anyone watching that <snip> on prime time

drumswan · 08-01-2015 10:41pm

anncoates wrote: »

Was a little bit tabloid to wheel on such a hateful, hateful person like him at such volatile time.

Normal Muslims all over the country must have been rocking back and forth with their heads in their hands.

What do you mean 'normal Muslims', this guy is the spokesperson for the Islamic cultural centre and a trinity professor. This is what normal Muslims believe.

iDave · 08-01-2015 10:42pm

anncoates wrote: »

Bit unfair. He was essentially ranting in a paroxysm of hatred. How can you reason with that?

Ye i felt she was completely taken aback by him as if she never heard such bluntness before. Her voice was shaking as she closed the show.
Vincent Browne would of handled it better i.e. told him what a fool he is.

Gringo180 · 08-01-2015 10:42pm

Say what you want about the man. He won the argument. I dont agree with him or his ideology, but he made a few very good points.

malinheader · 08-01-2015 10:42pm

Be hard for anyone to interview or have a debate with someone as twisted as he was.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-01-2015 10:43pm

If that's what a Trinity Professor thinks then I think we may need to re examine who the **** we are bringing into this country.

anncoates · 08-01-2015 10:43pm

drumswan wrote: »

What do you mean 'normal Muslims', this guy is the spokesperson for the Islamic cultural centre and a trinity professor. This is what normal Muslims believe.

Like all Irish Catholics believe the stuff the Catholic extremists come out with?

My name is URL · 08-01-2015 10:44pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Say what you want about the man. He won the argument. I dont agree with him or his ideology, but he made a few very good points.

But they're all rooted in bullshit

drumswan · 08-01-2015 10:44pm

anncoates wrote: »

Like all Irish Catholics believe the stuff the Catholic extremists come out with?

Wait, are we talking about Dr Ali Selim here? Or did I miss a guest?

Gringo180 · 08-01-2015 10:45pm

My name is URL wrote: »

But they're all rooted in bullshit

Care to elaborate?

K4t · 08-01-2015 10:45pm

Zamboni wrote: »

Parents, Teachers, HR Departments, Police, Courts, Boards Mods, Editors shall I continue?

Please don't. I am sufficiently terrified.

When will people realise and understand that freedom of expression has never harmed anybody, nor ever will.

iDave · 08-01-2015 10:45pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Say what you want about the man. He won the argument. I dont agree with him or his ideology, but he made a few very good points.

Out witted Miriam but had nothing useful to say. Islamic Michael Graham talk loudly and quickly and never say anything rational.

anncoates · 08-01-2015 10:46pm

drumswan wrote: »

Wait, are we talking about Dr Ali Selim here? Or did I miss a guest?

You're saying here that every Muslim out there gets behind what Choudary was saying?

Drexel · 08-01-2015 10:46pm

anncoates wrote: »

Like all Irish Catholics believe the stuff the Catholic extremists come out with?

That guy isn't an extremist really though I think.

bjork · 08-01-2015 10:46pm

drumswan wrote: »

What do you mean 'normal Muslims', this guy is the spokesperson for the Islamic cultural centre and a trinity professor. This is what normal Muslims believe.

I'm waiting and hoping that the moderate muslims that frequent this forum turn up any second and pick apart his theories and why he doesn't represent them. It would give a good insight to the disconnect between the moderates and the crazies.

yipeeeee · 08-01-2015 10:46pm

I just can't see how Muslims like this can an exist along westerners, most countries has huge divides, only a matter of time it hits Ireland.

France, Germany, Spain, UK, all having big problems at the moment.

We're just different culturally, religiously, in most ways.

anncoates · 08-01-2015 10:47pm

iDave wrote: »

Out witted Miriam .

He just ranted at her

not yet · 08-01-2015 10:48pm

The most popular name 4 years running in Antwerp was Muhammad.

It's reckoned that in 25 years Sweden will be 51% Muslim as will some other European countries in 50 years..

6 million Muslims in France, Every single Muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the plant to Islam...

Run People, run away and don't come back..

The_Kew_Tour · 08-01-2015 10:49pm

not yet wrote: »

The most popular name 4 years running in Antwerp was Muhammad.

