Domestic violence in NZ

Cantremember · 30-12-2014 02:41AM #1

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html
35% of the population of NZ have suffered sexual or physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. Services cannot cope.
I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? Is there serious alcohol issue in the place? The limits of public services are made very clear. It's a serious mess when a third of the population are in this situation.

Cantona's Collars · 30-12-2014 02:44AM

Jake The Muss has a lot to answer for.

Peregrine · 30-12-2014 02:49AM

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

wendell borton · 30-12-2014 02:53AM

Id expect the stats would be quite similar where, its not something unique to NZ.

Cantremember · 30-12-2014 02:56AM

Nim wrote: »

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

I didn't! Asked if there was any cultural thing...I don't know the country at all.

crockholm · 30-12-2014 03:02AM

The country is also choc-full of orcs,I couldn't really imagine those chaps to be gentlemanly and considerate lovers.

MadsL · 30-12-2014 03:03AM

Nim wrote: »

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

Yes, clearly he is confusing it with homoeroticism, it's NFL that is all about domestic abuse.

strobe · 30-12-2014 03:06AM

I'm always a little sceptical of these studies tbh. Saw one article once where the link to the full details of the study was included and not behind a pay wall. The definitions of physical and sexual violence were, well, expansive, to say the least.

MadsL · 30-12-2014 03:11AM

They are also quite rapey.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

onlyrocknroll · 30-12-2014 03:14AM

Nim wrote: »

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

There's an urban myth that incidents of domestic violence spike when the All Blacks lose.

Probably/obviously total crap but I've heard it a good few times nonetheless.

onlyrocknroll · 30-12-2014 03:22AM

Cantremember wrote: »

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html
35% of the population of NZ have suffered sexual or physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. Services cannot cope.
I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? Is there serious alcohol issue in the place? The limits of public services are made very clear. It's a serious mess when a third of the population are in this situation.

This is probably unfair on NZ. Sadly that figure seems to be the average globally. I've heard from friends that work in social services and similar positions that homes for vulnerable women here in Ireland are completely overburdened too.

Obviously I'm not defending it, it's absolutely repulsive, just saying the article seems to be pretty harsh on NZ.

tommyboy2222 · 30-12-2014 03:23AM

Maybe Kiwi women enjoy beating their men ?

strobe · 30-12-2014 03:24AM

onlyrocknroll wrote: »

There's an urban myth that incidents of domestic violence spike when the All Blacks lose.

Probably/obviously total crap but I've heard it a good few times nonetheless.

Was when Glasgow Rangers lose an old firm derby the way I heard it...

Wonder if there's a similar one in Spain for when Barca lose to Real, or in the US for when the Bears lose to the Packers?

BlaasForRafa · 30-12-2014 03:27AM

Cantremember wrote: »

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera:

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

jank · 30-12-2014 07:52AM

There is a bit of a 1950's thing alright with NZ, apparently domestic abuse is rampent over there. I didn't see any myself when I was over there but I do know of people who admit that they grew up in a house where the dad beat the $hit out of them and the mother. Its not uncommon. I never heard that when I lived in Ireland although Irish people are very closed and insincere while kiwi's can be a lot more open and honest, so it could be that.

Two things to point out.
The rates may be so high due to the Maori warrior culture. They are vastly over represented in the abuse statistics, including child and sexual abuse.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6309791.stm

The Christchurch earthquake caused untold stress to the people of Canterbury. The tremors latest for months and are still ongoing. When people are so fatigued and stress then tend to snap more. Hence now, domestic abuse in Christchurch has exploded over the norm.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/9674021/Quake-stress-hurting-our-young
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10842153

Rabies · 30-12-2014 08:06AM

Cantremember wrote: »

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html
35% of the population of NZ have suffered sexual or physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. Services cannot cope.
I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? Is there serious alcohol issue in the place? The limits of public services are made very clear. It's a serious mess when a third of the population are in this situation.

Domestic abuse and child poverty is very high in the Maori and Pacific Islander population. Not saying white Europeans don't do it, but there is a major problem in NZ

suicide_circus · 30-12-2014 08:07AM

Fush ind chups

ireland.man · 30-12-2014 08:12AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

They've a bit of a bit of a blind spot for Qatar, to put it mildly. Can't fault their international coverage much though.

