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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    My point being, it's not really a place, and never will be. And that the poster was just throwing out as many bogeyman words as he could.

    they are certainly trying to make the “islamic state” a permanent place if the world lets them, and not just in the middle east...and they do indeed control some territory there already which would be their “islamic state” for now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    they are certainly trying to make the “islamic state” a permanent place if the world lets them, and not just in the middle east...and they do indeed control some territory there already which would be their “islamic state” for now...

    This is my point. The moderate & Shia Arab states plus Iran & Pakistan are not going to allow them to declare a caliphate in Iraq & Syria. Neither are the US/UK/NATO.

    EDIT: They may declare a caliphate, but it won't be recognised and will be fought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    This is my point. The moderate & Shia Arab states plus Iran & Pakistan are not going to allow them to declare a caliphate in Iraq & Syria. Neither are the US/UK/NATO.

    EDIT: They may declare a caliphate, but it won't be recognised and will be fought.

    i dont really see anybody making much of an effort now to stop them. Only the kurds have had any success. what are all those counties waiting for?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    it’s just that saying like “i’ll just have a look at an edl protest in england and i have seen some documentaries on pegida, that’s all the info i need, i know what’s going on” seems a tad retarded...

    I never said anything about documentaries on pegida.

    The retarded boat sailed long ago when people started creating their fantasies of Muslims ruling the world as all 1.6 billion of them seek to rule over us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    I never said anything about documentaries on pegida.
    [...]

    well, i was under the impression that in post #889 you were referring to documentaries about pegida...so what you really meant was that you have seen nothing about them and do not want to go see them in the flesh either, that you basically think seeing an edl protest will give you everything you might need to know about anything here...erm, okay...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    well, i was under the impression that in post #889 you were referring to documentaries about pegida...so what you really meant was that you have seen nothing about them and do not want to go see them in the flesh either, that you basically think seeing an edl protest will give you everything you might need to know about anything here...erm, okay...

    So come out and explain your position on the EDL then.

    Every other poster on here seems highly reticent about their opinions when it comes to the EDL. They demand we state if we're Sinn Feiners, or Hamas apologists, or Muslims, etc, but seem too insecure to state definitively if they support EDL. It seems unfair!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    This is my point. The moderate & Shia Arab states plus Iran & Pakistan are not going to allow them to declare a caliphate in Iraq & Syria. Neither are the US/UK/NATO.

    EDIT: They may declare a caliphate, but it won't be recognised and will be fought.

    Even al Qaeda do not recognise ISIS. A good thing would be if both organisations went to war with each other and annihilated each other without killing innocent people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    There's a flight to Cologne from Dublin at 17.50-20.45

    I'll pay for the flights and we can watch what goes down ourselves. We will watch together and report back to the Irish people together. F*ck it, I'm dying for a decent kebab/steak/curry. I'm the exact opposite of what you consider a Neo Nazi. Fancy clothes, hair, etc.

    Game? I'll even stand you a few drinks.

    Plenty of neo nazis wear suits.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    well, i was under the impression that in post #889 you were referring to documentaries about pegida...so what you really meant was that you have seen nothing about them and do not want to go see them in the flesh either, that you basically think seeing an edl protest will give you everything you might need to know about anything here...erm, okay...

    What is the difference between EDL and pegida? Other than one is German and the other English.

    By documentaries I mean that there has already been a time where a religious group was demonised in Germany. Think it was sometime in the 40s.
    Even al Qaeda do not recognise ISIS. A good thing would be if both organisations went to war with each other and annihilated each other without killing innocent people.

    Also in areas of ISIS/IS/ISIL control they have set up schools with their own curriculum, schools which many parents are boycotting. The biggest threat to ISIS currently is probably other Muslims.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69




    the problem with Robinson is he tells the truth, thats why he went to jail


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    nokia69 wrote: »

    So we're still posting propaganda from the EDL? Is it ok now to ask who supports the EDL? Or would that still be too insensitive of a question to the anti-Islam crowd here?

