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Dtp1979 · 11-01-2015 08:08PM

cocoman wrote: »

Ya I'd say that it would suck some of the heat from the living room into the bedroom. Also ia vent would allow noise travel aswell - not good if there's a TV on and someone wants to sleep.

I'd be more worried about a seal leaking on the flue or a door seal leaking and how easy it would be for carbon monoxide to travel up to the bedroom.

Jane98 · 11-01-2015 09:06PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I'd be more worried about a seal leaking on the flue or a door seal leaking and how easy it would be for carbon monoxide to travel up to the bedroom.

Cheers. Never even thought about that. Decision made now!

Dtp1979 · 11-01-2015 09:31PM

Jane98 wrote: »

Cheers. Never even thought about that. Decision made now!

Make sure you install co detectors when your stove goes in

SoapFan27 · 12-01-2015 12:47PM

Hi, has anyone bought a Ruby inset (non boiler) stove from King Fireplaces in Athy? It is 5-6KW.

Image here:- http://www.kingfireplaces.ie/products/stoves/ruby_inset_stoves/in-category/inset_stove/

Can't find any reviews online.

Any feedback appreciated. thanks!

therealmccoy · 12-01-2015 02:08PM

liam7831 wrote: »

Lads, iv settled on a Firebird Troy Inset Stove with back boiler for 5 double rads & 5 singles. Im replacing an open fire with back boiler that's not working.Any feedback on these would be really appreciated? I was going to get a "hi flame" but I see they are manufactured in China which put me off.

Based on the rads you have, the Firebird wont be able to do them all.
Firebird are not the best brand on Solid Fuel Stoves anyway.

For what you're looking for, you will struggle to find a standard inset boiler to do it. You'd need to look at Kratki or Hestia (Eurpean Built Stoves), but these are physically big stoves so bear that in mind.

Other option is to zone the heating so heat upstairs/downstairs rads separately. then a smaller output stove such as a Henley, Stratford OR Inis would do the finest. Something VERY important to take into consideration is the size of the room that the stove is going into. Inset Boiler Stoves are notorious for giving little heat to the room, so if the room is quite big then stop and have a think about that.

therealmccoy · 12-01-2015 02:09PM

howman wrote: »

am a fan of the landscape type designs....don't need a big unit but they look nice!

with installation, floor level or raised 2/3 ft ?

The problem you'll find is that the more landscape you go, the higher the heat output will be. (Not a major problem as the heat you get will always be relative to the amount of fuel you burn).

Have you an opening suitable for a landscape inset stove?

therealmccoy · 12-01-2015 04:17PM

SoapFan27 wrote: »

Hi, has anyone bought a Ruby inset (non boiler) stove from King Fireplaces in Athy? It is 5-6KW.

Image here:- http://www.kingfireplaces.ie/products/stoves/ruby_inset_stoves/in-category/inset_stove/

Can't find any reviews online.

Any feedback appreciated. thanks!

I've never heard of it, and I'd be sceptical in terms of service/spare parts.

However, it does look identical to the Henley Apollo, and Henley is a top brand with a good reputation. Circa the same price, so I'd be much more comfortable with the Henley.

Big Nelly · 13-01-2015 12:03PM

Hi guys

I think I asked this before on the forum but never seen this thread. Dohhhh..

I done up house in 2008, insulated slabbed the external walls, replaced all the rads. I then changed the old oil boiler in 2011-12 to Gas Condenser boiler which is great. Only thing which is still not great is attic insulation but that is another days work

Anyway the fireplace we put in was nice looking and cheap at the time as we forgot it out of the budget for doing up the house. It is absolutely useless for heat. Everything goes straight up chimney. I want to swap out for stove.

There is no back boiler installed at the moment, would there be advantage to putting one in?

Has anyone heard/seen of the Dimplex insert? seen this online and looks good price: http://www.heitonbuckley.ie/plumbing-and-heating/product/dimplex-insert-stove-non-boiler

SoapFan27 · 13-01-2015 12:46PM

therealmccoy wrote: »

I've never heard of it, and I'd be sceptical in terms of service/spare parts.

However, it does look identical to the Henley Apollo, and Henley is a top brand with a good reputation. Circa the same price, so I'd be much more comfortable with the Henley.

Thanks for replying. Yes I am not too comfortable about the lack of info online about this. They have a youtube video about lighting it which was re-assuring about the function side but for spares and replacement etc as you say, it is worrying. I am visiting showroom this saturday so will see what they say.

Thanks for the Henley suggestion, will look at that also.

padraig.od · 13-01-2015 04:20PM

padraig.od wrote: »

We're currently looking at stoves for a new home non-inset, with an external air input. We plan to have between 10 - 12 standard rads heated from the back boiler. We also plan on having the stove heat the room. Room is pretty large with a vaulted ceiling so getting heat into the room will be important.

