Christians most persecuted and discriminated against worldwide

Paddy Samurai

Given the time of year and the anti islam talk I think its important to remember that theres plenty of anti christian sentiment around the world too.There seems to be plenty of "Anti" any religion as long as its not ours,all over.
People seem to be becoming religiously more hardline/polarised all over

This year has seen more global persecution of Christians than any other in recent history. According to the International Society for Human Rights, a secular group with members in 38 states worldwide, 80 per cent of all acts of religious discrimination today are directed at Christians.

Last month Britain’s Prince Charles said it was “an indescribable tragedy that Christianity is now under such threat in the Middle East, an area where Christians have lived for 2,000 years and across which Islam spread in 700 AD, with people of different faiths living together peaceably for centuries”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/christians-most-persecuted-and-discriminated-against-worldwide-1.2046934

Menas

Please....no....just no.

suicide_circus

Here on boards we don't like to hear about this kind of discrimination.

o1s1n

Throw them to the lions! :pac:

nullzero

Ban all religions, problem solved.

Molester Stallone II

If you believe in a flying spaghetti monster, quite frankly, you deserve to be persecuted.

mad muffin

Would no one think of the athiests?

osarusan

:pac:

Zombienosh

Well they can just forgive them.

jaykay74

Anything to be said for an inquisition into the causes?

iDave

I thought I had seen a lot of ichthys drawn around the place lately.

NoMore MrNiceGuy

nullzero wrote: »

Ban all religions, problem solved.

The implementation of the banning of all religions is left as an exercise for the reader I see.

mikeym

http://davidould.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2013-christian-persecution-world-watch-list.jpg

AboutaWeekAgo

mad muffin wrote: »

Would no one think of the athiests?

They do enough talking about themselves, everyone else just kind of leaves them to it :pac:

NoMore MrNiceGuy

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

If you believe in a flying spaghetti monster, quite frankly, you deserve to be persecuted.

I think this is why new atheists are hated. Btw christians in the Middle East tend to be more secular than muslims and were the major supporters of secularizations -- for obvious reasons -- and declaring themselves atheists might not help their cause.

conorhal

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

If you believe in a flying spaghetti monster, quite frankly, you deserve to be persecuted.

Perhaps you can volunteer to stoke to ovens when the next round of religious persecution comes around in Europe?

CiDeRmAn

This thread reminds me of the emergent groups in the US campaigning for the rights of white men.
Ffs.
http://news.mensactivism.org

NoMore MrNiceGuy

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the emergent groups in the US campaigning for the rights of white men.
Ffs.

Jesus wept.

So the destruction of a powerless minority in the middle East is to be sneered at? I presume you think that campaigning for the rights of white men is not necessary? Do you really think that is true of Christianity in the middle East.

suicide_circus

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the emergent groups in the US campaigning for the rights of white men.
Ffs.
http://news.mensactivism.org

I dont quite get the connection?

GalwayGuitar

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the emergent groups in the US campaigning for the rights of white men.
Ffs.
http://news.mensactivism.org

So you think Christians aren't being persecuted in parts of the world?

danrua01

jaykay74 wrote: »

Anything to be said for an inquisition into the causes?

Wouldn't they expect that?

GalwayGuitar

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

If you believe in a flying spaghetti monster, quite frankly, you deserve to be persecuted.

Tell that to the Jews.

NoMore MrNiceGuy

Jesus wept. The sheer stupidity of the sneering in this thread at what's effecitvely a genocide is beyond belief.

NoMore MrNiceGuy

Genocides are ok as long as the people being genocided are a subset of a religion you don't like.

CiDeRmAn

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

So you think Christians aren't being persecuted in parts of the world?

You'll find most religions are persecuting each other all over the place throughout history.
And the IS persecution of Christians isn't limited to that, they are also butchering anyone that didn't follow their brand of fundamentalist Islam, hence why Iran is fighting them too.

And if people don't get the connection between my post and the thread, I'll spell it out with easy to understand words.

