Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Pro. F wrote: »

Indeed you didn't. But you did join in a conversation about Carrick, saying how you think people who put him down tend to rate the flair players and don't appreciate the subtleties of the the safety men and so the game in general. I'm pointing out that since I happened at that time to be singing the praises of a player who is very much a non-flair, safety player, that that criticism obviously doesn't apply.

Exactly I joined in a conversation that started before your weird Carrick/Britton remark. You projected it onto yourself. This may be hard for you to understand but not everything in this thread relates to you.

As your not rating Carrick or giving him his due the criticism obviously does apply but is not exclusive to every persons opinion on every player.

Carrick has much more to his game than Britton and many players rated better then him. Its a shame you can't see it but we won't get into it again. I pointed out many examples of Carricks sublime passing abilities before and you ignored them as nothing special so youv'e got a bias towards him which is entirely your perogative and I have no interest in trying to change that, as it would be pointless and its not worth getting drawn into a long argument trying to change such a poor opinion.

Leon Britton, Jack Cork and Tom Cleverley would make an unbeatable midfield, can't understand why they aren't at top clubs right this very minute!

bucketybuck wrote: »

Leon Britton, Jack Cork and Tom Cleverley would make an unbeatable midfield, can't understand why they aren't at top clubs right this very minute!

Charlie Adam could also do a job.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Exactly I joined in a conversation that started before your weird Carrick/Britton remark. You projected it onto yourself. This may be hard for you to understand but not everything in this thread relates to you.

As your not rating Carrick or giving him his due the criticism obviously does apply but is not exclusive to every persons opinion on every player.

I don't believe you even know yourself what point you are trying to make here.

You stated your opinion that people who don't rate Carrick don't appreciate the subtle players and the game in general. Since I had just been posting about how I don't rate Carrick of course it makes sense that your criticism was aimed at me, along with all the other people who don't rate Carrick. So it's perfectly reasonable for me to defend myself.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Carrick has much more to his game than Britton and many players rated better then him. Its a shame you can't see it but we won't get into it again. I pointed out many examples of Carricks sublime passing abilities before and you ignored them as nothing special so youv'e got a bias towards him which is entirely your perogative and I have no interest in trying to change that, as it would be pointless and its not worth getting drawn into a long argument trying to change such a poor opinion.

It's a shame you can't see the critical flaws in Carrick's game and can't appreciate the subtle skills that make Britton so much a better DM. But it would be pointless me arguing with you about it so it's not worth getting drawn into a long argument trying to change such a poor opinion.

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I do agree that Britton would probably fit the LVG mould a bit more than Carrick as he is an excellent passer and great under pressure, but I don't think he's as good defensively as Carrick, nor would I say he is as clever as Carrick on the ball, I am a big fan of Carrick and feel his value to the team has often been understated.

I am happy with Blind being at the club though, and he looks the natural successor to Carrick at the moment, which I would be happy with.

He's not as good a long passer as Carrick but he is so much tidier on the ball. And defensively Britton is excellent, I wouldn't say there's much between the two of them when out of possession (although age will probably affect Britton sooner than Carrick).

I think Blind is a big step down from Carrick. Good enough defensively, has the same issues when receiving the ball under pressure, but his passing is very weak in comparison.

For all the talk of LVG's commitment to possession football, when you look at some of his previous midfield selections, he has a habit of picking players who have defensive and passing skills but who are poor receiving under pressure, eg Gustavo, van Bommel (more dirty than defensive), de Jong.

Your Airbag wrote: »

I neve said anything of the sort, thats is all in your head, projecting an argument that isn't there.

You said exactly that in post 8547

Your Airbag wrote: »

Its not a poor opinion, your underating of Carrick is. Britton is a good player but doesn't have as much to his game as Carrick. Carrick is defensively better, a better passer and has better positional sense.

No, you are underrating Britton is!

...Do you not realise how stupid it would be to just keep repeating our arguments about these players back to each other? You think I am wrong about Carrick and Britton and I think you are wrong about them. Just fùcking leave it.

Pro. F wrote: »

You said exactly that in post 8547

No I didn't exactly say anything of the sort. This is what you say I said

You stated your opinion that people who don't rate Carrick don't appreciate the subtle players and the game in general.

What was actually said was

He (Carrick) is massively underated as a player in general. I'm not saying he is an Iniesta, Xavi or Scholes but as happened with Busquets people tend to rate the flair players and put down the safety men

I said people tend to underate due to comapring to the big names thus thinking lesser of the jobs the other do.

I said "people" and not "everybody" and later mentioned its not exclusive to every persons opinion on every players. No mention of subtle either.

I then said

When I see people not rate Carrick as a very good player I tend to dismiss any other opinion they have on football as they don't see the game within the game.

You see, people who don't rate him as a very good player, not people who don't rate him, as you said. To not rate him is to dismiss him altogether. You think Carrick has his uses and is not poor as you have mentioned so this was not reffering to you.

Your jumping fences to make it out i'm consturcting an argument that isn't being consturcted.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

nahhhhh you're grand love. I wasnt wrong.

You told me a few weeks ago to stay out and leave it to people who want to discuss football, im not cool enough to go back and search my history though. No doubt you will.

You are spoofer. You accused me of telling Rasta to not post in the thread when I did not, and he was in fact the one telling people to not post in the thread. The fact you are butthurt about something I said weeks ago explains why you are at this bollocks now.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

So..... Leon Britton at utd, Lvg buys him, are you happy?
Would you lol if Liverpool,chelsea,man city or any other half decent side bought him?

Since he is 32 now he would be a short-term buy, but that is not something to laugh at once the price was right.

He is also just now returning from a serious knee injury, so that complicates your hypothetical situation. If, for the sake of argument, he hadn't been injured in the summer I think he would have been an excellent addition to any of the top squads, and still better than the majority of DMs therein, including Carrick. But, as I say, a short-term option considering his age.

Pro. F wrote: »

Yeah I'm kidding. Hence all the subsequent posts where I explained and defended my position.

You do see how that is absolutely and utterly nuts though? Comparing a player who was playing Championship and below football (albeit playing well) to a player who was almost our player of the year a couple years back - and saying he was never better.