Our plumber has recommended Stanley Lismore or Erin stoves. I like the Lismore but was wondering if someone could suggest a couple of alternatives, so I could size up all of my options. We have a budget in mind (1500 - 2000) but could stretch if the product was good enough.

Any help appreciated

Can anyone offer an alternative to the Standley Lismore? Do you think the plumber has suggested a large enough stove given the number of rads to be heated?

mags16 · 14-01-2015 12:04AM

Well I've bitten the bullet and ordered a Stovax Riva 50 inset stove. The installer is doing all the right things, I think. Air vent, co alarm (though I already have one in the room in question), chimney liner. Installation is pencilled in for 2 weeks time.

I'm keen to have the stove raised a bit so that it is like a hole in the wall. Installer will plaster all around and lay new tiles on the hearth. All the brochures show inset stoves fitted flush to the wall when, in fact, in order to prevent plaster cracking with the heat, you need to put a border of tiles, granite, slate around the stove. I really didn't like what one showroom had - really unfinished looking.

Do any of you nice boarders have a similar set up? What did you choose? I was in tile style earlier and they had 10 x10 cm matt black tiles, one side with a curved edge. That might work.

therealmccoy · 14-01-2015 12:29PM

Big Nelly wrote: »

Hi guys

I think I asked this before on the forum but never seen this thread. Dohhhh..

I done up house in 2008, insulated slabbed the external walls, replaced all the rads. I then changed the old oil boiler in 2011-12 to Gas Condenser boiler which is great. Only thing which is still not great is attic insulation but that is another days work

Anyway the fireplace we put in was nice looking and cheap at the time as we forgot it out of the budget for doing up the house. It is absolutely useless for heat. Everything goes straight up chimney. I want to swap out for stove.

There is no back boiler installed at the moment, would there be advantage to putting one in?

Has anyone heard/seen of the Dimplex insert? seen this online and looks good price: http://www.heitonbuckley.ie/plumbing-and-heating/product/dimplex-insert-stove-non-boiler

You'd need to get a good plumber out to have a look at your plumbing to see how a boiler stove could connect, however, it will probably be quite expensive as you could have to change your hot water cylinder. So you could be looking at a couple of thousand before you even consider a stove/flue.

The dimplex is ok, not great. Perfect if your room is very small. The firebox is tiny. But if it is bigger than 12x12 I'd suggest something bigger. Personally speaking, I love the Henley Apollo 5, great stove with large firebox & big glass front.

How big is the room you would be looking to heat?

therealmccoy · 14-01-2015 12:36PM

padraig.od wrote: »

Can anyone offer an alternative to the Standley Lismore? Do you think the plumber has suggested a large enough stove given the number of rads to be heated?

That stove will not give you enough heat to the room. <5kw to a room with a vaulted ceiling is pointless.

The best stove you could put in is the Inis Meain MK2. The reason I say this is that it will comfortably heat the rads/water for you but also give you up to 9kw to the room as well. By far the largest heat output to room in a boiler stove.
This retails around €1850

Big Nelly · 14-01-2015 12:57PM

therealmccoy wrote: »

You'd need to get a good plumber out to have a look at your plumbing to see how a boiler stove could connect, however, it will probably be quite expensive as you could have to change your hot water cylinder. So you could be looking at a couple of thousand before you even consider a stove/flue.

The dimplex is ok, not great. Perfect if your room is very small. The firebox is tiny. But if it is bigger than 12x12 I'd suggest something bigger. Personally speaking, I love the Henley Apollo 5, great stove with large firebox & big glass front.

How big is the room you would be looking to heat?

Think I am going to leave the back boiler. Too much cost and only brand new gas boiler installed and spent a good few grand only 2-3 years ago on that. Also just put in Climote to try and reduce the amount of time we turn it on

The room is probably 8m x 4m.....it is a small room so wont take much to heat it. What I would like to do is open door at night and let the stove take a bit of the chill out of the house, so probably looking at bigger firebox.

Also can get logs from Cavan which normally are quite big as both my brother have huge stoves so they just fire them in......no point trying to cut them up

Trying to find a good installer to price and having difficulty....seen this van on M50 this morning, any idea if good? http://www.fireplaceman.ie/index.html

My mate got http://kingfireplaces.ie/ to install? any good?

I guess this is the stove you are talking about: http://www.irelandstoves.ie/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=178

therealmccoy · 14-01-2015 02:06PM

It's a big enough room you have all the same, theoretically I'd be recommending a minimum of 7kw. What size is the fire opening?

Big Nelly wrote: »

Think I am going to leave the back boiler. Too much cost and only brand new gas boiler installed and spent a good few grand only 2-3 years ago on that. Also just put in Climote to try and reduce the amount of time we turn it on

The room is probably 8m x 4m.....it is a small room so wont take much to heat it. What I would like to do is open door at night and let the stove take a bit of the chill out of the house, so probably looking at bigger firebox.