The groups with the power and influence will always seek to make themselves the underdog, particularly when the jig is up and we can see the undue influence they've had in history and the damage done, so I'd true for white men and Christian Europe.
Rather than spreading enlightenment they have spread misery and sponsored race and class warfare.
Their time is up.

That said, persecution of any kind against a defenceless minority is wrong and should be stamped out.

But this type of Christians have it tough statement is to defend not those poor souls but the type of Christian conservative nonsense coming from the US and the UK, also an agenda pushed by the likes of Le Pen and her UK counterparts in UKIP.

ireland.man

Muslims are being persecuted in Burma, Christians in Syria, anti-Semitism is still strong in many countries, etc, etc. The only way to approach all those cases of persecution is through a standard framework which applies the concept of human rights equally.

What CiDeRmAn alluded to above (I assume) is that the groups complaining about the persecution of Christians tend not to be as concerned with the persecution of Jewish people, or Muslims, and vice versa. They don't employ an overarching framework for dealing with all types of injustice.

For example, how many people who bemoan the deaths of Christians in Nigeria will actually oppose significantly increasing the numbers of Nigerian asylum seekers Ireland takes in every year?

How many people use post comments about Christian persecution will do so in order to denigrate the experiences of Muslims and to dismiss Islamophobia as a problem in the West?

North Korea has a terrible number of people on death row for simply being Christians yet in this thread we're going to hear far more about Muslims than athiests, communists, Juche fanatics, etc.

DEFTLEFTHAND

NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »

Genocides are ok as long as the people being genocided are a subset of a religion you don't like.

As ex Christians themselves they don't realise that they'd be the first up against the wall. Try explaining your atheism to an ISIS member.

NoMore MrNiceGuy

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

You'll find most religions are persecuting each other all over the place throughout history.
And the IS persecution of Christians isn't limited to that, they are also butchering anyone that didn't follow their brand of fundamentalist Islam, hence why Iran is fighting them too.

And if people don't get the connection between my post and the thread, I'll spell it out with easy to understand words.

The groups with the power and influence will always seek to make themselves the underdog, particularly when the jig is up and we can see the undue influence they've had in history and the damage done, so I'd true for white men and Christian Europe.
Rather than spreading enlightenment they have spread misery and sponsored race and class warfare.
Their time is up.

That said, persecution of any kind against a defenceless minority is wrong and should be stamped out.

But this type of Christians have it tough statement is to defend not those poor souls but the type of Christian conservative nonsense coming from the US and the UK, also an agenda pushed by the likes of Le Pen and her UK counterparts in UKIP.

WTF Are you talking about? Are you so utterly uneducated as to think that christianity has been a dominent force in the middle East?

Christians are, in the middle East, an indigenous pre-Arab historically oppressed ethic and ethno-religious group. Similar to catholics in penal law ireland or jews in Europe.

The accusations of privilege to them is historical nonsense, and moral imbecility.

ireland.man

NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »

Genocides are ok as long as the people being genocided are a subset of a religion you don't like.

Exactly! It boggles my mind to meet people who think one genocide is terrible but another isn't simply because the religions are different.

Unfortunately I've watched videos of Muslims being tortured and burnt to death by Buddhist and being hacked by Hindu extremists and so I have those images imprinted on my mind. Anyone would would talk about Christian persecution but then take a less compassionate view of Islamophobia needs to open up theirs minds a little.

NoMore MrNiceGuy

ireland.man wrote: »

Muslims are being persecuted in Burma, Christians in Syria, anti-Semitism is still strong in many countries, etc, etc. The only way to approach all those cases of persecution is through a standard framework which applies the concept of human rights equally.

What CiDeRmAn alluded to above (I assume) is that the groups complaining about the persecution of Christians tend not to be as concerned with the persecution of Jewish people, or Muslims, and vice versa. They don't employ an overarching framework for dealing with all types of injustice.

For example, how many people who bemoan the deaths of Christians in Nigeria will actually oppose significantly increasing the numbers of Nigerian asylum seekers Ireland takes in every year?

