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Gardai with guns!

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I still see plenty with revolvers,id imagine the police prefer using them as they won't jam.

    If that's the case, then their training and maintenance in semi automatic pistols must be absolutely atrocious. There's no good reason for still using a revolver today. Unless they're not spending the money to replace them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    diomed wrote: »
    .. for the gun makers.
    Then the criminals need more and better guns. Then civilians need guns for protection.
    Instead of keep fit classes after Christmas we would need gun classes to learn how to use our Christmas presents.

    Nonsense. ..
    First off, a lot of criminals already have "more" and "better" guns than the Garda, thats why the there is an increase in armed Garda.
    Secondly, are you aware of the difficulty for a civilian to obtain a licence to legally keep a fire arm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Most if not all plainclothes detectives carry a .38 smith and wesson revolver.The armed response unit, regional support unit and branch use SIG's and other automatics as sidearms

    No such thing as an automatic sidearm. A Sig is a semi-automatic firearm, as are all other pistols unless illegally modified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Heckler


    diomed wrote: »
    .. for the gun makers.
    Then the criminals need more and better guns. Then civilians need guns for protection.
    Instead of keep fit classes after Christmas we would need gun classes to learn how to use our Christmas presents.

    Wow, your idiocy is impressive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭ROAAAR


    I look very similar to a drug dealer who used to live in Rathmines. I've been pulled over by the drugs squad countless times and I've most definitely seen one carry what appeared to be an uni gun. Do we really want are law enforcers carrying such weapons because let's call a spare a spare here some of them would be very well educated. There was a lot of time when people were getting their family into the guards even though the person was a bad tempered moronic idiot. Let's not try to pretend that didn't happen here in this country because it most definitely did and probably still does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    steveone wrote: »
    What happens if the squad car is stolen?

    They get the bus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    MadYaker wrote: »
    More guns means more people getting shot. At the moment petty criminals don't feel the need to have a gun themselves because they know their victims won't be armed and the Gardai won't be armed. Give the Gardai guns and that changes.


    Tell that to the old Garda Sargent from my town. He went unarmed to tackle two lads ages ago and they shot him in the legs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    ROAAAR wrote: »
    I look very similar to a drug dealer who used to live in Rathmines. I've been pulled over by the drugs squad countless times and I've most definitely seen one carry what appeared to be an uni gun. Do we really want are law enforcers carrying such weapons because let's call a spare a spare here some of them would be very well educated. There was a lot of time when people were getting their family into the guards even though the person was a bad tempered moronic idiot. Let's not try to pretend that didn't happen here in this country because it most definitely did and probably still does.

    Keep trolling, trolling, trolling, trolling, what!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I read somewhere that German police fire less bullets per year than American cops do per suspect. Probably Russia Today or something but there's probably a bit of truth in it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Mr_Muffin


    I don't think criminals really have guns bar maybe a few gangs in Dublin.

    It's not really a problem here thank god.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭okedoke


    No. It's safe to say they weren't waving them about just lining up to buy coffee and scratch cards!

    Did they feel lucky Punk?


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭TheOtherBloke


    Americanism.. its happening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭nelly17


    I wasnt aware that they were on their person, for some reason I always thought they were in a Lock Box in the back of the Volvo


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,233 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Heckler wrote: »
    Wow, your idiocy is impressive.

    Leave out the personal insults
    Keep trolling, trolling, trolling, trolling, what!

    If you have a problem with a post, report it

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    I read somewhere that German police fire less bullets per year than American cops do per suspect. Probably Russia Today or something but there's probably a bit of truth in it.

    They're rated the highest in Europe when it comes to dealing with mental health issues so it's not surprising.

    U.S. cops are trigger happy because a few lunatics got their hands on guns.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    ROAAAR wrote: »
    I look very similar to a drug dealer who used to live in Rathmines. I've been pulled over by the drugs squad countless times and I've most definitely seen one carry what appeared to be an uni gun. Do we really want are law enforcers carrying such weapons because let's call a spare a spare here some of them would be very well educated. There was a lot of time when people were getting their family into the guards even though the person was a bad tempered moronic idiot. Let's not try to pretend that didn't happen here in this country because it most definitely did and probably still does.

