Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 06:57PM

I want the state out of the marriage business and zero extra rights afforded to married couples or those considered to be married under law. Marry whomever or whatever you want.

Zen65 · 21-12-2014 07:06PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

I want the state out of the marriage business and zero extra rights afforded to married couples or those considered to be married under law. Marry whomever or whatever you want.

But you said it should be a binding legal contract just a moment ago.

A contract is only legally binding if it is recognised by statute and executable in courts. That's what a civil marriage does, but it also adds weight to protect those who sign such contracts by limiting the number of contracts one person can sign into at a time, and it confers benefits on children within a marriage to secure their inheritance rights. That's pretty much all that there is in it. And you want it abolished? Which parts, exactly, do you want to see abolished?

Or maybe you did not give much thought to your comment before you offered it?

K4t · 21-12-2014 07:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have some holidays planned for next year and have been hoping that the referendum isn't held during those holidays because I would be choosing to stay in Ireland to vote. Thankfully I seem to have avoided that.

I will be voting yes. It may not affect me directly now, but it may affect someone who I care about in the future and it certainly affects people that others care about right now.

I was asked by a ten year old yesterday when the date was announced "why do they have to have a vote for this, why can't it just be the way it is". I explained about our constitution and the requirement to vote to change it. Her response "yes, but why was it ever against the law, it doesn't make any sense"

We could learn a lot by listening to children's uncomplicated views a little more often.

I think all rational thinking people share that child's views but the constitution is the constitution.

I'll be voting yes so I can marry another man, though I'm not gay.

B_Wayne · 21-12-2014 07:48PM

fran17 wrote: »

That reply made me cringe for a moment and then I thought of it no more.No because online you have your anonymity and do not have to reveal who you are or what your thoughts are.I understand that throughout your day you cant be who you are because,for whatever reasons,society in the majority deems your lifestyle to be inappropriate.

That's just you and a minority that hold such an abhorrent view. My mother and her best friend are devoutly Catholic. They're in their sixties,don't find being gay to be some almighty sin and have every intention of voting yes in the referendum. Just because you're stoneage in your views, does not mean everyone is.

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 08:04PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

That's just you and a minority that hold such an abhorrent view. My mother and her best friend are devoutly Catholic. They're in their sixties,don't find being gay to be some almighty sin and have every intention of voting yes in the referendum. Just because you're stoneage in your views, does not mean everyone is.

Then they are a la carte Catholics. Not "devout". Devout Catholics would follow the teachings of their little book.

chupacabra · 21-12-2014 08:05PM

Will by flying home from Estonia to vote. Come from a very conservative religious family so I need to cancel out some no votes.

floggg · 21-12-2014 08:35PM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

There's more important things to be worried about tbh.
Who really gives a sh1te about this apart from the usual anti-Catholic Church loud mouthed mob?
It'll probably fail anyway as FG get a second 'wallop'.
Another €15 or €20 million of our money down the drain.

Gay people, their family, friends, people who believe in equality.

SpaceTime · 21-12-2014 08:53PM

I honestly can't see this as something to be used as a protest vote. It wouldn't make any sense, especially when there are a load of boring technical referenda coming up in 2015 too that might end up being used that way.

floggg · 21-12-2014 08:56PM

fran17 wrote: »

The statistics may appear to be favourable but this is because,just like in this forum,anybody who does not agree with your view is attacked viciously and nasty attempts to humiliate him/her ensue.Believe me though,when the majority of the people of Ireland are alone in a polling booth there voices will speak as one.

Yes, because those nasty surveyors stand over people holding baseball bats waiting for them to answer the wrong way in an anonymous survey.

I am fascinated by the mind set of people who are absolutely convinced of a position even when all available evidence points in the opposite direction.

Does doubt ever creep about whether you are right? Do you ever consider the possibility the surveys could be right? Do you look for any scraps of evidence to support your stance, or are you so convinced of your righteous that you dont need anything like facts or evidence to support your position.

floggg · 21-12-2014 09:07PM

TheQuietFella wrote: »

I'll be voting 'No'

In my view it's a sickness brought on by a level of neglect by parents or maybe a lack of!

its funny how Fran17 thanks this sort of nonsense post, and yet tries to play an outraged victim whenever people point to homophobia, bigotry and intolerance are pointed to as motivators for arguments such as his.

floggg · 21-12-2014 09:19PM

fran17 wrote: »

Why on Gods earth,sorry most people in this thread don't have a faith,on earth would you put a poll on a homosexual issue here.Of course homosexuals and supporters of homosexuality are going to be highly active in an online forum.I'd predict at least a 80% in favour vote here but this forum has absolutely no relevance to the opinion of Ireland as a whole.

Ironically the same approximate number in favour in the various off-line polls conducted...

floggg · 21-12-2014 09:26PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Please review my posts and find any instance where I said anything negative about gay marriage. I will save you the trouble.....there are none

I have a serious issue with the use of language and that has been my issue.
The no side don't care how I vote but the yes side have an issue here with anyone who isn't voting yes.....so the yes are courting all votes here

The no side do care - they want you to vote no.

The only ones who don't care about the result of a referendum are the "don't care side." They rarely manage to put together any sort of organised campaign. Lazy, indifferent feckers.

bodice ripper · 21-12-2014 09:29PM

floggg wrote: »

its funny how Fran17 thanks this sort of nonsense post, and yet tries to play an outraged victim whenever people point to homophobia, bigotry and intolerance are pointed to as motivators for arguments such as his.

word.

floggg · 21-12-2014 09:31PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Claiming hidden meanings after the fact........you could just be more careful with your language to avoid all the back tracking.........
although if you continue to backtrack you could end up in in ancient Rome where SSC have equal rights(tongue in cheek comment):)

Really?