It's reckoned that in 25 years Sweden will be 51% Muslim as will some other European countries in 50 years..

6 million Muslims in France, Every single Muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the plant to Islam...

Run People, run away and don't come back..

Did not realise it was that bad in Sweden.

Yikes!

drumswan · 08-01-2015 10:50pm

anncoates wrote: »

Nope it was a general point.

You're saying here that every Muslim out there gets behind what Choudary was saying?

Sorry I thought you were talking about Ali Selim, not Choudary

My name is URL · 08-01-2015 10:50pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Really?

The whole reason that pictures cause 'offense' is because it's a taboo in Islam to depict the prophet

It's bullshit because he wants society as a whole to be subject to such taboos

edit: I think you might be talking about the other guy? In which case disregard!

emmetlego · 08-01-2015 10:51pm

drumswan wrote: »

Wait, are we talking about Dr Ali Selim here? Or did I miss a guest?

You missed a guest!!! A right nutjob in London… Name escapes me, but I know he is on the Met police radar.

anncoates · 08-01-2015 10:51pm

drumswan wrote: »

Sorry I thought you were talking about Ali Selim, not Choudary

No sorry, Choudary. I actually missed most of the other interview.

Choudary was the one I meant was ranting.

anncoates · 08-01-2015 10:54pm

emmetlego wrote: »

Name escapes me.

Choudary.

Nodin · 08-01-2015 10:54pm

not yet wrote: »

The most popular name 4 years running in Antwerp was Muhammad.

It's reckoned that in 25 years Sweden will be 51% Muslim as will some other European countries in 50 years..

6 million Muslims in France, Every single Muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the plant to Islam...

Run People, run away and don't come back..

If every muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the planet, why are the majority of French and German muslims non-practicing?

Zamboni · 08-01-2015 10:55pm

not yet wrote: »

The most popular name 4 years running in Antwerp was Muhammad.

It's reckoned that in 25 years Sweden will be 51% Muslim as will some other European countries in 50 years..

6 million Muslims in France, Every single Muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the plant to Islam...

Run People, run away and don't come back..

What are you scared of exactly?
Human being breed and die.
In the wider scheme of things its pretty irrelevant what retarded belief system is in place is any particular geographic location.

emmetlego · 08-01-2015 10:56pm

Nodin wrote: »

If every muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the planet, why are the majority of French and German muslims non-practicing?

Source please?

And what is "the majority"?

Vandango · 08-01-2015 10:56pm

drumswan wrote: »

What do you mean 'normal Muslims', this guy is the spokesperson for the Islamic cultural centre and a trinity professor. This is what normal Muslims believe.

If the Pope doesn't speak for all Irish Catholics, then it's probably safe to say he doesn't speak for all Irish Muslims. So I don't know what qualifies you to state that he does. Carry out a nationwide survey by any chance?

drumswan · 08-01-2015 10:58pm

Zamboni wrote: »

What are you scared of exactly?
Human being breed and die.
In the wider scheme of things its pretty irrelevant what retarded belief system is in place is any particular geographic location.

Silly statement of the half hour. Belief systems hugely influence the progression and quality of life of the societies who live with them.

emmetlego · 08-01-2015 10:58pm

Vandango wrote: »

If the Pope doesn't speak for all Irish Catholics, then it's probably safe to say he doesn't speak for all Irish Muslims. So I don't know what qualifies you to state that he does. Carry out a nationwide survey by any chance?

The pope would speak for most (70 +%) PRACTICING Irish Catholics.

Zamboni · 08-01-2015 11:01pm

drumswan wrote: »

Silly statement of the half hour. Belief systems hugely influence the progression and quality of life of the societies who live with them.

Be a good lad and open your mind a little.

My name is URL · 08-01-2015 11:01pm

"Freedom of speech is like water, you need it to live but if you drink too much of it you'll end up in hospital"

He couldn't have made that sound more menacing if he tried :pac:

Dyr · 08-01-2015 11:02pm

anncoates wrote: »

Was a little bit tabloid to wheel on such a hateful, hateful person like him at such volatile time.

Normal Muslims all over the country must have been rocking back and forth with their heads in their hands.

