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Chris Rock: "White people need to own the actions of their ancestors"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭Uncle Ruckus


    Guilt by association fallacy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Chips O'Toole


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Not entirely sure its possible for a black person to be racist to a white person

    We haven't given them that right yet. They can call us 'cracker' though. I like the way he says Cracker!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,360 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I agree with Chris Rock -

    White people should be financially held accountable for the actions of their ancestors.

    To that end reparations should be paid for the actions of the slavers. And credit paid by white people to all black people for the suffering caused.

    As a further condition we will also be held accountable for the inventions of all white people before us. Non Caucasians will pay a subscription fee for the use of ...cars, televisions, microwaves, kfc, alloy rims and well... practically ever fvcking invention in our modern lives.

    The numbers will be entered in double column accounts and Mr Rock can forward me my $5000 by end of year for use of my white person patents.

    you can skip the envelope fee Chris.

    And what about the African chiefs who captured people to sell to the slavers?

    Should their decendants pay up as well?

    Slavery was terrible but I don't see why anyone living today should be held accountable for things that happened from the 16th to the 19th century.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Should modern Italians "own" the bloodshed doled out by Roman legions across Europe?

    Should modern Scandinavians "own" the rape and pillage of their viking forefathers?

    The difference is I suppose that not enough water has passed under the bridge in terms of the African American experience.


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If sparticus thoght me anything the first people to be slaves were white, there was also a lot of beautiful woman and nudity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Rock speaks about whites inheriting money they didn't earn. This is exclusive to the crackers is it? Presumably his kids won't inherit his millions when he dies considering they didn't earn it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    I heard an interesting stat that 8% of white christians owned slaves in the US but it was up to 70% of Jewish people in the US given their involvement in trade. Most slave traders were also closed on Jewish holidays. Dont think we'll hear him bring that up.

    Where did you read that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 423 ✭✭The Bould Rabbit


    I had to google Chris Rock to find out who he is.

    Yep, he's some comedian all right.

    He can go fuck himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Rock speaks about whites inheriting money they didn't earn. This is exclusive to the crackers is it? Presumably his kids won't inherit his millions when he dies considering they didn't earn it.

    Are you referring to the article or his standup? Im not a fan so if you're referring to his stand up then I have to take your word, but I don't think he's specifically referring to white when he says that in the article, I think its a general example that applies to everyone, he just happens to be using it while talking about white people.
    We haven't given them that right yet. They can call us 'cracker' though. I like the way he says Cracker!

    The reason why a black comedian would get off relatively easily for saying that word and slagging white folks than a white comedian dropping N-bombs and slagging black folks is a pretty decent example of what I was getting at earlier in the thread. If a white American comedian goes down that route he's enforcing an attitude that stems from the time of slavery which is still very much in force as shown in the surveys posted by another poster earlier. A black comedian slagging off white folks in a society where the majority of power held is in white hands might as well be slagging off people for being too rich or good looking. That's why you won't catch me as a white guy having a moan to myself about something being racist against white people. Other than possibly offending me personally a bit, it's very unlikely to have any baring on my actual life. Since racism is something seen as inherently damaging to it's victims, this is why I can understand the argument that it doesn't even deserve to be called racism in comparison to when racism is backed by the weight of deeply ingrained systematic prejudice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Where did he say that in the article posted? Anyway, you seem like a pretty sketchy person since if we take away your weird point about reperations which you pulled out of thin air, you're saying that if we were to somehow stack up everything white people have invented compared to slavery of black people that the balance tips in our favor, as if thats even something that could be quantified? I think you need to see a doctor. You also more than likely have never read anything about the racism of the US patent office back in the day and or about any of the whopper stuff black people invented (I know you said practically, I dont want to be owned again by some dictionary reading genius) that Id class as VERY important. (No idea how Id get on without the home games console, setting people on fire in GTA after a hard day trying to educate some of you lot ;) )

    Also, black slaves working on plantations added extra spices to the fried chicken previously eaten in the southern states of America which derived from scotish cuisine, effectively inventing the style of food sold st KFC, which is a company. You found a company, not invent it, you absolute wally.

    weirdest post Ive read in a long time.

    anyway.... not pulled out of thin air.

    "Chris Rock goes on to say that white people aren’t only responsible for their “actions,” but must take responsibility for those of their racist ancestors. He draws a comparison between racial discrimination and inheriting money.

