Domestic violence in NZ

Cantremember

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html
35% of the population of NZ have suffered sexual or physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. Services cannot cope.
I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? Is there serious alcohol issue in the place? The limits of public services are made very clear. It's a serious mess when a third of the population are in this situation.

Cantona's Collars

Jake The Muss has a lot to answer for.

Peregrine

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

wendell borton

Id expect the stats would be quite similar where, its not something unique to NZ.

Cantremember

Nim wrote: »

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

I didn't! Asked if there was any cultural thing...I don't know the country at all.

crockholm

The country is also choc-full of orcs,I couldn't really imagine those chaps to be gentlemanly and considerate lovers.

MadsL

Nim wrote: »

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

Yes, clearly he is confusing it with homoeroticism, it's NFL that is all about domestic abuse.

strobe

I'm always a little sceptical of these studies tbh. Saw one article once where the link to the full details of the study was included and not behind a pay wall. The definitions of physical and sexual violence were, well, expansive, to say the least.

MadsL

They are also quite rapey.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

onlyrocknroll

Nim wrote: »

How you made the connection between domestic abuse and rugby is beyond me..

There's an urban myth that incidents of domestic violence spike when the All Blacks lose.

Probably/obviously total crap but I've heard it a good few times nonetheless.

onlyrocknroll

Cantremember wrote: »

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html
35% of the population of NZ have suffered sexual or physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. Services cannot cope.
I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? Is there serious alcohol issue in the place? The limits of public services are made very clear. It's a serious mess when a third of the population are in this situation.

This is probably unfair on NZ. Sadly that figure seems to be the average globally. I've heard from friends that work in social services and similar positions that homes for vulnerable women here in Ireland are completely overburdened too.

Obviously I'm not defending it, it's absolutely repulsive, just saying the article seems to be pretty harsh on NZ.

tommyboy2222

Maybe Kiwi women enjoy beating their men ?

strobe

onlyrocknroll wrote: »

There's an urban myth that incidents of domestic violence spike when the All Blacks lose.

Probably/obviously total crap but I've heard it a good few times nonetheless.

Was when Glasgow Rangers lose an old firm derby the way I heard it...

Wonder if there's a similar one in Spain for when Barca lose to Real, or in the US for when the Bears lose to the Packers?

BlaasForRafa

Cantremember wrote: »

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera:

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

jank

There is a bit of a 1950's thing alright with NZ, apparently domestic abuse is rampent over there. I didn't see any myself when I was over there but I do know of people who admit that they grew up in a house where the dad beat the $hit out of them and the mother. Its not uncommon. I never heard that when I lived in Ireland although Irish people are very closed and insincere while kiwi's can be a lot more open and honest, so it could be that.

Two things to point out.
The rates may be so high due to the Maori warrior culture. They are vastly over represented in the abuse statistics, including child and sexual abuse.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6309791.stm

The Christchurch earthquake caused untold stress to the people of Canterbury. The tremors latest for months and are still ongoing. When people are so fatigued and stress then tend to snap more. Hence now, domestic abuse in Christchurch has exploded over the norm.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/9674021/Quake-stress-hurting-our-young
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10842153

Rabies

Cantremember wrote: »

Here's a curiosity from Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html
35% of the population of NZ have suffered sexual or physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. Services cannot cope.
I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? Is there serious alcohol issue in the place? The limits of public services are made very clear. It's a serious mess when a third of the population are in this situation.

Domestic abuse and child poverty is very high in the Maori and Pacific Islander population. Not saying white Europeans don't do it, but there is a major problem in NZ

suicide_circus

Fush ind chups

ireland.man

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

They've a bit of a bit of a blind spot for Qatar, to put it mildly. Can't fault their international coverage much though.

