anyone know how many passed the last assessment center stage? Could gather from that they would put the same amount through for this one if they intend to appoint 370, if its lower can assume the worst that they will only take on 100?

There were around 700 i think passed the assesment centre from the 1309 campaign

KevBo2015 · 13-01-2015 1:06pm

Ah thanks guys, interesting indeed. If there were arounf 700 passed the AC last time and they are appointing a full 370 officers, you could imagine they will do the same this go around too. Which would essentially mean despite the politics being played they have the pool available for the FULL 370 officers which were supposed to be taken on.

I scored well in the AC but you don't know how many scored above you so its just a matter of waiting for the vetting forms, fingers crossed something this week.

QueenP · 13-01-2015 2:01pm

haha you've made me feel better now lol all saddos together woohoo ðŸ˜႒ yea it's just confirmation we need instead of all our speculating lol that's the worst part not knowing where we stand!

But yea as you've said everything's seemed positive so far long may it continue ðŸ˜႒

fish2690 · 15-01-2015 4:30pm

Gone very quiet....

HighburyLad · 15-01-2015 4:36pm

The final budget for 2015/16 is to be presented in Stormont and news reports have said it is good news for public services, so hopefully the PSNI will be included in the good news part, we'll know this afternoon or later, but no doubt it will be in the news, maybe everyone is just patiently waiting like me on something positive being announced to put our minds at rest lol, here's hoping anyway

Goonerdee · 15-01-2015 4:36pm

fish2690 wrote: »

Gone very quiet....

Everyone is nervously scouring news articles and local TV channels for any news on this budget.

Suzuka · 15-01-2015 4:44pm

I honestly think nothing will be said until the next policing board meeting on February 5th, would be nice if its earlier though lol

KevBo2015 · 15-01-2015 5:16pm

Think we are all just waiting for our own vetting forms to arrive, after the last round of calls seems the recruitment belt has fired back up after christmas and things are moving along.... I guess we will just have to wait, wait and wait some more like the poor souls before us. Here is hoping we hear some good news soon on numbers.

Goonerdee · 15-01-2015 5:29pm

Do you get the vetting forms before the pca?

KevBo2015 · 15-01-2015 5:46pm

Nearly sure you get the vetting forms with an invite to the PCA? In the email it says the running order is vetting forms first, PCA, medical etc etc.

Suzuka · 15-01-2015 5:52pm

I'm not 100% sure either but would make sense seeing how long vetting takes

HighburyLad · 15-01-2015 6:05pm

"Our Budget has not been keeping pace with inflation with the Executive’s Resource budget effectively reduced by 1.6 per cent.
Add to that the well-publicised pressures in Health, Justice, Enterprise and other Departments, and a difficult job is made almost impossible.

Yet, in spite of these seemingly insurmountable challenges, the Executive has agreed this draft Budget for 2015-16. It is by no means an ideal Budget. The range of pressures we confronted
required £872 million worth of reductions to our resource budget. Adjustments of that degree necessitate tough choices and difficult
decisions. But the Executive has faced up to the harsh reality of our financial position and prioritised key public services like health,
job creation, education and policing through £659 million of resource allocations."

http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/budget

Theres the proposed draft budget folks, don't know if this is the one that is to be or has been signed off on, but the paragraph I quoted seems good, or better than before regarding police.

Razer33 · 15-01-2015 7:08pm

HighburyLad wrote: »

"Our Budget has not been keeping pace with inflation with the Executive’s Resource budget effectively reduced by 1.6 per cent.
Add to that the well-publicised pressures in Health, Justice, Enterprise and other Departments, and a difficult job is made almost impossible.

Yet, in spite of these seemingly insurmountable challenges, the Executive has agreed this draft Budget for 2015-16. It is by no means an ideal Budget. The range of pressures we confronted
required £872 million worth of reductions to our resource budget. Adjustments of that degree necessitate tough choices and difficult
decisions. But the Executive has faced up to the harsh reality of our financial position and prioritised key public services like health,
job creation, education and policing through £659 million of resource allocations."

Theres the proposed draft budget folks, don't know if this is the one that is to be or has been signed off on, but the paragraph I quoted seems good, or better than before regarding police.

Hopefully it is good, is it too early to make heads or tails of this and what it actually means for the police? I suppose we may just have to wait until the policing board meeting to find that out.

Suzuka · 15-01-2015 7:21pm

Sounded positive on UTV there, no real details mind

fish2690 · 15-01-2015 7:27pm

Suzuka wrote: »

Sounded positive on UTV there, no real details mind

I dozed off

long day. What was said?

HighburyLad · 15-01-2015 7:28pm

Suzuka wrote: »

Sounded positive on UTV there, no real details mind

Damn just missed it there on the news, I was waiting for it and then had to do something and must have missed it lol

Suzuka · 15-01-2015 7:29pm

fish2690 wrote: »

I dozed off long day. What was said?