D'ya reckon? This sham isn't some tool on a street corner with a megaphone, he's part of the biggest mosque in the country so his views can't be that upsetting to the nice normal members of the muslim community in Ireland. I'd imagine the salafist community in Ireland will be four square behind this goon.

Cienciano · 08-01-2015 11:02pm

not yet wrote: »

The most popular name 4 years running in Antwerp was Muhammad.

It's reckoned that in 25 years Sweden will be 51% Muslim as will some other European countries in 50 years..

6 million Muslims in France, Every single Muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the plant to Islam...

Run People, run away and don't come back..

A quick search tells me Sweden has a population of 10 million. Amount of Muslims is 130,000. How will that get to 51% in just 25 years?
And as for france, any source I could find has half of what you said.

token101 · 08-01-2015 11:03pm

If people start posting these cartoons on Boards, will moderators start actively removing them as this puts them in a bad legal place with this blasphemy law?

KungPao · 08-01-2015 11:05pm

I'm so happy these people are in Europe. We have blown ourselves up since forever, then we are finally all friends and these people from a religion of peace come over.

Thanks guys, but you can all head home now. Cheerio.

bjork · 08-01-2015 11:05pm

Bambi wrote: »

D'ya reckon? This sham isn't some tool on a street corner with a megaphone, he's part of the biggest mosque in the country so his views can't be that upsetting to the nice normal members of the muslim community in Ireland. I'd imagine the salafist community in Ireland will be four square behind this goon.

The other prominent Muslin is the guy who's family went to Egypt to support the Muslim Brotherhood and his son is still in jail. Quite worrying representation for the moderate muslim community. I'm sure they be replaced by the end of the week for their extremist views.

drumswan · 08-01-2015 11:06pm

Zamboni wrote: »

Be a good lad and open your mind a little.

Ok chief, belief systems have no relevance to quality of life, literacy levels, health, birth rates, scientific progression or life expectancy. Oh wait they do and have been shown to directly influence all of these throughout history.

Dunce cap for you, go and stand in the corner.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-01-2015 11:07pm

Cienciano wrote: »

A quick search tells me Sweden has a population of 10 million. Amount of Muslims is 130,000. How will that get to 51% in just 25 years?
And as for france, any source I could find has half of what you said.

At present its meant to be more then that.

If UK keeps going the way it is it will be same by 2045. UK seem be doing something about it though soon enough.

So too will Germany if the latest marches in major cities ate anything to go by(although media describe them like Nazi marches)

Starscream25 · 08-01-2015 11:08pm

not yet wrote: »

The most popular name 4 years running in Antwerp was Muhammad.

It's reckoned that in 25 years Sweden will be 51% Muslim as will some other European countries in 50 years..

6 million Muslims in France, Every single Muslim on earth is hot wired to convert the plant to Islam...

Run People, run away and don't come back..

Sometimes I feel like the elves in The Lord of the rings, where at some point in the trilogy the elvish lord Hugo weaving was saying to gandalf I believe, that 'we are leaving these shores for sunnier pastures' kind of a way, yes I've written that terribly, but what I'm trying to say is that, the **** was hitting the fan in middle earth and the elves were fed up with how the orcs and Sauran were behaving and the only way to rid themselves of these problems was to leave.
Maybe the rest of humanity should embark on a journey that would leave these extremists and fundamentalists to their own devices.
Let's build spaceships....or just get me one

Paz-CCFC · 08-01-2015 11:08pm

Cienciano wrote: »

A quick search tells me Sweden has a population of 10 million. Amount of Muslims is 130,000. How will that get to 51% in just 25 years?
And as for france, any source I could find has half of what you said.

I'd imagine he's using two periods which show a rapid increase of Muslims in Norway and presuming that their population will grow at that rate exponentially. Which is, of course, ridiculous, as logic dictates that it'll level out in proportion with the general population. Otherwise, in 25 years after that, the Muslim population in Norway will reach over 200M.

Wibbs · 08-01-2015 11:10pm

My name is URL wrote: »

The whole reason that pictures cause 'offense' is because it's a taboo in Islam to depict the prophet

Kinda MniU. It's a little more than that and quite the different clash of cultures.

Most easy going folks in the west see Islam as "ah sure it's like Christianity" and it is in many ways, but in many ways it is most certainly not.