Rosy Posy

I've lived in NZ for the last eight years and one thing that I think adds to the problem is that there is the general perception that there are some circumstances in which domestic violence is justifiable. (This is not my opinion at all btw, I find violence of any kind abhorrent, apart from in certain sport). Off the top of my head I can think of one friend in Ireland who was the victim of domestic violence. Here I can think of two, and know of one friend who's partner was violent with his ex-partner. I also know of two friends teenaged daughters who were abused by boyfriends, and a house in our neighbourhood was burned down by a couple in the midst of a domestic dispute. In both of the former cases they were once off incidents in which the man had discovered infidelity. In one case the man walked in on his girlfriend having sex with another man and boxed them both. Afaik no one, not even the girl, admonished him for doing so. In the second instance the wife admitted she'd been having an affair and he lost it and beat her up. In the second instance she reported it and he lost access to their kids for a while. While some of his mates (my oh included) let him know that that wasn't on, he also was given a lot of support, and ultimately was accepted back into social circles, largely at his now ex-wife's behest for the sake of their kids. I do think that if this had happened in Ireland the men in question would have been ostracised and generally more widely condemned. Fwiw four of the men are Paheka (white New Zealanders), one is Brazilian, and the couple are Maori. The general perception, which is borne out by the word of several friends who are social workers, is that domestic violence is more prevalent in Maori and Pacific Island communities. Poverty, addiction and culture are commonly thought to be factors.

There is a massive campaign to change public perceptions and to offer support to victims of abuse. I've been asked countless times in my journey through various public health services and there's a prominent advertising campaign. I think it will take at least a generation to change attitudes.

irishgirl19

Ireland cannot cope either
It is a huge problem here and more common than some people may realise

Dr Turk Turkelton

zerks wrote: »

Jake The Muss has a lot to answer for.

You know your F**Kin problem ay women, your too bloody lippy, too bloody smartmouth, your a bloody bad example for the f**kin Kids Always writing aren't you your too f**kin smart, your gonna end up like your ****in mother here

bmwguy

If they just cook the eggs they wwon't get a slap

Rosy Posy

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

You know your F**Kin problem ay women, your too bloody lippy, too bloody smartmouth, your a bloody bad example for the f**kin Kids Always writing aren't you your too f**kin smart, your gonna end up like your ****in mother here

bmwguy wrote: »

If they just cook the eggs they wwon't get a slap

Ok, maybe attitudes in Ireland do suck as much as here...

Dr Turk Turkelton

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Ok, maybe attitudes in Ireland do suck as much as here...

Whoosh... That's the sound of something going right over your head.

Rosy Posy

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Whoosh... That's the sound of something going right over your head.

I get that they're quotes from Once were Warriors, I just think it's a little moronic.

CrackisWhack

I might get shot down for this, but a lot of the indigenous islander folk I've met Down under have been dodgy aggressive pr1cks

William F

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

They're now calling ISIS 'ISIL'. It gets confusing after a while.

crane_driver

not hugely surprised by this , i lived and worked in new zealand a good few years ago and it is a hard headed society which has zero time for anyone complaining about anything

they have a poor reputation when it comes to issues surrounding bullying in the workplace , in fact their is almost zero understanding of the issue in my experience , complain in new zealand about pretty much anything and the reply is " stop whining " or " get on with it " , this stretches all the way to officialdom

i can see why victims of abuse would be slow to come forward

Honey Monster

Having lived there it's not a surprising report. Saw it on the weekly, women getting beat up and back with husbands and boyfriends the following week. Especially among the Maori population.

Honey Monster

CrackisWhack wrote: »

I might get shot down for this, but a lot of the indigenous islander folk I've met Down under have been dodgy aggressive pr1cks

I'd liken them to the travellers of here. Some you meet are dodgy as hell but others are the salt of the earth. My best experiences in NZ were with them.

crane_driver

i had no real dealings with maoiri in new zealand yet i found it a real cold house when it comes to raising the alarm about any kind of unethical behaviour

new zealanders are a pretty smug people who dont like anything that shatters the illusion of how great their country and society is

i liked the country overall but ireland is a superior place on every level excluding climate IMO

ireland.man

Well the sad fact is, indigenous communities living in poverty and with high rates of alocholism and subsequent social problems like rape and other crime is a pattern found across the world (Mexico, the US, Canada, Australia, etc). To fix it is more than just changing culture but reducing poverty and alienation... which could take generations.

eisenberg1

I was talking to a NZ guy, a friend of a friend, and mentioned "Once Were Warriors", and straight away he gets all defensive, "Oh, New Zealand is nothing like that, that movie was a crock of sh1t, that sort of thing just does not go on"
I said Surely some part was accurate? it can't all be made up.."