    Your right I wouldn't want some big ignorant culchie waving a gun at me just because I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,556 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    If that's the case, then their training and maintenance in semi automatic pistols must be absolutely atrocious. There's no good reason for still using a revolver today. Unless they're not spending the money to replace them.

    There was an attack on one of the UK royal family (Anne?) where one of the police on protection duty had his pistol jam. Happened in the 1970s and people still cite it as a reason to go revolver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Well unless they start running around attacking Polish people or travellers, you can't really make that comparison. Community Gardaí are all well and good but there is a serious undercurrent of complete disrespect for the Gardaí around the country because scumbags aren't afraid of them and know the judicial system is soft.
    yeah. but a gun isn't going to change that.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Just from what I have personaĺly seen, I think there is a steady increase in the number of Garda carrying firearms.
    I don't see the problem myself, if some parts of society had more respect for the law and their fellow countryman there would be no need for them.
    But unfortunately parts of society are being terrorised by the increasing proliferation of lawless scum who need taking down. If that means arming the Garda, then so be it.
    arming the gards isn't going to change any of that. a gun doesn't make those who don't have respect have respect. deluded nonsense. we don't need every gard armed. the ERU RSUS are enough

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Disagree in two ways. One, I don't think more criminals would use guns, I think there'd more likely be less people chancing armed robbery.

    Second, better armed than this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBLaST44oY
    again, wrong. armed police forces don't mean less armed robbery

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    arming the gards isn't going to change any of that. a gun doesn't make those who don't have respect have respect. deluded nonsense. we don't need every gard armed. the ERU RSUS are enough

    I never said it would change a particular section of societies attitude to law and order, I'm not naive. Nor did I say that they all need to be armed.
    What I was saying was that if they need to be armed to deal with a certain demograph of society then so be it.
    Edit:
    In saying that, it would never bother me if the entire force were to be armed, I personally don't see the problem.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Not necessarily. This argument usually revolves around the US experience, but it wouldn't pan out that way in Ireland. Possession of a gun alone is an offense here and unless it's a shotgun they're extremely hard to get, so petty criminals wouldn't be armed.

    New Zealand probably has the best system: regular cops aren't armed, but they have guns locked in the boot of all their squad cars. If they need a gun they have to get permission to unlock the box.

    I think it's a good compromise.

    I think that a very good system and would work very well in ireland too. however the issue is that it costs too much to buy the guns and ammo , and the time to train them in the use of the guns ,
    its just not cost effective


  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭ROAAAR


    Keep trolling, trolling, trolling, trolling, what!

    OMG I was so hammered typing that but I stand over what I said, without the typos of course. A lot of people have got their family into the guards who really should be in there because of their bad temper among other things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    If that's the case, then their training and maintenance in semi automatic pistols must be absolutely atrocious. There's no good reason for still using a revolver today. Unless they're not spending the money to replace them.

    If my life depended on it id rather have a well maintained revolver in my hand, that's just me though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    I think that a very good system and would work very well in ireland too. however the issue is that it costs too much to buy the guns and ammo , and the time to train them in the use of the guns ,
    its just not cost effective

    I think a good compromise would only give access to sergeants. They would be more responsible and experienced as well, so less chance of a Dirty Harry type situation. Keeps the regular guards unarmed as a force, but allows fast reaction with guns everywhere in country when need arises, so the public would be better protected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭ROAAAR


    ROAAAR wrote: »
    OMG I was so hammered typing that but I stand over what I said, without the typos of course. A lot of people have got their family into the guards who really should be in there because of their bad temper among other things.