    “Owning their actions. Not even their actions. The actions of your dad. Yeah, it’s unfair that you can get judged by something you didn’t do, but it’s also unfair that you can inherit money that you didn’t work for.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    weirdest post Ive read in a long time.

    anyway.... not pulled out of thin air.

    "Chris Rock goes on to say that white people aren’t only responsible for their “actions,” but must take responsibility for those of their racist ancestors. He draws a comparison between racial discrimination and inheriting money.

    “Owning their actions. Not even their actions. The actions of your dad. Yeah, it’s unfair that you can get judged by something you didn’t do, but it’s also unfair that you can inherit money that you didn’t work for.”

    I would say the exact same thing about yours and he's not suggesting white people should be held financially accountable for ancestors actions in what you've quoted. He's drawing a comparison between accepting money from our deceased relatives despite it not being earned on our own merit and accepting harsh judgement for the deeds of our ancestors despite a similar level of uninvolvement. I don't agree and I'd understand if someone thought it was a rubbish comparison but you're way off the mark if you seriously thought he was suggesting white people pay reperations.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    RWCNT wrote: »
    I would say the exact same thing about yours and he's not suggesting white people should be held financially accountable for ancestors actions in what you've quoted.

    I like this post about you from 'tin foil hat' which received over 100 thanks.

    "That would make you an absolute dunce."

    I do find cause to to agree with the good gentleman Mr Foil-hatte on this occasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    I like this post about you from 'tin foil hat' which received over 100 thanks.

    "That would make you an absolute dunce."

    I do find cause to to agree with the good gentleman Mr Foil-hatte on this occasion.

    Ive edited my post since you posted back because at first I honestly thought you were joking but read back. You thinking me a dunce is absolutely hilarious if your reading comprehension is THAT bad that you think he's suggesting white people pay reperations.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Ive edited my post since you posted back because at first I honestly thought you were joking but read back. You thinking me a dunce is absolutely hilarious if your reading comprehension is THAT bad that you think he's suggesting white people pay reperations.

    I didn't call you a dunce.

    Someone else did.


    and 104 .... nae .... 105 people agreed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    So does Chris think a white Irishman should own the actions of the white British 2 or 3 hundred years ago. The same time the white Irish were being mistreated by the white British.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    Letree wrote: »
    So does Chris think a white Irishman should own the actions of the white British 2 or 3 hundred years ago. The same time the white Irish were being mistreated by the white British.

    No. He doesn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    No. He doesn't.

    Has he clarified that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    Even if people were to take responsibility for the actions of their ancestors it would still not be all American white people.

    White people are not one great ethnicity. Should those descended from Slavic migrants from the late 1800's be held responisble for the actions of Anglo plantation owners of the 1600's?

    However in a purely american context you could argue that the current privilege that white people experience is a direct result of blacks being oppressed since the colonisation of america. So in essence, white americans are still reaping the benefits of slavery albeit inadvertantly.

    But what the hell can you do? Impose a white tax?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    I didn't call you a dunce.

    Someone else did.


    and 104 .... nae .... 105 people agreed.

    I didn't even say you called me a dunce? You agree with that poster so you clearly think me a dumce , which is still side splittingly hilarious since you've managed to get a pretty simple article completely wrong. Furthermore that user was calling me a dunce in reference to a slightly popular alternative definition of racism I presented which is more than fair enough.

    I haven't seen anyone, anywhere in this thread take the view you have that Chris is actually suggesting white people pay monetary reperations as you have. Because you're about as far off the mark as is possible to be. I feel kind of mad even responding to you because if your reading comprehension is that utterly woeful I can't really imagine you being able to comprehend anything in the written medium.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    RWCNT wrote: »
    I didn't even say you called me a dunce? You agree with that poster so you clearly think me a dumce


    No, no, you're clearly not a dumce.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,587 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    looksee wrote: »
    Unless you are talking about Brits and Ireland.

    Well a lot of brits would like to have the empire back so..............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    No, no, you're clearly not a dumce.

    Hahaha, now you're resorting to picking out typos? You really have absolutely nothing in this argument, do you bucko?
    Letree wrote: »
    Has he clarified that?

    Someone find a way to send this thread to his management. We can find out if Chris is on about the Irish as well (probably not) and if so, was he saying he want us to send monetary reparations? (Absolutely 0% chance whatsoever on the craziest day in whatever mad place TDM is posting from)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    Oh look - its at 113 now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Oh look - its at 113 now.

