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Christians most persecuted and discriminated against worldwide

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    #32
    GalwayGuitar
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    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    You'll find most religions are persecuting each other all over the place throughout history.
    And the IS persecution of Christians isn't limited to that, they are also butchering anyone that didn't follow their brand of fundamentalist Islam, hence why Iran is fighting them too.

    And if people don't get the connection between my post and the thread, I'll spell it out with easy to understand words.

    The groups with the power and influence will always seek to make themselves the underdog, particularly when the jig is up and we can see the undue influence they've had in history and the damage done, so I'd true for white men and Christian Europe.
    Rather than spreading enlightenment they have spread misery and sponsored race and class warfare.
    Their time is up.

    That said, persecution of any kind against a defenceless minority is wrong and should be stamped out.

    But this type of Christians have it tough statement is to defend not those poor souls but the type of Christian conservative nonsense coming from the US and the UK, also an agenda pushed by the likes of Le Pen and her UK counterparts in UKIP.

    Ok I'll pass on the message that the Christians in the Middle East are getting what they deserve for their influence and all the damage they did.


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    #33
    GalwayGuitar
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    NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »
    WTF Are you talking about? Are you so utterly uneducated as to think that christianity has been a dominent force in the middle East?

    Christians are, in the middle East, an indigenous pre-Arab historically oppressed ethic and ethno-religious group. Similar to catholics in penal law ireland or jews in Europe.

    The accusations of privilege to them is historical nonsense, and moral imbecility.

    Does he think all Christians are white males or something?


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    #34
    ireland.man
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    NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »
    How about we ignore all your straw men arguments until people engage in them and worry about the actual theme of the thread. I woukd have thought the persecution of a minority would have elicited sympathy not sneering.

    CiDeRmAn Seems to think the Christians in the middle East are white males in Alabama whining about a reduction in privilege. This is not exactly true and you thanked him.

    I think debating who is most persecuted is stupid, narrow-minded and cruel. Christians are being tortured and murdered in North Korea right now yet you won't see anything about Juche in this thread but you'll see plenty of stuff about Muslims...

    It's awful to think people only talk about Christians being killed in order to score political points against Islam.


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    #35
    Grayson
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    See there are countries where people are actually persecuted.

    Then you get some idiot in Ireland screaming "I'm persecuted because I'm not allowed persecute others" because we want to bring in gay marriage.

    There is irony in the fact that most of the christians who claim to be oppressed in the west are actual oppressors.

    Genuine persecution however is rare in the west and wherever it occurs it's bad (Understatement)


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    #36
    Molester Stallone II
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    GalwayGuitar wrote: »
    Tell that to the Jews.

    No religion, no persecution, surely you can work that out without being led by the hand


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    GalwayGuitar
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    Molester Stallone II wrote: »
    No religion, no persecution, surely you can work that out without being led by the hand

    But you said anyone who believes in God deserves to be persecuted? Are you serious or are you a teenage atheist angry that his parents make him go to mass?


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    #38
    Molester Stallone II
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    GalwayGuitar wrote: »
    But you said anyone who believes in God deserves to be persecuted? Are you serious or are you a teenage atheist angry that his parents make him go to mass?

    No, guess again


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    #39
    GalwayGuitar
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    Molester Stallone II wrote: »
    No, guess again

    So you do think people should be tortured and murdered for believing in God?


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    #40
    DarkyHughes
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    Paddy Samurai wrote: »
    Given the time of year and the anti islam talk I think its important to remember that theres plenty of anti christian sentiment around the world too.There seems to be plenty of "Anti" any religion as long as its not ours,all over.
    People seem to be becoming religiously more hardline/polarised all over :(





    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/christians-most-persecuted-and-discriminated-against-worldwide-1.2046934

    If Prince Charles is so worried about Christianity being under attack in the Middle East why was he hanging out & licking the hole of the rulers of possibly the most undemocratic & least free state in the world Saudi Arabia less than a year ago. Bloody muppet.