    Dear Lord my typos are getting ridiculous for me to try make my point lol. Shouldn't * I think it's the predictive text on my phone changing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,413 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Heckler wrote: »
    No such thing as an automatic sidearm. A Sig is a semi-automatic firearm, as are all other pistols unless illegally modified.

    I think there is or was a Mexican or Spanish automatic pistol , maybe thirty years ago.They are a collectors item now .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    the ERU RSUS are enough

    You're way off. Far more than ERU and RSU are armed, in fact every detective grade Garda is. That's roughly a quarter of the force afaik.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    kowloon wrote: »
    There was an attack on one of the UK royal family (Anne?) where one of the police on protection duty had his pistol jam. Happened in the 1970s and people still cite it as a reason to go revolver.

    There are plenty of fellas walking around Dublin today who cheated death during failed hits because of semi autos jamming.They jam fairly often, even moreso when they are in the hands of somebody who hasn't the training to properly maintain and clean them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Mr_Muffin wrote: »
    I don't think criminals really have guns bar maybe a few gangs in Dublin.

    It's not really a problem here thank god.

    Not sure where "here" is...
    Take a look at the last week or so News items, its not even a top slot news item anymore due to the regularity of gun incidents.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Hal1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    roadsmart wrote: »
    You're way off. Far more than ERU and RSU are armed, in fact every detective grade Garda is. That's roughly a quarter of the force afaik.

    Oh Heavens Above, that's far too high!
    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Not sure where "here" is...
    Take a look at the last week or so News items, its not even a top slot news item anymore due to the regularity of gun incidents.

    I can't help but wonder now should we be looking to making it some way easier for guns with the average joe soap. Considering the full-timers who cannot be trusted to keep their tongue, or their heads at times, to think it's very possible they could be armed when they loose it, should they loose it, should people be entitled to a fair/equal way to defend oneself :confused:

    I've always been anti-gun ownership, but just cannot help but think this may be the way to go,

    Just a query,
    kerry4sam


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Heckler wrote: »
    No such thing as an automatic sidearm.

    The Glock 17C 18 would beg to differ, though, in fairness, it's more a novelty than a practical firearm.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    kowloon wrote: »
    There was an attack on one of the UK royal family (Anne?) where one of the police on protection duty had his pistol jam. Happened in the 1970s and people still cite it as a reason to go revolver.

    Hardly a convincing argument. There's a reason that all military and police sidearms introduced today are semi-auto. The vast majority of failures with semi-autos are due to poorly maintained or loaded magazines. The second most common is poor technique. (Mainly limp-wristing). Third is a dud primer, the fourth is external forces (mainly someone's hand holding the slide in place). As you can imagine, 3 and 4 are very rare, and both can be fixed in about a second, with one hand if necessary. (Of note, Wilson suffered a failure to fire during his altercation with Brown, presumably Brown's hand stopped the slide racking after the first shot. Wilson cleared it by pushing against his steering wheel). Compare that to the benefits of lighter trigger pull, less felt recoil, thinner profile and higher ammunition capacity, it's no contest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Ah the famous myth of the "unarmed" Gardai :)

    If my life depended on it id rather have a well maintained revolver in my hand, that's just me though

    Would you prefer six shots or 17 shots if your life depended on it?
    There are plenty of fellas walking around Dublin today who cheated death during failed hits because of semi autos jamming.They jam fairly often, even moreso when they are in the hands of somebody who hasn't the training to properly maintain and clean them

    Tap Rack Bang really isn't that difficult a concept.





    Lots of Garda with guns pr0n in this thread for the blissfully unaware.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056905814&page=3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭SVI40


    The Glock 17C would beg to differ, though, in fairness, it's more a novelty than a practical firearm.

    Should that not be the Glock 18?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    SVI40 wrote: »
    Should that not be the Glock 18?

    Erm... Yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    the special branch have been armed since its foundation, as far as I know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 546 ✭✭✭jimboblep


    I think there is or was a Mexican or Spanish automatic pistol , maybe thirty years ago.They are a collectors item now .

