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Ireland's biggest sporting embarrassment?

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    #632
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    That's a good point but in the short term anyway, seen as they are the most profitable sports organisation here you could say they don't need the funding while others do. Smaller bodies will continue to struggle and some make a loss as they don't have adequate investment to allow them to develop sustainable models long term. All this while the GAA has a brilliant model that makes them millions.
    The GAA can as you say effectively pay back their funding through schemes, and both quantifiable and unquantifiable benefits to the economy. But I was talking in a strictly sporting sense it's quite unfair they're allowed to flourish spectacularly with largely unneeded support while other flounder badly.
    GAA also gets massive income from non sporting events like concerts that others don't.

    Not embarrassing from the GAAs point of view but from a government viewpoint it should be. Those who earn a better wage pay more taxes and those really struggling get more benefits. It's kind of like what I'm saying the division of funding should be.

    They get less than the FAI and almost the same as the IRFU in sports council grants. The IRFU takes in more money than the GAA too and has lower participation rates.
    The IRFU players also get very generous tax allowances after a number of years.


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    #633
    Bridge93
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    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    They get less than the FAI and almost the same as the IRFU in sports council grants. The IRFU takes in more money than the GAA too and has lower participation rates.
    The IRFU players also get very generous tax allowances after a number of years.

    Didn't know that, I'll take back some of what I said. But the other two are professional bodies who have to pay wages, cover trips abroad etc. I would be of the opinion that a professional body would need more support than an amateur one.
    Do the GAA have to pay their board members and officials or are they amateur too?

    The 600 grand for a stadium in London I will not change my mind on that is a disgrace when it's relatively small cash to the GAA but large in the context of the government funds available to sport in general.


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    #634
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Didn't know that, I'll take back some of what I said. But the other two are professional bodies who have to pay wages, cover trips abroad etc. I would be of the opinion that a professional body would need more support than an amateur one.
    Do the GAA have to pay their board members and officials or are they amateur too?

    The 600 grand for a stadium in London I will not change my mind on that is a disgrace when it's relatively small cash to the GAA but large in the context of the government funds available to sport in general.

    That €600k is not from sports council funding, it came from the department of foreign affairs emigrant support program. It only represents a small fraction of what the GAA is spending on Ruislip but I would be in agreement that the DFA could have found more worthwhile projects to spend the money on.
    I would hardly describe it as a sporting embarrassment though.


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    #635
    Breffnigolfer
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    The GAA generates millions for the economy on an annual basis and so pays back any of the funding money it gets from the government in the additional tax revenue GAA matches generate.Think of the amount of money that is spent in Dublin, Thurles, Killarney,Cork etc and time there is a big match that would otherwise not be spent.

    The money will be spent in any case, whether or not a GAA match was played or not. Are you suggesting the money would not be spent if there wasn't a game?


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    #636
    Breffnigolfer
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    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    They get less than the FAI and almost the same as the IRFU in sports council grants. The IRFU takes in more money than the GAA too and has lower participation rates.
    The IRFU players also get very generous tax allowances after a number of years.

    Soccer has higher participation rare than GAA. Rugby, at least, represents Ireland internationally.


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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    The money will be spent in any case, whether or not a GAA match was played or not. Are you suggesting the money would not be spent if there wasn't a game?

    Are you suggesting thousands of people would just spontaneously show up in those towns to spend money on food and drink and thereby put millions into the local economy if the match wasn't played? Or do you just fundamentally misunderstand the benefit of economic activity to an economy?


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    #638
    Redmen Rafalution
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    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    Rule 42. Rule 42 is the answer to the OP's question.

    There's really no reason to be embarrassed about one of our teams or one of our athletes performing poorly on any particular day.
    There's no particular reason for national embarrassment when one of our sportspeople act like cnuts (Roy Keane - 2002) or takes drugs (Michelle Smith- 1996). These things happen everywhere.
    However, the deliberate, high profile bigotry of the GAA, up until less than a decade ago, is rather unusual - and made me absolutely cringe. I stopped supporting the GAA in my early teens because of it.

    Spot on.


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    #639
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    The money will be spent in any case, whether or not a GAA match was played or not. Are you suggesting the money would not be spent if there wasn't a game?

    Yes.

    There are numerous times where my choice of entertainment is to stay at home (and spend nothing) or go to a GAA match, I'm pretty sure there are other people just like me.


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    #640
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Soccer has higher participation rare than GAA. Rugby, at least, represents Ireland internationally.

    If anything sports that aren't represented internationally and cannot benefit from increased international exposure and thus access to more revenue should be even more entitled to government help than international sports.