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    #41
    ireland.man
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    If Prince Charles is so worried about Christianity being under attack in the Middle East why was he hanging out & licking the hole of the rulers of possibly the most undemocratic & least free state in the world Saudi Arabia less than a year ago. Bloody muppet.
    • Saudi Arabia is good according to the West, Syria is bad.
    • 90% of the Christians martyred every year are being killed by fellow Christians in the DR Congo.
    • The worst repression aimed specifically at all types of Christians occurs in N. Korea.

    It's not all religious persecution, or even all Christian persecution this thread is about, it's about Islam as usual.

    Yeah, you could accidentally fall in and drown in the crocodile tears being shed for Christians in war-torn countries.


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    #42
    DarkyHughes
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    ireland.man wrote: »
    • Saudi Arabia is good according to the West, Syria is bad.
    • 90% of the Christians martyred every year are being killed by fellow Christians in the DR Congo.
    • The worst repression aimed specifically at all types of Christians occurs in N. Korea.

    It's not all religious persecution, or even all Christian persecution this thread is about, it's about Islam as usual.

    Yeah, you could accidentally fall in and drown in the crocodile tears being shed for Christians in war-torn countries.

    I suppose if the price of oil is right then Christians & any religious minority for that matter can go to hell (no pun) for all the West cares.


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    #43
    ireland.man
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    I suppose if the price of oil is right then Christians & any religious minority for that matter can go to hell (no pun) for all the West cares.

    Yup. And then you have the fringe right-wing elements who get angry when you try to discuss problems faced by all persecuted Christians, rather than just the ones in the Middle East. Their sympathy for Christians tends to only be a pretext for attacking Muslims of course.


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    #44
    DarkyHughes
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    ireland.man wrote: »
    Yup. And then you have the fringe right-wing elements who get angry when you try to discuss problems faced by all persecuted Christians, rather than just the ones in the Middle East. Their sympathy for Christians tends to only be a pretext for attacking Muslims of course.

    That's true, they gave similar arguments to attack Vietnam when Socialism was the boogieman. And the right-wing nutters in the states are getting more & more extreme all the time so unfortunately I don't see the real problems being addressed anytime soon


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    Molester Stallone II
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    GalwayGuitar wrote: »
    So you do think people should be tortured and murdered for believing in God?

    Guess again, you have only 1 more


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    CiDeRmAn
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    http://www.gordonconwell.edu/about/

    And here's one of the organisations that sponsored the "research"


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    #47
    shruikan2553
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    Are Christians being targeted for being Christians or do they just happen to not be part of the right religion of that area?

    Not saying it makes it any better, I'm just curious. Although I imagine fox news are planing to implement it into something.


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    #48
    martingriff
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    nullzero wrote: »
    Ban all religions, problem solved.

    Could that not been seen as persucution


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    #49
    Zebra3
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    The Old Testament promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

    And now Christians are complaining about it.

    Talk about chickens coming home to roost. :rolleyes:


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    #50
    crockholm
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    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Are Christians being targeted for being Christians or do they just happen to not be part of the right religion of that area?

    Not saying it makes it any better, I'm just curious. Although I imagine fox news are planing to implement it into something.

    From what I have been told about the middle east,they are being targeted for being christian,but also it is just used by covetous neighbours to misappropriate the family's estate and possessions in many cases.


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    #51
    fran17
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    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    http://www.gordonconwell.edu/about/

    And here's one of the organisations that sponsored the "research"

    You doubt that Christians are persecuted?


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    #52
    The_Valeyard
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    The Old Testament promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

    And now Christians are complaining about it.

    Talk about chickens coming home to roost. :rolleyes:

    You know the Old Testament is about Jewish history and beliefs? Not about Christian faith per say.


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    #53
    RDM_83 again
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    The Old Testament promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

    And now Christians are complaining about it.