Rosy Posy · 30-12-2014 09:55AM

I've lived in NZ for the last eight years and one thing that I think adds to the problem is that there is the general perception that there are some circumstances in which domestic violence is justifiable. (This is not my opinion at all btw, I find violence of any kind abhorrent, apart from in certain sport). Off the top of my head I can think of one friend in Ireland who was the victim of domestic violence. Here I can think of two, and know of one friend who's partner was violent with his ex-partner. I also know of two friends teenaged daughters who were abused by boyfriends, and a house in our neighbourhood was burned down by a couple in the midst of a domestic dispute. In both of the former cases they were once off incidents in which the man had discovered infidelity. In one case the man walked in on his girlfriend having sex with another man and boxed them both. Afaik no one, not even the girl, admonished him for doing so. In the second instance the wife admitted she'd been having an affair and he lost it and beat her up. In the second instance she reported it and he lost access to their kids for a while. While some of his mates (my oh included) let him know that that wasn't on, he also was given a lot of support, and ultimately was accepted back into social circles, largely at his now ex-wife's behest for the sake of their kids. I do think that if this had happened in Ireland the men in question would have been ostracised and generally more widely condemned. Fwiw four of the men are Paheka (white New Zealanders), one is Brazilian, and the couple are Maori. The general perception, which is borne out by the word of several friends who are social workers, is that domestic violence is more prevalent in Maori and Pacific Island communities. Poverty, addiction and culture are commonly thought to be factors.

There is a massive campaign to change public perceptions and to offer support to victims of abuse. I've been asked countless times in my journey through various public health services and there's a prominent advertising campaign. I think it will take at least a generation to change attitudes.

irishgirl19 · 30-12-2014 09:57AM

Ireland cannot cope either
It is a huge problem here and more common than some people may realise

Dr Turk Turkelton · 30-12-2014 10:08AM

zerks wrote: »

Jake The Muss has a lot to answer for.

You know your F**Kin problem ay women, your too bloody lippy, too bloody smartmouth, your a bloody bad example for the f**kin Kids Always writing aren't you your too f**kin smart, your gonna end up like your ****in mother here

bmwguy · 30-12-2014 10:17AM

If they just cook the eggs they wwon't get a slap

Rosy Posy · 30-12-2014 10:29AM

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

You know your F**Kin problem ay women, your too bloody lippy, too bloody smartmouth, your a bloody bad example for the f**kin Kids Always writing aren't you your too f**kin smart, your gonna end up like your ****in mother here

bmwguy wrote: »

If they just cook the eggs they wwon't get a slap

Ok, maybe attitudes in Ireland do suck as much as here...

Dr Turk Turkelton · 30-12-2014 10:32AM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Ok, maybe attitudes in Ireland do suck as much as here...

Whoosh... That's the sound of something going right over your head.

Rosy Posy · 30-12-2014 10:36AM

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Whoosh... That's the sound of something going right over your head.

I get that they're quotes from Once were Warriors, I just think it's a little moronic.

CrackisWhack · 30-12-2014 11:04AM

I might get shot down for this, but a lot of the indigenous islander folk I've met Down under have been dodgy aggressive pr1cks

William F · 30-12-2014 11:50AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

They're now calling ISIS 'ISIL'. It gets confusing after a while.

crane_driver · 30-12-2014 04:57PM

not hugely surprised by this , i lived and worked in new zealand a good few years ago and it is a hard headed society which has zero time for anyone complaining about anything

they have a poor reputation when it comes to issues surrounding bullying in the workplace , in fact their is almost zero understanding of the issue in my experience , complain in new zealand about pretty much anything and the reply is " stop whining " or " get on with it " , this stretches all the way to officialdom

i can see why victims of abuse would be slow to come forward

Honey Monster · 30-12-2014 05:00PM

Having lived there it's not a surprising report. Saw it on the weekly, women getting beat up and back with husbands and boyfriends the following week. Especially among the Maori population.

Honey Monster · 30-12-2014 05:03PM

CrackisWhack wrote: »

I might get shot down for this, but a lot of the indigenous islander folk I've met Down under have been dodgy aggressive pr1cks

I'd liken them to the travellers of here. Some you meet are dodgy as hell but others are the salt of the earth. My best experiences in NZ were with them.

crane_driver · 30-12-2014 05:35PM

i had no real dealings with maoiri in new zealand yet i found it a real cold house when it comes to raising the alarm about any kind of unethical behaviour

new zealanders are a pretty smug people who dont like anything that shatters the illusion of how great their country and society is

i liked the country overall but ireland is a superior place on every level excluding climate IMO

Domestic violence in NZ

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