Also can get logs from Cavan which normally are quite big as both my brother have huge stoves so they just fire them in......no point trying to cut them up

Trying to find a good installer to price and having difficulty....seen this van on M50 this morning, any idea if good? http://www.fireplaceman.ie/index.html

My mate got http://kingfireplaces.ie/ to install? any good?

I guess this is the stove you are talking about: http://www.irelandstoves.ie/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=178

gomamochi1 · 14-01-2015 02:48PM

therealmccoy wrote: »

You'd need to get a good plumber out to have a look at your plumbing to see how a boiler stove could connect, however, it will probably be quite expensive as you could have to change your hot water cylinder. So you could be looking at a couple of thousand before you even consider a stove/flue.

The dimplex is ok, not great. Perfect if your room is very small. The firebox is tiny. But if it is bigger than 12x12 I'd suggest something bigger. Personally speaking, I love the Henley Apollo 5, great stove with large firebox & big glass front.

How big is the room you would be looking to heat?

Had a Dimplex inset for a few weeks and took it out as pure crap heat output! Better heat out of stove if there is airflow around it!

Big Nelly · 14-01-2015 03:22PM

therealmccoy wrote: »

It's a big enough room you have all the same, theoretically I'd be recommending a minimum of 7kw. What size is the fire opening?

Not 100% sure, I threw a tape on it last night and it was under 16" but that was from one side to another on the inside of back plate....I guess when you pull that out it would be 16". The house was build in 60-70's so I would guess it is standard 16"?

Maybe my room size head measurement is a bit off, would be closer to 4-5m by 3-4m....

kennypowers · 14-01-2015 03:25PM

Having used this forum to great effect in the last few years I would like to give some feedback on my install as it may benefit someone.
Have 2200 sq foot dormer, well insulated pumped cavity and well insulated attic.Wanted to install back boiler stove but plumber said it would be a waste of money and to install a stovax dry stove and use the oil central heating as a boost when needed.
Not having a stovax stockist near me I went with the boru 500.I installed it as per instructions in this thread ,lined the flu and backfilled with vermiculite etc. The stove gives off great heat and as the room its in is open plan, its excellent for heat dissipation.The controls are very straightforward to use although they are poorly finished in my opinion.
The big glass frontage is one of the reasons I picked this stove I could watch it all evening.I did have to change the glass after a few months as it frosted up .This I think was caused by me putting cleaning agent on to still hot glass.New glass in a few weeks ,cleaning with warm water only when cool.Fingers crossed still clear.
Fuel usage is not an exact science but we would use a bag of turf and maybe 2/3 well seasoned logs for a twelve hour + burn.
The riddling system is worse than useless and compares poorly to other manufacturers but is not a del breaker for me.The fire box is huge and allows me to burn big logs of timber so it save me a lot of time cutting timber to smaller pieces.
Not a stove capable of overnight burn but I load it up before bed and downstairs is nice temp in morning.We use the oil central heating on really cold mornings for an hour to heat upstairs rooms.As this winter has been so mild we have not used it once.
This is my experience and hope it has been helpful.

kennypowers · 14-01-2015 03:31PM

Having used this forum to great effect in the last few years I would like to give some feedback on my install as it may benefit someone.
Have 2200 sq foot dormer, well insulated pumped cavity and well insulated attic.Wanted to install back boiler stove but plumber said it would be a waste of money and to install a stovax dry stove and use the oil central heating as a boost when needed.
Not having a stovax stockist near me I went with the boru 500.I installed it as per instructions in this thread ,lined the flu and backfilled with vermiculite etc. The stove gives off great heat and as the room its in is open plan, its excellent for heat dissipation.The controls are very straightforward to use although they are poorly finished in my opinion.
The big glass frontage is one of the reasons I picked this stove I could watch it all evening.I did have to change the glass after a few months as it frosted up .This I think was caused by me putting cleaning agent on to still hot glass.New glass in a few weeks ,cleaning with warm water only when cool.Fingers crossed still clear.
Fuel usage is not an exact science but we would use a bag of turf and maybe 2/3 well seasoned logs for a twelve hour + burn.
The riddling system is worse than useless and compares poorly to other manufacturers but is not a del breaker for me.The fire box is huge and allows me to burn big logs of timber so it save me a lot of time cutting timber to smaller pieces.
Not a stove capable of overnight burn but I load it up before bed and downstairs is nice temp in morning.We use the oil central heating on really cold mornings for an hour to heat upstairs rooms.As this winter has been so mild we have not used it once.
This is my experience and hope it has been helpful.

trigger78 · 14-01-2015 08:27PM

Looks like what I'm going to get done. Any finished pics also is it worth it

bigdawg · 15-01-2015 12:17AM

mags16 wrote: »

Well I've bitten the bullet and ordered a Stovax Riva 50 inset stove. The installer is doing all the right things, I think. Air vent, co alarm (though I already have one in the room in question), chimney liner. Installation is pencilled in for 2 weeks time.

