North Korea Wins!!!

recedite wrote: »

Also, I see the agenda is now changing; Obama is now threatening that the USA will retaliate in some secret way against NK.... because Kim Yong retaliated against Sony... because Sony offended/violated Kim Yongs personal rights.

Obama now looking for "Proportional" Retaliation.. :mad: Drop it you d*ckh**d.
Isn't that what NK thought that they were doing?
It's Sony, not a Government, granted they and Warner Bros. give the U.S. an entry into many Countries with their "Stop illegally downloading our overpriced sh*t" etc..
How Kim Dotcom was taken down in NZ and his servers around the World were shut down is ridiculous, even if people had legal documents on them... Hollywood has too much power. It's nice to see them taken down a peg or two.
I didn't hear Obama wanting proportional retalition when any of these were breached.
He's just looking for a reason to start another war.

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Imagine if North Korea made a film about murdering Obama starring top North Korean comic stars . Don't think he'd as a vociferous in his support of it as he is with "The Interview".

North Korea regularly threatens the entire population of the USA, including Obama, with murder through nuclear strike.

North Korean leaders have also also mocked Obama before in the most base and racist way imaginable.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/north-korea-calls-barack-obama-monkey-red-bum-racist-attack-1447819

These aren't satirical, fictional movies these are official announcements.

NoMore MrNiceGuy wrote: »

The sheer upset people have here for insane dictators is almost beyond parody.

Its also sad that so many don't seem to understand what free speech means.

wendell borton wrote: »

Larry Flynt's hustler is going to make a porn parody, hopefully it will further offend the easily offended.

Fat Asian male porn stars rejoice your time has come!

Tony EH wrote: »

Considering that there hasn't been a shred of actual evidence provided and that NK routinely gets criticised for behind pretty backwards regarding technology, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if it turned out not to be anything to do with North Korea at all and it actually came from North America.

Colour me unimpressed, unconcerned and totally unconvinced.

completely agree.

you also have to look at incentive. everything regarding polotics/economics etc is ruled by risk/reward.

to accurately make a judgement on who is most likely to have done this you need to look at what each likely party has to gain/lose from such an incident.

n.korea has little to gain from it, the primary incentive being the prevention of the interview from being aired.. thats about it. now what do they have to lose? obama might be putting them back on the terrorist black list, putting more sanctions on them and making them look worse than they already do. they also risk retaliation via cyber attacks from the US, and god knows what else.

america and sony on the other hand have much to gain from a "hack" like this. sony get massive publicity - how much would it cost to have the interview advertised on news stations all over the world for weeks and also to have obama speak about sony and the interview on national television? the interview is probably one of the most talked about films in every house hold presently. that just cant be done with regular advertising. not only that, but if sometime in the future they decide to air it, it will most likely be a box office record breaker making the company shed tons of money after getting free advertising.

the american government also have much to gain, they can now place more sanctions on korea and provoke a nuclear equipped ally of russia. i would like to note that just recently america has gone on a mission to ether bring russias allies closer to america for instance easing off on cuba returning prisoners to them, giving gitmo afgan prisoners their freedom back which does two things, 1) makes obama look good to increase his approval rating and 2) gives the opportunity to bring russias allies further away from russia and closer to america which is an obvious attempt to piss off russia.

based on this, i HIGHLY doubt it was n.korea and tend to think that it was much more likely to be america.

All superficially good points BUU, the problem is that they rest upon the assumption that the NK leadership follow the same model of rationality & risk/reward analysis, values etc as those in the West. For a society based so strongly around the cult of Kim the prevention or at least delaying of a film insulting to the Dear Leader (or whatever he calls himself) may well be worth a level of risk that simply wouldn't be considered in other societies.