He was adamant, "No, all crap, it would never happen in NZ, maybe Australia..."

I thought it was weird how defensive he was.

mikom

Cantremember wrote: »

I don't know NZ: is this a warrior culture thing, rugby, macho, or what? situation.

"All Blacks" refers to their eyes.

M three

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I've searched Al Jazeera for any reports on domestic abuse in Qatar but strangely there was nothing to be found.

Al Jazeera is heading the way of Russia Today as just peddling the slant that the regime in it's home country wants it to.

Pretty much what Fox News and CNN have been doing for years in the US so.
peddling your own slant by not mentioning that though.

crane_driver

eisenberg1 wrote: »

I was talking to a NZ guy, a friend of a friend, and mentioned "Once Were Warriors", and straight away he gets all defensive, "Oh, New Zealand is nothing like that, that movie was a crock of sh1t, that sort of thing just does not go on"
I said Surely some part was accurate? it can't all be made up.."

He was adamant, "No, all crap, it would never happen in NZ, maybe Australia..."

I thought it was weird how defensive he was.

kiwis cannot bare any form of criticism

gozunda

crane_driver wrote: »

not hugely surprised by this , i lived and worked in new zealand a good few years ago and it is a hard headed society which has zero time for anyone complaining about anything

they have a poor reputation when it comes to issues surrounding bullying in the workplace , in fact their is almost zero understanding of the issue in my experience , complain in new zealand about pretty much anything and the reply is " stop whining " or " get on with it " , this stretches all the way to officialdom

i can see why victims of abuse would be slow to come forward

Much like Ireland then - complain about similar sociopathic behavior you are told to suck it up whilst the perpetrators are left to continue the cycle of abuse. What's interesting is that nz is made up of Northern and southern Irish in roughly equal proportion. Answers a lot imo...

SeanW

gozunda wrote: »

Much like Ireland then - complain about similar sociopathic behavior you are told to suck it up whilst the perpetrators are left to continue the cycle of abuse. What's interesting is that nz is made up of Northern and southern Irish in roughly equal proportion. Answers a lot imo...

Huh?

gozunda

SeanW wrote: »

Huh?

Duh!

The majority of New Zealand's population is of European descent (69 percent identify as "New Zealand European"), with the indigenous Māori being the largest minority (14.6 percent), followed by Asians (9.2 percent) and non-Māori Pacific Islanders (6.9 percent). This is reflected in immigration, with most new migrants coming from Britain and Ireland,

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_Zealand

hatrickpatrick

jive_bunny wrote: »

it is culturally frowned upon to complain in new zealand

As opposed to Ireland, where complaining is universally preferred to taking action

*Points to Joe*

Value Hunter

zerks wrote: »

Jake The Muss has a lot to answer for.

Cook the man some eggs!

Yeah_Right

crane_driver wrote: »

i had no real dealings with maoiri in new zealand yet i found it a real cold house when it comes to raising the alarm about any kind of unethical behaviour

new zealanders are a pretty smug people who dont like anything that shatters the illusion of how great their country and society is

i liked the country overall but ireland is a superior place on every level excluding climate IMO

Firstly, it's Maori. Secondly, did you make it out of Auckland airport during your transition to/from Australia?

Kiwis can take criticism. They criticise the crap out of their own country and are embarrassed by LOTR fawning.

Ireland=superior?!?! Check the economy, unemployment rates, education, sporting achievements, terrorist bombings.