How many people use post comments about Christian persecution will do so in order to denigrate the experiences of Muslims and to dismiss Islamophobia as a problem in the West?

North Korea has a terrible number of people on death row for simply being Christians yet in this thread we're going to hear far more about Muslims than athiests, communists, Juche fanatics, etc.

How about we ignore all your straw men arguments until people engage in them and worry about the actual theme of the thread. I woukd have thought the persecution of a minority would have elicited sympathy not sneering.

CiDeRmAn Seems to think the Christians in the middle East are white males in Alabama whining about a reduction in privilege. This is not exactly true and you thanked him.

NoMore MrNiceGuy

ireland.man wrote: »

Exactly! It boggles my mind to meet people who think one genocide is terrible but another isn't simply because the religions are different.

Unfortunately I've watched videos of Muslims being tortured and burnt to death by Buddhist and being hacked by Hindu extremists and so I have those images imprinted on my mind. Anyone would would talk about Christian persecution but then take a less compassionate view of Islamophobia needs to open up theirs minds a little.

That's whataboutary. And this thread is about persecution of Christians in the Middle East. Your response was insane.

GalwayGuitar

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

You'll find most religions are persecuting each other all over the place throughout history.
And the IS persecution of Christians isn't limited to that, they are also butchering anyone that didn't follow their brand of fundamentalist Islam, hence why Iran is fighting them too.

And if people don't get the connection between my post and the thread, I'll spell it out with easy to understand words.

The groups with the power and influence will always seek to make themselves the underdog, particularly when the jig is up and we can see the undue influence they've had in history and the damage done, so I'd true for white men and Christian Europe.
Rather than spreading enlightenment they have spread misery and sponsored race and class warfare.
Their time is up.

That said, persecution of any kind against a defenceless minority is wrong and should be stamped out.

But this type of Christians have it tough statement is to defend not those poor souls but the type of Christian conservative nonsense coming from the US and the UK, also an agenda pushed by the likes of Le Pen and her UK counterparts in UKIP.

Ok I'll pass on the message that the Christians in the Middle East are getting what they deserve for their influence and all the damage they did.

GalwayGuitar

NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »

WTF Are you talking about? Are you so utterly uneducated as to think that christianity has been a dominent force in the middle East?

Christians are, in the middle East, an indigenous pre-Arab historically oppressed ethic and ethno-religious group. Similar to catholics in penal law ireland or jews in Europe.

The accusations of privilege to them is historical nonsense, and moral imbecility.

Does he think all Christians are white males or something?

ireland.man

NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »

How about we ignore all your straw men arguments until people engage in them and worry about the actual theme of the thread. I woukd have thought the persecution of a minority would have elicited sympathy not sneering.

CiDeRmAn Seems to think the Christians in the middle East are white males in Alabama whining about a reduction in privilege. This is not exactly true and you thanked him.

I think debating who is most persecuted is stupid, narrow-minded and cruel. Christians are being tortured and murdered in North Korea right now yet you won't see anything about Juche in this thread but you'll see plenty of stuff about Muslims...

It's awful to think people only talk about Christians being killed in order to score political points against Islam.

Grayson

See there are countries where people are actually persecuted.

Then you get some idiot in Ireland screaming "I'm persecuted because I'm not allowed persecute others" because we want to bring in gay marriage.

There is irony in the fact that most of the christians who claim to be oppressed in the west are actual oppressors.

Genuine persecution however is rare in the west and wherever it occurs it's bad (Understatement)

Molester Stallone II

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

Tell that to the Jews.

No religion, no persecution, surely you can work that out without being led by the hand

GalwayGuitar

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

No religion, no persecution, surely you can work that out without being led by the hand

But you said anyone who believes in God deserves to be persecuted? Are you serious or are you a teenage atheist angry that his parents make him go to mass?

Molester Stallone II

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

But you said anyone who believes in God deserves to be persecuted? Are you serious or are you a teenage atheist angry that his parents make him go to mass?