Just the politics guy saying what departments did well from the budget and that DoJ may have got some money aswell in relation to Policing. Simon Hamilton is announcing something officially about the entire budget in detail on Monday they said

fish2690 · 15-01-2015 7:31pm

Suzuka wrote: »

Just the politics guy saying what departments did well from the budget and that DoJ may have got some money aswell in relation to Policing. Simon Hamilton is announcing something officially about the entire budget in detail on Monday they said

Cheers. Heard the word 'policing' and quickly woke up but had missed it

HighburyLad · 15-01-2015 7:42pm

Yeah seen he will make an announcement on the specifics on Monday, just checked online there on the UTV news site, hopefully whatever may be the outcome it means recruitment will continue as originally planned with the full 378

QueenP · 15-01-2015 8:22pm

Guys all I heard was a bunch of words and fluffing about but nothing too substantial! Or else I'm too tired to concentrate lol. I meant to say yesterday there was an article in a newspaper saying about another budget cutting strategy...switching off the heating in stations.

If all this is a pr stunt like Highbury lad said a while ago to get the budget reinstated it's flipping good!

pb82 · 15-01-2015 8:24pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Nearly sure you get the vetting forms with an invite to the PCA? In the email it says the running order is vetting forms first, PCA, medical etc etc.

I got my vetting forms in may and didn't get my pca invitation until the end of june

warofattrition · 15-01-2015 8:42pm

pb82 wrote: »

I got my vetting forms in may and didn't get my pca invitation until the end of june

I got my vetting forms then PCA date 2 days later

the411 · 15-01-2015 8:46pm

The statement the Chief made in Oct, regarding our campaign, was as follows:

'The recruitment plans will basically be turned down to a trickle because we have some contractual arrangements with the outsourced provider and so will cut, probably by 50%, the number of officers coming in over the course of this competition.'

I doubt this would change. I assume he will only take roughly 100 from 14050.

Razer33 · 15-01-2015 10:39pm

the411 wrote: »

The statement the Chief made in Oct, regarding our campaign, was as follows:

'The recruitment plans will basically be turned down to a trickle because we have some contractual arrangements with the outsourced provider and so will cut, probably by 50%, the number of officers coming in over the course of this competition.'

I doubt this would change. I assume he will only take roughly 100 from 14050.

Depending on the outcome of this budget agreement and whether/how much the police budget is protected by it may well change, these comments were made in October when any financial deal wasn't even close to happening. I guess time will tell.

Rezone · 16-01-2015 2:23pm

I take it no one at all from this campaign has received any forms or dates?

the411 · 16-01-2015 6:34pm

Nothing yet. The forum is very quiet...

HighburyLad · 16-01-2015 7:13pm

It's eerily quiet, I gotta admit this second campaign in comparison to the first is so much quieter lol, at one point this place was constant, this is kinda what it was like when I first joined when we were hoping the moratorium on recruitment would end and it did and the place was hiving lol which was awesome.

I suppose if the first campaign is now pretty much towards the end, so its naturally became quieter, hopefully when vetting comes out and more info is released on recruitment numbers etc maybe it may create a buzz, I'm off work this week which makes it even worse I think lol, gym and just waiting on word of something.

Mop a top · 16-01-2015 8:49pm

Lol highbury that's only cos I'm not on here as much :P

HighburyLad · 16-01-2015 9:34pm

Mop a top wrote: »

Lol highbury that's only cos I'm not on here as much :P

Lol, think we're all a bit like that now Mop, you understandably a bit more so, but once your in and when the final folks of campaign 1 are in too, it'll be deathly quiet on here, and that's understandble, as everyone will be busy training and hopefully I'll be one of them this campaign

the411 · 16-01-2015 10:57pm

I thought there would have been more people from campaign 2 on

KevBo2015 · 16-01-2015 11:12pm

I guess we're just lurking waiting for vetting forms or news on the budget. All up in the air at the moment.

Suzuka · 17-01-2015 12:10am

Wonder how many from intake 8 and 9 who got calls were also in for campaign 2, effectively freeing up to 80 spaces

Goonerdee · 17-01-2015 12:11am

Suzuka wrote: »

Wonder how many from intake 8 and 9 who got calls were also in for campaign 2, effectively freeing up to 80 spaces

Here's hoping.

pb82 · 17-01-2015 12:11am

Suzuka wrote: »

Wonder how many from intake 8 and 9 who got calls were also in for campaign 2, effectively freeing up to 80 spaces

I didn't go for the campaign 2 assessment centre

QueenP · 17-01-2015 12:18am

I know quite a few people who applied this time round that where in the last campaign. I know 3 who failed the ist and then another who 4 didn't need to do their ac cause they got the call. So there's 7 out of the campaign and that's only who I know. If we all added up who we knew etc there would be a right few not in the running now I'd say.
Maybe that would be why it's so quiet. Also ppl probably don't wanna incriminate themselves by being on this. I spent over a year stalking this forum before I joined up. And I know a couple of others who stalk it to but aren't on it if ya get me....or are they lol