    Talk about chickens coming home to roost. :rolleyes:

    Hmmmm Christian means New Testament as well as old, thats a fcuking disgusting comment though lets I guess the Holocaust was worse than this current stuff since Jews exclusively follow the Old Testament :mad:

    On the broader point this isn't some new thing thats only being brought up because people want to bash Muslims in the West, its been a process for decades (William Dalrymple talks about it in a book from 97 for example)


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    9de5q7tsr8u2im
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Here on boards we don't like to hear about this kind of discrimination.

    especially christianity the religion of ireland, seriously those statistics look absolutely terrifying, whatever the religion of course


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    #55
    Zebra3
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    You know the Old Testament is about Jewish history and beliefs? Not about Christian faith per say.

    The first five books of the OT are the Torah.

    All 46 books of the OT are part of Christianity (RC Church anyway).
    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Hmmmm Christian means New Testament as well as old, thats a fcuking disgusting comment though lets I guess the Holocaust was worse than this current stuff since Jews exclusively follow the Old Testament :mad:

    On the broader point this isn't some new thing thats only being brought up because people want to bash Muslims in the West, its been a process for decades (William Dalrymple talks about it in a book from 97 for example)

    I'm fully aware Christianity means the NT as well as the OT, but that doesn't change the fact that Christianity promotes genocide, slavery, rape, incest and ethnic cleansing.

    And as I said above, Judaism is not based on the OT, but just the first five books of it, the Torah.

    So I didn't make any disgusting comment. I stated facts. You want disgusting comments, read up the Old Testament.


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    #56
    RDM_83 again
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    And as I said above, Judaism is not based on the OT, but just the first five books of it, the Torah.

    So I didn't make any disgusting comment. I stated facts. You want disgusting comments, read up the Old Testament.

    I'm fairly certain that a lot of the comments your talking about are from Leviticus and Exodus (christian names I know), so do you think that the Holocaust was just the chicken coming home to roost for the Jews?

    And which Christian church has ever actually promoted incest and slavery?


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    Zebra3
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    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    I'm fairly certain that a lot of the comments your talking about are from Leviticus and Exodus (christian names I know), so do you think that the Holocaust was just the chicken coming home to roost for the Jews?

    And which Christian church has ever actually promoted incest and slavery?

    Any Christian church that has the OT as part of its teachings promotes incest and slavery (along with plenty of other evil crimes).

    There's even plenty of advice in the NT for Christian slave owners on how to treat their slaves. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

    Abraham getting stuck in to his half-sister Sarah didn't seem to cause much consternation on the incest side of things.

    As for "the Holocaust", I assume you are referring to the Nazi Holocaust of which there was a huge range of victims from different racial, religious and political backgrounds. If any of those espoused views promoting genocide, well then yes, it is quite frankly a bit rich complaining about it then when it happens.


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    CiDeRmAn
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    Persecution on any individual or group due to their race, color, creed or sexual orientation is wrong and shouldn't happen, including Christians.

    And the article isn't exclusively about groups persecuted in the middle east for being Christian.


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    ireland.man
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    crockholm wrote: »
    From what I have been told about the middle east,they are being targeted for being christian,but also it is just used by covetous neighbours to misappropriate the family's estate and possessions in many cases.

    Most Christian 'martyrs' die in inter-communal violence related to a whole host of social and political factors. 90% of them die at the hands of other Christian sects. North Korea is probably the most intense persecutor of Christians in the world right now.

    But watch this thread and you'll see it's only a flimsy excuse to talk about Islam, Muslims and Arabs.


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    fire_side
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    ireland.man wrote: »
    Most Christian 'martyrs' die in inter-communal violence related to a whole host of social and political factors. 90% of them die at the hands of other Christian sects. North Korea is probably the most intense persecutor of Christians in the world right now.

    But watch this thread and you'll see it's only a flimsy excuse to talk about Islam, Muslims and Arabs.

    and how are you so certain of other peoples motives ?


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    ireland.man
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    fire_side wrote: »
    and how are you so certain of other peoples motives ?

    Fair enough, but will you join me in laughing when the majority of posts descend into posts about Muslims and Islam?

    I'll be so surprised if people here end up debating the solutions to Christian massacres in the Congo and how France is causing untold damage to the lives of Christians...


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