    Btw, did Robinson go to prison for standing by his noble principles and fighting against the establishment, or was he sent to prison for mortgage fraud?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Are there some similar protests coming up in Paris soon? I'll be there in the coming weeks for work so I'll be more than happy to visit a protest and take my camera.

    Yep. On the 18th. My French(five years worth of classes) is still extremely poor. You?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Yep. On the 18th. My French(five years worth of classes) is still extremely poor. You?

    When I speak French it looks like I'm channeling the spirit of Pepe le Pew. But I'd love to get out to one of these protests on the 18th. I'll check it up now.

    So what's the story with the EDL links, still ok to ask if you're/ others are a supporter of the group?

    And the attack on those migrants in the shopping centre by members of Pegida, or the huge anti-Pegida turnout this evening in Dresden, are they issues that would alter your view of the protest movement?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    My half sister is in there tonight. Shes a teen.

    No chants, no drinking, no slogans. The cathedral of Cologne will not be giving them lighting. Huge numbers on both sides.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    So we're still posting propaganda from the EDL? Is it ok now to ask who supports the EDL? Or would that still be too insensitive of a question to the anti-Islam crowd here?

    Btw, did Robinson go to prison for standing by his noble principles and fighting against the establishment, or was he sent to prison for mortgage fraud?

    watch the video and then point out any mistakes he makes, there won't be many because he knows what is is talking about

    mortgage fraud LOL

    the CPS spent over 3 years trawling through his finances, and held him on a £200 pw leash throughout those 3 years

    then CPS finally put him trial for tax evasion, and the CPS lost the case, how much taxpayer money did they waste in that Stasi style trial

    in the process, the CPS found out that TR had loaned his mother money to buy a house. So, the CPS were going to put his mother (dying of cancer) on trial for mortgage fraud. To prevent her being punished for his politics, he pleaded guilty to mortgage fraud

    how many people in the UK are guilty of mortgage fraud, its pretty clear that they want him to stop telling the truth, they may silence Robinson but in the long run the truth will always come out


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    nokia69 wrote: »
    watch the video and then point out any mistakes he makes, there won't be many because he knows what is is talking about

    mortgage fraud LOL

    the CPS spent over 3 years trawling through his finances, and held him on a £200 pw leash throughout those 3 years

    then CPS finally put him trial for tax evasion, and the CPS lost the case, how much taxpayer money did they waste in that Stasi style trial

    in the process, the CPS found out that TR had loaned his mother money to buy a house. So, the CPS were going to put his mother (dying of cancer) on trial for mortgage fraud. To prevent her being punished for his politics, he pleaded guilty to mortgage fraud

    how many people in the UK are guilty of mortgage fraud, its pretty clear that they want him to stop telling the truth, they may silence Robinson but in the long run the truth will always come out

    According to the court documents, Robinson set up a scheme in which he was able to fraudulently apply for two mortgages. Several other people, including a mortgage broker, were jailed for these schemes of which he was called the mastermind. About his mother. the fraudulent mortgages she received came to a total of £640,000. Plus, It's the second time he was imprisoned for fraud! He has several other charges for leading brawls between football hooligans, etc. The irony is he goes on about the crimes of asylum seekers and Muslims...

    Anyway, are you a supporter of the EDL itself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    nokia69 wrote: »
    if you dismiss the EDL and Pegida as just the far right then you don't really understand whats going on

    look at the pictures of the marches in Germany, the vast majority people marching don't look like hooligans on the piss looking for a fight

    Exactly, sure we all know it's all about judging people based on how they look, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69



    Anyway, are you a supporter of the EDL itself?

    yes


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    nokia69 wrote: »
    yes

    Fair enough. Maybe you're not Irish but if you are, don't you have a massive problem with their anti-Irish protests and pamphlets and their links with loyalist terror groups?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    nokia69 wrote: »
    yes

    Ireland.man supports I can't believe it's not the contos or some other ex provo groups.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Fair enough. Maybe you're not Irish but if you are, don't you have a massive problem with their anti-Irish protests and pamphlets and their links with loyalist terror groups?

    I'm 100% Irish


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Ireland.man supports I can't believe it's not the contos or some other ex provo groups.