To the kiwi who said Once Were Warriors wasn't real, dickhead. Very accurate. Is domestic violence an issue in NZ? Yes. Is it horribly prevalent in Maori and Pacific Island cultures? Yes. It will take education and generations to change this mentality and that is what's happening. There is a long way to go. Perfect? ****, no.

Is domestic violence prevalent in Irish society? Yes. Is it covered up? Yes.

flas

ote="Yeah_Rht;644"]Firstly, it's Maori. Secondly, did you make it out of Auckland airport during your transition to/from Australia?

Kiwis can take criticism. They criticise the crap out of their own country and are embarrassed by LOTR fawning.

Ireland=superior?!?! Check the economy, unemployment rates, education, sporting achievements, terrorist bombings.

To the kiwi who said Once Were Warriors wasn't real, dickhead. Very accurate. Is domestic violence an issue in NZ? Yes. Is it horribly prevalent in Maori and Pacific Island cultures? Yes. It will take education and generations to change this mentality and that is what's happening. There is a long way to go. Perfect? ****, no.

Is domestic violence prevalent in Irish society? Yes. Is it covered up? Yes.[/quote]

Economy: Ireland gdp 2014 217.82 billion us dollars
New Zealand gdp 2014 182.59 billion us dollars
So that is the economy here performing better.

Terrorist bombings:?? Don't really get your point here, there was a seperatist campaign that ran for decades where some terrible acts were carried out by both sides but don't really see how that has anything to do with the country in this day and age, there has been peace on this island for many a year now.

Education; well looking at globl education tables from a quick google Ireland and New Zealand are not too different, from the tables in 2013 New Zealand was ranked 8th with Ireland at number 11, but from last year Ireland was number 9 and New Zealand was number 15. Make of that what you will.

Sporting achievements: New Zealand won a rugby world cup, just the one for a country absolutely obsessed with the sport and with the biggest playing numbers per head of population in te world. In the last two olympics New Zealand have went home with 13 in 2012 from london and 9 in 2008 from beijing.not too shabby for a small country population wise. Ireland went home with 5 medals from London and only 3 from beijing. A lot of our medals have come from boxing the last few years where we currently have one wbo world champion in the professional arena and if looking at other sports we currently also have the number 1 ranked golfer in the world. Another sport we seem to truely excel at in the international arena is horse racing with some of the best horses trainers and jockies in the world.

Unemployment: Ireland currently sits at 10% unemployed coming out of the worst recession to ever hit this country. But it is dropping. New Zealand have at the moment around 5.5% unemployed and keeping it steady for the last few years, with a lot of employment coming in the way of construction and rebuilding work due to the tragic earthquakes which struck a few years ago.

So all in all the countries on the basis which you brought up don't seem to have a whole lot of differences. Hope that clears them up for you.

Grayson

William F wrote: »

They're now calling ISIS 'ISIL'. It gets confusing after a while.

They(IS/ISIS/ISIL/Whatever) changed the name themselves. they went from Islamic State of Iraq and Syria to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

In the west people just called them IS because at least the first two letters didn't change.

flas

flas wrote: »

Economy: Ireland gdp 2014 217.82 billion us dollars
New Zealand gdp 2014 182.59 billion us dollars
So that is the economy here performing better.

Terrorist bombings:?? Don't really get your point here, there was a seperatist campaign that ran for decades where some terrible acts were carried out by both sides but don't really see how that has anything to do with the country in this day and age, there has been peace on this island for many a year now.

Education; well looking at globl education tables from a quick google Ireland and New Zealand are not too different, from the tables in 2013 New Zealand was ranked 8th with Ireland at number 11, but from last year Ireland was number 9 and New Zealand was number 15. Make of that what you will.