No, guess again

GalwayGuitar

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

No, guess again

So you do think people should be tortured and murdered for believing in God?

DarkyHughes

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

Given the time of year and the anti islam talk I think its important to remember that theres plenty of anti christian sentiment around the world too.There seems to be plenty of "Anti" any religion as long as its not ours,all over.
People seem to be becoming religiously more hardline/polarised all over





http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/christians-most-persecuted-and-discriminated-against-worldwide-1.2046934

If Prince Charles is so worried about Christianity being under attack in the Middle East why was he hanging out & licking the hole of the rulers of possibly the most undemocratic & least free state in the world Saudi Arabia less than a year ago. Bloody muppet.

ireland.man

DarkyHughes wrote: »

If Prince Charles is so worried about Christianity being under attack in the Middle East why was he hanging out & licking the hole of the rulers of possibly the most undemocratic & least free state in the world Saudi Arabia less than a year ago. Bloody muppet.

• Saudi Arabia is good according to the West, Syria is bad.
  
• 90% of the Christians martyred every year are being killed by fellow Christians in the DR Congo.
  
• The worst repression aimed specifically at all types of Christians occurs in N. Korea.

It's not all religious persecution, or even all Christian persecution this thread is about, it's about Islam as usual.

Yeah, you could accidentally fall in and drown in the crocodile tears being shed for Christians in war-torn countries.

DarkyHughes

ireland.man wrote: »

• Saudi Arabia is good according to the West, Syria is bad.
• 90% of the Christians martyred every year are being killed by fellow Christians in the DR Congo.
• The worst repression aimed specifically at all types of Christians occurs in N. Korea.

It's not all religious persecution, or even all Christian persecution this thread is about, it's about Islam as usual.

Yeah, you could accidentally fall in and drown in the crocodile tears being shed for Christians in war-torn countries.

I suppose if the price of oil is right then Christians & any religious minority for that matter can go to hell (no pun) for all the West cares.

ireland.man

DarkyHughes wrote: »

I suppose if the price of oil is right then Christians & any religious minority for that matter can go to hell (no pun) for all the West cares.

Yup. And then you have the fringe right-wing elements who get angry when you try to discuss problems faced by all persecuted Christians, rather than just the ones in the Middle East. Their sympathy for Christians tends to only be a pretext for attacking Muslims of course.

DarkyHughes

ireland.man wrote: »

Yup. And then you have the fringe right-wing elements who get angry when you try to discuss problems faced by all persecuted Christians, rather than just the ones in the Middle East. Their sympathy for Christians tends to only be a pretext for attacking Muslims of course.

That's true, they gave similar arguments to attack Vietnam when Socialism was the boogieman. And the right-wing nutters in the states are getting more & more extreme all the time so unfortunately I don't see the real problems being addressed anytime soon

Molester Stallone II

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

So you do think people should be tortured and murdered for believing in God?

Guess again, you have only 1 more

CiDeRmAn

http://www.gordonconwell.edu/about/

And here's one of the organisations that sponsored the "research"

shruikan2553

Are Christians being targeted for being Christians or do they just happen to not be part of the right religion of that area?

Not saying it makes it any better, I'm just curious. Although I imagine fox news are planing to implement it into something.

martingriff

nullzero wrote: »

Ban all religions, problem solved.

Could that not been seen as persucution

Zebra3

The Old Testament promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

And now Christians are complaining about it.

Talk about chickens coming home to roost. :rolleyes:

crockholm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Are Christians being targeted for being Christians or do they just happen to not be part of the right religion of that area?

Not saying it makes it any better, I'm just curious. Although I imagine fox news are planing to implement it into something.

From what I have been told about the middle east,they are being targeted for being christian,but also it is just used by covetous neighbours to misappropriate the family's estate and possessions in many cases.

fran17

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

http://www.gordonconwell.edu/about/

And here's one of the organisations that sponsored the "research"

You doubt that Christians are persecuted?