    Huh?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭alwald


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3P1HUB9UY&feature=youtu.be
    LIVE camera following PEGIDA's demo in Dresden


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    nokia69 wrote: »
    I'm 100% Irish

    So are you comfortable with the EDL having anti-Irish protests and meeting up with Loyalists, etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭alwald


    nokia69 wrote: »
    yes

    Here are tweets from their leader:


    Tim Ablitt EDL
    @TimAblitt
    I AM THE LEADER OF THE EDL AND I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL OR ISRAELI NAZIS **** OFF OUT OF MY LEAGUE YOU NAZI SUPPORTERS!
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    2:04 AM - 21 Aug 2014


    Follow

    Tim Ablitt EDL
    @TimAblitt
    Hurry up Nigel mate. Make to UK leave the EU. I'm getting sick of seeing chekos on the streets everywhere. They're worse than muslims!
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    The Pained Arab
    2:29 PM - 1 Jun 2014


    Follow

    Tim Ablitt EDL
    @TimAblitt
    I am very suspicious on Obama i swear he has something to with the taliban. He's half muslim right?
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    The Pained Arab
    2:27 PM - 1 Jun 2014


    shocking right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Pediga miss the point. Yeah, it's great and all to see lads protesting immigration. At the end of the day, Europeans need to have more kids. Our under 2:1 birth rate aligned with mass immigration, means we shall give up our native countries. Just a matter of time.

    Europe is a dying continent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    So are you comfortable with the EDL having anti-Irish protests and meeting up with Loyalists, etc?

    I don't know much about it

    but I support them on the main point, its like any party or group you can't agree 100% with everything, and all side issues, so you look for the main or most important parts


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Pediga miss the point. Yeah, it's great and all to see lads protesting immigration. At the end of the day, Europeans need to have more kids. Our under 2:1 birth rate aligned with mass immigration, means we shall give up our native countries. Just a matter of time.

    Europe is a dying continent.

    exactly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    nokia69 wrote: »
    yes


    Supporting loyalist affiliates are we? Dear o dear.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    nokia69 wrote: »
    I don't know much about it

    but I support them on the main point, its like any party or group you can't agree 100% with everything, and all side issues, so you look for the main or most important parts

    Absolutely agree, only mindless people would follow a party on everything but by supporting them on some points, you're allowing the legitimacy in all their points.... their anti-Irish sh*te and connections to loyalist gangs.

    http://www.newstalk.com/content/000/images/000008/8239_60_news_hub_multi_630x0.jpg

    Read that poster and see how they describe Irish immigrants and tell me if they offer us anything at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Nodin wrote: »
    Supporting loyalist affiliates are we? Dear o dear.

    Who gives a damn about loyalists. Their wars over, your war is over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    The EDL gave vocal support to the flag protests last year in Belfast. They support loyalism, loyalists groups and are anti-Irish. There was a small cultural march in Liverpool organised by the Irish community there and they had to be protected against the EDL because they were immigrants.

    Those are your bedfellows.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Who gives a damn about loyalists. ,............

    The Blacks and Poles that have been attacked by them up North for one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    We need to hit 2:1 otherwise we are heading to dodo status. That's the fact of the matter, lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Pediga miss the point. Yeah, it's great and all to see lads protesting immigration. At the end of the day, Europeans need to have more kids. Our under 2:1 birth rate aligned with mass immigration, means we shall give up our native countries. Just a matter of time.

    Europe is a dying continent.

    I know you've said before you're not racist. But this is textbook racism. Believing there is something intrinsically special about Europeans as a race, compared with others, and that we are under attack as a people, is total racism, and this is why I do not see eye to eye with the people so vehemently opposed to outsiders.

    You can claim it's basic human instinct to believe so, and you might be right, but we have evolved/progressed beyond that. The fact that you can understand this is testament to that. This is what it comes down to for me, and it's why I find the entire thing so hard to swallow.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    We'll have immigrants come in and they'll add to our population. My kids may be mixed race... so we'll continue as a continent like we always have been, a mix of peoples. Is that bad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    We need to hit 2:1 otherwise we are heading to dodo status. That's the fact of the matter, lads.