1) Christian texts from the very start of the faith in the 1st century were examined and open to interpretation, even change, as they were seen as divinely inspired, rather than divine. In Islam the Quran is seen as the direct word of god and as such is beyond external/historical interpretation.

2) Islam is a religion of society itself, in faith and politic and practical, the separation of faith and politics is beyond the Pale in Islam. While Christianity has been very political over the centuries, it retains the separation. IE nowhere in Islam will you find the equivalent of "my kingdom is not of this earth" or " give unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

Islam was born and bred of the middle east, an extension of Judaism and Christianity, Christianity was "blessed" to have been born of that area, but fostered as a small child by the Greco Roman world and it's philosophies(hence Christians can eat pork and not have boys mickeys mutilated as tenets of their faith. The historical Jesus would likely have a nuclear powered rabbinical shítfit about that)

3) it depends on the "Islam" you look at. Shia folks have little issue with portraits of people and animals, that's a Sunni thang. Cliff notes, as the Americans say and in Very broad strokes..: Shia = Catholics, in spirit and in taste. Sunni = Protestants, all the way from easy going anglicans to puritan fcukwits.

TL;DR? to a Muslim, even a laissez faire Muslim, any attack on their prophet hits deep, way deeper than your average European may think, even a religious one. It's more an insult to them, as much as to the faith/prophet.

SwiftJustice · 08-01-2015 11:10pm

token101 wrote: »

If people start posting these cartoons on Boards, will moderators start actively removing them as this puts them in a bad legal place with this blasphemy law?

Islam is a vile religion.

Areyouwell · 08-01-2015 11:10pm

emmetlego wrote: »

The pope would speak for most (70 +%) PRACTICING Irish Catholics.

So you surveyed 70% of all practicing Irish Catholics? Or is that just something you pulled out of your ass?

Cienciano · 08-01-2015 11:13pm

SwiftJustice wrote: »

Islam is a vile religion.

Can you post up something every hour so we know you're still alive?

Zamboni · 08-01-2015 11:16pm

drumswan wrote: »

Ok chief, belief systems have no relevance to quality of life, literacy levels, health, birth rates, scientific progression or life expectancy. Oh wait they do and have been shown to directly influence all of these throughout history.

Dunce cap for you, go and stand in the corner.

Nice. Attribute a whole bunch of things to me that I didn't say and then belittle me.
Quality in here doesn't change over time.

drumswan · 08-01-2015 11:19pm

Zamboni wrote: »

Nice. Attribute a whole bunch of things to me that I didn't say and then belittle me.
Quality in here doesn't change over time.

Heres what you said.

Zamboni wrote: »

What are you scared of exactly?
Human being breed and die.
In the wider scheme of things its pretty irrelevant what retarded belief system is in place is any particular geographic location.

Reading it again it sounds even sillier. Dont worry, we cant be on top of our game all the time.

Nodin · 08-01-2015 11:19pm

emmetlego wrote: »

Source please?

And what is "the majority"?

France
http://plus.lefigaro.fr/note/how-does-france-count-its-muslim-population-20110407-435643

Germany
http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/germany/

Richard · 08-01-2015 11:25pm

K4t wrote: »

Please don't. I am sufficiently terrified.

When will people realise and understand that freedom of expression has never harmed anybody, nor ever will.

The late Ian Paisley expressed himself quite freely and looks where that got us.

K4t · 08-01-2015 11:28pm

Richard wrote: »

The late Ian Paisley expressed himself quite freely and looks where that got us.

No place worse than if he did not have the right to freedom of expression.

Zamboni · 08-01-2015 11:28pm

drumswan wrote: »

Heres what you said.

The post I was responding to illustrated a fear of the spread of populations into Europe. There is nothing really to fear.
Many religions have existed on this island over the millennia longs before notions of nations. Animism, paganism, christianity. Peoples have come and gone.
My questions is what does it matter over time.
You might value scientific progress and the rest of your list in the here and now...Does it really matter what your great great children believe in?
It can be difficult for us to think outside of the human lifespan but it can offer some interesting perspective on human values.
For example, I have no further wish to trade insults with you

anyone watching that <snip> on prime time

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