Sporting achievements: New Zealand won a rugby world cup, just the one for a country absolutely obsessed with the sport and with the biggest playing numbers per head of population in te world. In the last two olympics New Zealand have went home with 13 in 2012 from london and 9 in 2008 from beijing.not too shabby for a small country population wise. Ireland went home with 5 medals from London and only 3 from beijing. A lot of our medals have come from boxing the last few years where we currently have one wbo world champion in the professional arena and if looking at other sports we currently also have the number 1 ranked golfer in the world. Another sport we seem to truely excel at in the international arena is horse racing with some of the best horses trainers and jockies in the world.

Unemployment: Ireland currently sits at 10% unemployed coming out of the worst recession to ever hit this country. But it is dropping. New Zealand have at the moment around 5.5% unemployed and keeping it steady for the last few years, with a lot of employment coming in the way of construction and rebuilding work due to the tragic earthquakes which struck a few years ago.

So all in all the countries on the basis which you brought up don't seem to have a whole lot of differences. Hope that clears them up for you.

For Ireland not to have a much higher GDP would be a huge failure, given its geographic location and tax breaks to big business. If the lower corporation tax rate was removed from Ireland as some other countries would like, how much would the economy suffer?

NZ has won two Rugby world cups and would regularly expect multiple gold medals from an Olympics. Not much comparison there.

An unemployment rate that is half of another is not remotely close, sorry.

I'm a kiwi, have lived here for a few years, and although I like it (and the people), I'd much rather be back home.

Neither country is perfect, and neither is a bad place to live.

Borzoi

Basil3 wrote: »

Neither country is perfect, and neither is a bad place to live.

True, but New Zealand is a cultural wasteland. Got any Michelin star restaurants? How about Nobel laureates? Famous Kiwi musicians?

But for the Maori culture it would be a English middle class village - imho

Badly Drunk Boy

MadsL wrote: »

They are also quite rapey.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

Isn't it strange that UK and the USA don't appear on that list? Only 50 countries are. And if you filter it by 2009, only 3 countries are.

The Aussie

Borzoi wrote: »

True, but New Zealand is a cultural wasteland. Got any Michelin star restaurants? How about Nobel laureates? Famous Kiwi musicians?

I do love it when the Irish bring out the "Culture" card.

When was the last time I heard anyone talking about going to a Michelin star restaurant? Never.

When was the last time I heard anyone discussing their favourite Nobel Laureate? Never

And I first moved over here in 2001, a fairly long time to never hear about this faux "Culture"

Borzoi wrote: »

But for the Maori culture it would be a English middle class village - imho

Even with "Irish Culture" Dublin is just a poor mans Birmingham.
The rest of Ireland May as just be another English County.

Cantremember

Borzoi wrote: »

True, but New Zealand is a cultural wasteland. Got any Michelin star restaurants? How about Nobel laureates? Famous Kiwi musicians?

But for the Maori culture it would be a English middle class village - imho

Kirk Te Kanawa.
Ernest Rutherford

2 out of 3 ain't bad

Cantremember

The Aussie wrote: »

I do love it when the Irish bring out the "Culture" card.

When was the last time I heard anyone talking about going to a Michelin star restaurant? Never.

When was the last time I heard anyone discussing their favourite Nobel Laureate? Never

And I first moved over here in 2001, a fairly long time to never hear about this faux "Culture"



Even with "Irish Culture" Dublin is just a poor mans Birmingham.
The rest of Ireland May as just be another English County.

Dear me.. I'm sure there was a thread about the late Seamus Heaney, a long one about Food which Michelin was discussed in and if you've been here since 2001 and never been to Croker on big hurling day ....

flas

Basil3 wrote: »

For Ireland not to have a much higher GDP would be a huge failure, given its geographic location and tax breaks to big business. If the lower corporation tax rate was removed from Ireland as some other countries would like, how much would the economy suffer?

NZ has won two Rugby world cups and would regularly expect multiple gold medals from an Olympics. Not much comparison there.

An unemployment rate that is half of another is not remotely close, sorry.

I'm a kiwi, have lived here for a few years, and although I like it (and the people), I'd much rather be back home.

Neither country is perfect, and neither is a bad place to live.

Your last line was my point.