I dont really know what it is your trying to achieve, but it was clearly a flippant response to Fran's nonsensical (and completely inaccurate) babblings.

Stop trying to pretend it is something it wasnt.

B_Wayne · 21-12-2014 09:58PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Then they are a la carte Catholics. Not "devout". Devout Catholics would follow the teachings of their little book.

Like the vast majority of the country so, they aim to be decent human beings.

eviltwin · 21-12-2014 10:06PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Then they are a la carte Catholics. Not "devout". Devout Catholics would follow the teachings of their little book.

Good. I grew up in a devout Catholic home. I've never met a group of people more judgemental in my life. Gay people can't change who they are nor should they. They aren't hurting anyone. Life is short, those of us lucky enough to meet a lifelong love should grab that with both hands and fcuk the haters. There are enough genuine bad people out there for the religious right to wring their hands over. Let people who are in gay relationships marry once and for all.

SEPT 23 1989 · 21-12-2014 10:11PM

Anything that the far right catholic headbangers in this republic are against i will vote for it

SpaceTime · 21-12-2014 10:17PM

I think a lot of commentators are actually having the American debate, not the Irish one.

Gay marriage doesn't seem to be a hugely controversial issue here looking at the opinion polling on the issue, the fact that it has political support from all parties. Other than one independent senator, I can't of anyone likely to oppose it.

It's a different environment to the US.

Delirium · 21-12-2014 10:19PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Then they are a la carte Catholics. Not "devout". Devout Catholics would follow the teachings of their little book.

accepting that not everyone is Roman Catholic and should be allowed to marry if they wish. A person can be devout without seeking to impose their religious rules on others.

eviltwin · 21-12-2014 10:37PM

Yamanoto sent me this clip that says it all really.

Its a US senator arguing in favour of SSM. What stood out is that she is a widow and she talks about how when she thinks of her late husband its not the physical act she misses, its the person, the companionship, the togetherness.

Gay relationships aren't just about sex.

Flem31 · 21-12-2014 11:17PM

floggg wrote: »

The no side do care - they want you to vote no.

The only ones who don't care about the result of a referendum are the "don't care side." They rarely manage to put together any sort of organised campaign. Lazy, indifferent feckers.

The no side in this thread don't care.......mostly they just spend their time taking pot shots at the yes campaign and the yes side continue to rise to the bait and fire back insults that label all non yes voters (which includes the not decided and don't care's).

I have yet to see a no voter in this thread actively look for more no votes.

By rising to the bait....you demean your own campaign and turn off a lot of undecided voters who instead of looking at the facts .......(which the yes side win hands down) just see two squabbling sides and may just increase the don't care's a hell of a lot more.

I know insulting comments have been thrown at the yes side in this forum, but its not as if there are too few monitoring here to return the volley........problem is, the return fire sometimes makes little of the undecided (some of whom you may need).

I have made this point several times and other have too.......but it is pointless when people are caught up in payback for decades of hurt\humiliation ( I can understand the reaction and in the same position I would probably be inclined to do it too) ..........but it may lose the votes to decide this issue in your favour
You have perhaps 1-1.5 million yes votes needed, why of why would you piss some of them off needlessly by cheap shots. Rise above it for five months and you will get what you want (sorry demand).

david75 · 21-12-2014 11:19PM

journal.ie has a poll on the referendum..the no vot is being utterly crushed
http://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-marriage-vote-1840498-Dec2014/

Flem31 · 21-12-2014 11:21PM

floggg wrote: »

Really?

I dont really know what it is your trying to achieve, but it was clearly a flippant response to Fran's nonsensical (and completely inaccurate) babblings.

Stop trying to pretend it is something it wasnt.

What was the point of you posting......it's not as if we didn't already know what your opinion would be

Flem31 · 21-12-2014 11:25PM

david75 wrote: »

journal.ie has a poll on the referendum..the no vot is being utterly crushed
http://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-marriage-vote-1840498-Dec2014/

Only problem is that this won't be decided by 15k people.
It is encouraging for yes side

SEPT 23 1989 · 21-12-2014 11:41PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Only problem is that this won't be decided by 15k people.
It is encouraging for yes side

It will be a landslide victory

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-12-2014 11:58PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It will be a landslide victory

... if people actually go out and vote.

It seems that the best bet for the no side is a dismally low turnout. Says it all really.

david75 · 22-12-2014 12:00AM

Flem31 wrote: »

Only problem is that this won't be decided by 15k people.
It is encouraging for yes side

Polls even on a site like that are usually good indicators, even thought theyre just straw polls..
getting people actually out to vote...another story entirely..

david75 · 22-12-2014 12:01AM

Public anger with the government(who are 'supporting' this) and referendum exhaustion..thats the biggest threat to it not passing.

Annasopra · 22-12-2014 12:19AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It will be a landslide victory

It definitely definitely won't if people are as complacent as you and assume it will. The yes side must not make any assumptions based on polls at all. Most people make up their mind in the week or so beforehand.

Flem31 · 22-12-2014 12:22AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Most people make up their mind in the week or so beforehand.

I agree with that....also an online poll excludes anyone without access to the internet......which is also a demographic more likely to vote than the ones tapping on a keyboard(including me)

Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

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