I read somewhere ages ago I think on here that over 10,000 odd applied for the two campaigns. So if u count it up we know that there where 7,500 in c1 then that leaves roughly 2500 for this campaign minus the 7 I know lol. So that'll bring the amount of boarders down too. You'd think I had better things to do on a Friday night lol

WannabePC · 17-01-2015 12:26am

Yeah there could of been a few that were in the mix for this campaign as well as the first but some may of not applied again. Others probably were thinking they were in and some might of failed the IST or the AC even though they did pass it before. If only I could of been sitting at the stage I am for the last campaign, I reckon I'd be at GV by now!

Also, if you all didn't see the post I made in another thread, a guy that I know whose in the mix for this campaign too put in a FOI for numbers passed at stages etc for campaigns 1 and 2!! So as soon as he gets it and sends me the info, I'll post the figures straight away to see how we all stand at present!!

QueenP · 17-01-2015 12:47am

WannabePC wrote: »

Yeah there could of been a few that were in the mix for this campaign as well as the first but some may of not applied again. Others probably were thinking they were in and some might of failed the IST or the AC even though they did pass it before. If only I could of been sitting at the stage I am for the last campaign, I reckon I'd be at GV by now!

Also, if you all didn't see the post I made in another thread, a guy that I know whose in the mix for this campaign too put in a FOI for numbers passed at stages etc for campaigns 1 and 2!! So as soon as he gets it and sends me the info, I'll post the figures straight away to see how we all stand at present!!

There's an foi online somewhere for the first two stages of campaign 1. It's broken down into male and females. Shows the number that applied, got invitations to ist and ac, the no shows and the failures. Probs can't publish the other stages cause they r ongoing. Like u said it wud be good to see this campaigns numbers, would help us put our chances into perspective

WannabePC · 17-01-2015 1:15am

QueenP wrote: »

There's an foi online somewhere for the first two stages of campaign 1. It's broken down into male and females. Shows the number that applied, got invitations to ist and ac, the no shows and the failures. Probs can't publish the other stages cause they r ongoing. Like u said it wud be good to see this campaigns numbers, would help us put our chances into perspective

Yeah I seen that somewhere. I think it was 750 odd passed the AC but it didn't give any more info than that. It would be interesting to find out how many passed everything and were put on the merit list for campaign 1 and the to see how many people passed the AC stage of campaign 2 as well. Hopefully it's no more than 500 because that would soon be cut down after PCA's and medicals etc and we'd all be in a great position if the funding comes through!!

Razer33 · 17-01-2015 1:47am

Personally, and i can only speak for myself here, i am not posting as much simply because i feel slightly guilty if i get optimistic or in any way excited or anxious about campaign 2 due to this looming spectre of budget issues. I didnt get past campaign 1's AC and while that was a disappointment went away and worked at where i fell down and its fairly disheartening to know that potentially there are a lot of people who may have done the same could miss out if the police dont have the money they need.

KevBo2015 · 17-01-2015 10:01am

I know a few who were in both campaigns, both got the call, one failed medical so never went to the 2nd AC, appealed his medical and passed it! So I am sure the numbers are high for those who drop out etc.

Its quite I think as like others have said, people don't want to build themselves up and be disapointed. I have seen a few stories on the boards where people post after having failed and it just crushes them. I for one failed last years IST with a score that would have passed this years... and it was devastating to say the least.

Thankfully passed the IST this time around and managed to get myself an A* in the A C, so think I would be in the first squad. However its all so up in the air and just trying to stay focused on the next stage, still work to be done for us all. Nothing will be appreciated, relaxed or celebrated until I am shaking the hand of the C C at passout, whenever that may be.

Edit. Typo

fish2690 · 17-01-2015 11:15am

Just to lighten the mood here... Does anybody know there used to be a PSNI tv show called 'Road Patrol NI'? It's on YouTube. Give it a watch!

Mop a top · 17-01-2015 11:18am

KevBo2015 if I were you I'd be concentrating on training for your PCA. I think we had about 5 weeks from vetting forms had to be returned to PCA date. You get 2 weeks to complete the forms. Congrats on the awesome AC score

KevBo2015 · 17-01-2015 11:23am

Thanks Mop a top! Have started training away for the PCA doing about 5/6 days a week mostly cardio circuits type work, lots of boxing, skipping and burpies (what a killer!) involved. Have you any tips on training for the PCA yourself? Been following your story from before I joined the forum (long time lurker!) and hope you get the call! Talk about being through the ringer and back...

QueenP · 17-01-2015 2:40pm

Boardies, google news psni recruitment. A Belfast telegraph article will come up. £22million for psni

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