    Yet it's still on one of the first pages of the thread and has no relevance to your utterly insane theory which is what I've called you out on and you are clearly completely incapable of defending on any level.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Yet it's still on one of the first pages of the thread and has no relevance to your utterly insane theory which is what I've called you out on and you are clearly completely incapable of defending on any level.

    114. lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    114. lol.

    Beginning to think you might be keeping this going for the lulz now, you cheeky boy.

    Edit - Still gonna thank your posts though, you seem like a fun kinda person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭qt3.14


    Letree wrote: »
    So does Chris think a white Irishman should own the actions of the white British 2 or 3 hundred years ago. The same time the white Irish were being mistreated by the white British.
    1) We were British at the time too.
    2) The Empire drew most of its armed forced from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and later the Indian subcontinent so anything the white British did to the white Irish, well, odds are some white Irish had a hand in it too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    my white ancestors were too busy eating spuds to be concerned with the black slaves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Precious flower


    It really bothers me that the knee-jerk reaction to any talk on race that a black person initiates by white people is "Oh hey look at this period in history white people suffered under slavery too. Black people sold white slaves/But look how the English/Americans treated us etc etc". As if this makes the discussion on race by people of any black ethnicity immediately diminished.

    Let me ask you these questions: So, white people have been discriminated against and have suffered slavery at some time or another. But tell me do the majority of white people have to be worried about being discriminated against or racially targeted both inside and outside their own country. Who is the majority in charge globally? Who are the colonialists? Non-Caucasians were still viewed as quite inferior up until very recently and in many places that racism holds though people are not as vocal. How many white ethnicities have to be worried about being ill-treated globally? What is the marker of beauty in non-Caucasians? Is it a coincident is mirrors white ideals of beauty (Straight, sleek soft hair, pale skin, non-asian eyes etc)?

    Yes, white people have been targeted and some ethnicities have been marked as inferior, but white people have not been deemed inferior overall and certainly those ethnicities have not been deemed inferior and singled out for the same length of time that black people of all ethnicities have. Yes, within black and Asians communities people are targeted depending on religious beliefs and where they come from, that happens in every race in every country, but that is not the issue that is being discussed. Racism by some white individuals against non-Caucasians is, I suppose African-Americans just tend to be more vocal about it in American given their history.

    If you think of it this way, outside of Africa, in the majority of countires black people will be judged and marked out and seen as different because of their skin colour (a thing they cannot change like accent or finical situation). Even within Africa depending on the region you are from and the darkness of your skin colour you will be looked down upon by those of lighter skin colour like in North Africa because having a white skin colour due to colonialism is associated with power and beauty.

    Now if you are a white person and you go to any country you will not be judged on the colour of your skin. In Africa though I am not saying that there may be discrimination against white people, more than likely you will be deemed to have wealth and power due to your skin colour and thus be afforded respect. Yes white people have been discriminated against in (Irish in England/America, Eastern European etc) but over time they have assimilated. And do you know why? Because they are the same colour as the majority who reside in that country. Then simply change the accent and your assimilated.

    For people who have been marked as racially inferior across the world like Asians and blacks assimilation is not so easy. Therefore, while obviously Chris Rock was focused on race relations in the US, race is an issue world wide. Even being black and wealthy does not immediately shed away racist ideas. However I do believe it is wrong for Chris Rock to assume that all black Americans think that same way over an incident and that white Americans all share the same opinion over an incident. That just generalising. I think what Chris Rock was saying, (and just to be clear I am not a fan of Chris Rock's stand up I think he's a crap comedian so I am not standing up for him because I think he's great), is that we must recognise that the generations before us (and he said father not ancestors) had very different views on race and this was across the world (not every single white person but a significant majority). We must recognise this and while also recognising that while we have made great gains we still have some work to do. This is also not saying that black people for every ethnicity cannot be racist either but that we must understand the root of problems with race relations on both sides to over come them.

    Just because black people sold black slaves/ Irish people were slaves too does not diminish slavery in America or racism against non-Caucasians. We are hardly still suffering discrimination by the English or Americans that we did given our status world wide and that fact that we are white. I have no doubt that some English and Americans may be racist towards us (a handful of individuals) and maybe some black persons, but that discrimination is not a global trend and does not follow in every country by a significant amount of people. Our skin colour gives us an advantage and that cannot be ignored.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭BofaDeezNuhtz


    Our skin colour gives us an advantage and that cannot be ignored.

    Not in basketball it don't.....cause we can't jump.....:(


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