    They said that in the late 1800's and the early twentieth century. We're still here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    I want Poland/Ireland/Czech/Germany to remain predominantly Polish/Irish/Czech/German.

    What's wrong with that? I love the European diversity and want it to remain. I'm going to Prague in February. I cannot wait to hang out with Czechs for 72 hours.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    So come out and explain your position on the EDL then.

    Every other poster on here seems highly reticent about their opinions when it comes to the EDL. They demand we state if we're Sinn Feiners, or Hamas apologists, or Muslims, etc, but seem too insecure to state definitively if they support EDL. It seems unfair!

    i don’t really have an opinion on the edl to be honest, don’t know too much about them and as a catholic swabian southern german i don’t think i need to know all about the edl or its leaders anyway, nor have a firm position towards them…yet i am aware there are similarities, i just would not say i know all about pegida just by having had a look at the edl or the other way around…and i am far from knowing everything about pegida either, i am just not buying into the current hate campaign against them that simply…
    i understand the fact that there is a fear of islamisation – and of a loss of national and ethnic identity – in many european countries and i can see where that is coming from – people have reasons and a right to be worried, and a right to be taken seriously, i.e. to be heard…it was about time someone stood up and gave that fear a voice…and i also just do not get how every non-nazi would have to be pro unchecked immigration and islamisation, logically like, if being against it automatically makes one a nazi in the eyes of the brainwashed…


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 194 ✭✭GalwayGuitar


    I want Poland/Ireland/Czech/Germany to remain predominantly Polish/Irish/Czech/German.

    What's wrong with that? I love the European diversity and want it to remain. I'm going to Prague in February. I cannot wait to hang out with Czechs for 72 hours.

    Disgusting and racist (only cos your white, no one would care if you said you wanted Nigeria to stay Nigerian or Japan to stay Japanese).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    If the muslims ever get too uppity we shall put them in their box. In a week. It's our birth rate that scares me. Ireland was 2.1:1 in 2012. But 24% of births were to foreign mothers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    If the muslims ever get too uppity we shall put them in their box. In a week. It's our birth rate that scares me. Ireland was 2.1:1 in 2012. But 24% of births were to foreign mothers.

    And their children cannot be Irish?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    If the muslims ever get too uppity we shall put them in their box. In a week. It's our birth rate that scares me. Ireland was 2.1:1 in 2012. But 24% of births were to foreign mothers.


    Since we lost sight of the values of Kinder, Küche, Kirche, its been all downhill in that regard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    And their children cannot be Irish?

    We've been through this. If me and my European missus move to Japan, pop another one, would you consider that childer Irish/European or Japanese?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 194 ✭✭GalwayGuitar


    Ah it won't be all be bad when Islam takes over. At least there'll be no more feminism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Nodin wrote: »
    Since we lost sight of the values of Kinder, Küche, Kirche, its been all downhill in that regard.

    Your German is decent, fair play.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Your German is decent, fair play.


    It's an old phrase from the 1930's, so I can claim no credit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Disgusting and racist (only cos your white, no one would care if you said you wanted Nigeria to stay Nigerian or Japan to stay Japanese).

    Your words, remember, no one elses.
    I want Poland/Ireland/Czech/Germany to remain predominantly Polish/Irish/Czech/German.

    What's wrong with that? I love the European diversity and want it to remain. I'm going to Prague in February. I cannot wait to hang out with Czechs for 72 hours.

    I love it too. I think it's great that there are many different cultures with their own traditions. But culture is not static. And tbh the USA has been a far bigger influence (destroyer, if you want to put it that way) on European cultures than muslims will be for some time to come. This is not trying to be anti-American, I'm just saying. We survived that, we'll be fine.

    The other thing is, cultures don't exist for our own amusement. They come and go with the people. To expect an entire nation of people to behave a certain way to appeal to your own sense of culture.......doesn't really work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    And tbh the USA has been a far bigger influence

    How are the natives getting along, Herb?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    How are the natives getting along, Herb?
    And tbh the USA has been a far bigger influence (destroyer, if you want to put it that way) on European cultures

    I am specifically talking about the 20th century


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