I'm keen to have the stove raised a bit so that it is like a hole in the wall. Installer will plaster all around and lay new tiles on the hearth. All the brochures show inset stoves fitted flush to the wall when, in fact, in order to prevent plaster cracking with the heat, you need to put a border of tiles, granite, slate around the stove. I really didn't like what one showroom had - really unfinished looking.

Do any of you nice boarders have a similar set up? What did you choose? I was in tile style earlier and they had 10 x10 cm matt black tiles, one side with a curved edge. That might work.

Yes. I have this done in our sitting room. You'd have to put a border of granite around the stove. That has to be made up of separate granite cuts all tacked onto a backing and put up as a complete surround. The separate granite pieces allow the stone to expand. I got it done in a fireplace crowd. Cost about 250 for the complete unit which was not bad considering there are 8 pieces of granite and they all have to have their edges chamfered so that they match in together. I can email you a pic if you pm me your address. We then wall papered the rest of the chimney Brest and whilst it gets a bit warm, the granite takes most of the heat.

mags16 · 15-01-2015 10:16AM

bigdawg wrote: »

I can email you a pic if you pm me your address. We then wall papered the rest of the chimney Brest and whilst it gets a bit warm, the granite takes most of the heat.

Thanks a million for the reply. It sounds like a nice job. I've just pm-ed you my email.

kennypowers · 15-01-2015 12:35PM

trigger78 wrote: »

Looks like what I'm going to get done. Any finished pics also is it worth it

Yeah very happy with it .Cant post pictures.pm me an I can e ail one on.Cost overall about 1350 euro.

Big Nelly · 15-01-2015 01:06PM

http://www.rightpricetiles.ie/stoves/index.php?CatID=10&SubCatID=3

Any of these good?

paulers06 · 15-01-2015 01:11PM

A very basic question i'm sure but...

I've started burning coal/cosy glo gems in my Dovre 250 as an alternative to wood. I've been closing the top air vent and opening the bottom when the fire gets going. Is this correct? Any guides i've read indicate that you should only use the bottom vent when starting the fire which works fine for wood but the coal doesn't give off much heat if I only use the top. Thanks

Robbie.G · 15-01-2015 01:36PM

paulers06 wrote: »

A very basic question i'm sure but...

I've started burning coal/cosy glo gems in my Dovre 250 as an alternative to wood. I've been closing the top air vent and opening the bottom when the fire gets going. Is this correct? Any guides i've read indicate that you should only use the bottom vent when starting the fire which works fine for wood but the coal doesn't give off much heat if I only use the top. Thanks

You use the top vent for wood burning only
For coal and other fuels use the bottom vent

paulers06 · 15-01-2015 02:40PM

great thanks

Blowheads · 15-01-2015 07:32PM

Hi All, great thread..
House built in 2007 with open fire. Too much wind noise and a waste of fuel being sucked up the chimney have pushed me to look for a stove..
Looking at an Inis Boffin insert stove. There is a good sale on them in GWY until end Jan BTW.
Was recommended to install a flexi flue but they are quite expensive-450

2 qtns.
Any recommended installers in Galway (Tuam area)
Do we really need the flexi flue? There is no issue currently with the chimney as we light the odd fire there without issues

bigdawg · 15-01-2015 09:36PM

Blowheads wrote: »

Hi All, great thread..
House built in 2007 with open fire. Too much wind noise and a waste of fuel being sucked up the chimney have pushed me to look for a stove..
Looking at an Inis Boffin insert stove. There is a good sale on them in GWY until end Jan BTW.
Was recommended to install a flexi flue but they are quite expensive-450

2 qtns.
Any recommended installers in Galway (Tuam area)
Do we really need the flexi flue? There is no issue currently with the chimney as we light the odd fire there without issues

You should send a PM to TheRealMcCoy (on this thread). He's from that neck of the woods and is familiar with those stoves also. Im sure he'll put you right.

15-01-2015 10:20PM

Blowheads wrote: »

Hi All, great thread..
House built in 2007 with open fire. Too much wind noise and a waste of fuel being sucked up the chimney have pushed me to look for a stove..
Looking at an Inis Boffin insert stove. There is a good sale on them in GWY until end Jan BTW.
Was recommended to install a flexi flue but they are quite expensive-450

2 qtns.
Any recommended installers in Galway (Tuam area)
Do we really need the flexi flue? There is no issue currently with the chimney as we light the odd fire there without issues

What's the sale price?

Gordons in Kilkerrin had Inis boffin insets for 850 a few months ago.

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