    I've never understood why people think its OK for Olympic athletes to get funding (which I'm all for by the way) but there is then something wrong with the GAA getting funding.Olympic athletes contribute almost nothing to the Irish economy and therefore don't really pay back the money they get at least with the GAA's funding it is indirectly returned to the exchequer and so there isn't much real cost with it.


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    #641
    Macavity.
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    WesternZulu wrote: »
    Name me a sporting organisation who has acted in a completely dignified manner throughout their existence?

    Such a strawman. Well done.


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    Breffnigolfer
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Are you suggesting thousands of people would just spontaneously show up in those towns to spend money on food and drink and thereby put millions into the local economy if the match wasn't played? Or do you just fundamentally misunderstand the benefit of economic activity to an economy?

    I, unlike you wasn't being parochial. The general, national, economy will end up the same as the money will be spent anyway.


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    #643
    Breffnigolfer
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    Fair play to the GAA for the good work they do but most local clubs spend the year pumping the people for every penny they can get. It gets tiresome after a while.


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    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    I, unlike you wasn't being parochial. The general, national, economy will end up the same as the money will be spent anyway.

    No it won't.

    As I pointed out in anther post GAA matches get plenty of people out spending money rather than sitting at home spending nothing.


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    #645
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Fair play to the GAA for the good work they do but most local clubs spend the year pumping the people for every penny they can get. It gets tiresome after a while.

    You do know that people don't have to contribute money if they don't want to.


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    #646
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    You do know that people don't have to contribute money if they don't want to.

    Yes, but that's a separate issue. I'm commenting on the endless shakedowns. A prime example is the local BLOTTO with,typically, 4 numbers from 28, and a chance of someone winning something like once every two years.


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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Yes, but that's a separate issue. I'm commenting on the endless shakedowns. A prime example is the local BLOTTO with,typically, 4 numbers from 28, and a chance of someone winning something like once every two years.

    So, don't do it if you don't want to...what's the problem?


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    #648
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Yes, but that's a separate issue. I'm commenting on the endless shakedowns. A prime example is the local BLOTTO with,typically, 4 numbers from 28, and a chance of someone winning something like once every two years.

    Almost all small soccer clubs run equivilant lottos too, why no criticism there?


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    #649
    martingriff
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Yes, but that's a separate issue. I'm commenting on the endless shakedowns. A prime example is the local BLOTTO with,typically, 4 numbers from 28, and a chance of someone winning something like once every two years.

    Like every other lotto in existence then. You know there is a great word you should get to know NO.

    Or walk past collections


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    #650
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    So, don't do it if you don't want to...what's the problem?

    I've already answered that.


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    #651
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    martingriff wrote: »
    Like every other lotto in existence then. You know there is a great word you should get to know NO.

    Or walk past collections

    I've already answered.


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    #652
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    Almost all small soccer clubs run equivilant lottos too, why no criticism there?

    You wouldn't understand.


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    #653
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You wouldn't understand.

    Has the GAA left you emotionally scarred somehow or something? :confused:


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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    I've already answered that.

    No you haven't, you just made the same point again. If they offer a lottery ticket, just say no. You have not explained how that is not possible for you.


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    #655
    martingriff
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    I've already answered.

    Nope


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    #656
    keith16
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    This thread is an embarrassment.


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    #657
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Michelle Smith. Every day of the week for me.


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    #658
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    The funding the GAA receive from the government is fairly embarrassing. They are the biggest association on the island with by far the largest revenue yet they recieve a huge cut of the funding compared to those who need it more.
    They got 600,000 to help build a HQ in London for feck sake. Ridiculous. If the want to waste money like that it should be out of their own large earnings rather than public funds. There are associations like Basketball, Athletics and Hockey struggling to survive due to a lack of funding and they can't raise it themselves as they don't have the structure, opportunities or facilities the GAA have.
    Yet the GAA continue to take a considerable chunk of the money. For a sport not competing on an international stage it's all the more needless.

    What's even more embarrassing and surely near the top is the Government funding itself. €25 million was the total sum out government put up for sport this year. A pathetic sum of money to spread across everything.

    Do you expect any sporting or cultural organisation, from the GAA to the National Tiddlywinks Association, to refuse funding?


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    #659
    martingriff
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    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Do you expect any sporting or cultural organisation, from the GAA to the National Tiddlywinks Association, to refuse funding?

    Wait there is a National Tiddlywinks Association. I am so there


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    #660
    JillyQ
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Wait there is a National Tiddlywinks Association. I am so there

    Wouldnt mind the tiddlywinks either!


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    #661
    Billy86
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    There certainly is! But even the North American Tiddlywinks Association don't seem to know much about them. :pac:

    http://www.tiddlywinks.org/pubs/bibliography/tw_associations/


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