    The glock 18 is automatic as well
    edit someone got there before me


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Heckler wrote: »
    No such thing as an automatic sidearm. A Sig is a semi-automatic firearm, as are all other pistols unless illegally modified.

    o rly ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    kerry4sam wrote: »
    I've always been anti-gun ownership, but just cannot help but think this may be the way to go,


    I'm kind of curious. Why are you anti-gun ownership?

    Many of us use our guns safely. Some use guns for hunting, some use them for target shooting, and some for vermin control.

    If they are being used by sensible, responsible people who store them securely when not in use, and only use them for lawful purposes, then what's the problem with people owning guns?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm kind of curious. Why are you anti-gun ownership?

    Many of us use our guns safely. Some use guns for hunting, some use them for target shooting, and some for vermin control.

    If they are being used by sensible, responsible people who store them securely when not in use, and only use them for lawful purposes, then what's the problem with people owning guns?

    America.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    i have two legally held fire arms that i use mostly for target shooting , i would love to have the option of a option of owning a handgun as well,
    the fact that a couple of hundred million retards in america can not be trusted shouldn't restrict my ability in that way.


    as for the police having guns specifically revolvers , well the likelihood of needing to use a gun is slim and if they have to use it im sure they would rather be certain its gona work.

    when was the last time the gardai shot some one who really didn't need shooting ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Piliger wrote: »
    America.


    This isn't America. You can't compare us with them.

    It isn't easy to get a firearm in Ireland. There's a huge amount of hoops that you have to jump through.

    We have to prove that we are of good character, no intemperate habits, won't be a danger to public safety etc etc.

    We have to give permission for the authorities to speak to our doctor (in case we are mentally unstable, alcohol or drug dependent, suffer from severe depression etc etc.

    We have to give character references.

    We have to prove that we need the firearm and not that we just want the firearm. If it's target shooting, we need to provide evidence of being a member of an authorised range. If it's hunting, we need to provide evidence of where we are allowed to shoot, land permissions etc.

    We have to prove that we are proficient with firearms (that means that we need some sort of formal training to prove we are safe with the firearm).

    We can't put our firearms under our pillow or up on the wall. We have secure storage laws that dictate my firearms have to be kept in a BS 7558 standard safe when not in use. I must also have a monitored alarm on my house.

    It isn't a right to have a firearm like in America. We are allowed firearms if we have need of them and if An Garda Siochana or the courts allow us to have them.

    And another difference is that we aren't allowed a gun for self defence.

    There are about 200,000 legally held firearms here in Ireland and there isn't a problem with them.

    It's the illegal firearms in the hands of scumbags that you need to worry about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    i have two legally held fire arms that i use mostly for target shooting , i would love to have the option of a option of owning a handgun as well,


    You can apply for a handgun. As long as it is a .22 for target shooting, then there's no problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    the fact that a couple of hundred million retards in america can not be trusted

    There are millions of responsible gun owners in the US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭Dont call me Shirley


    Given what we know about the activities of the Gardai in the last 20 years or so I don't think it's an exaggeration of any sort to describe them as the largest criminal organisation in the state.

    The more of them carrying guns there are the more worrying it is for the decent law abiding citizens of this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Pataman


    Given what we know about the activities of the Gardai in the last 20 years or so I don't think it's an exaggeration of any sort to describe them as the largest criminal organisation in the state.

    The more of them carrying guns there are the more worrying it is for the decent law abiding citizens of this country.

    Really??
    A tiny minority of bad 'uns. Just like everywhere else in society.

    Do you need a bigger tar brush?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Given what we know about the activities of the Gardai in the last 20 years or so I don't think it's an exaggeration of any sort to describe them as the largest criminal organisation in the state.

    Shirley, you can't be serious.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    You can apply for a handgun. As long as it is a .22 for target shooting, then there's no problem.

    this i know , however , its even more difficult and expensive to get a licence for one,

    having fired a few on ranges it really isnt worth it , i ll stick to me rifle and shottie thanks.


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