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Lesbians make more money

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    #32
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Musical Theatre not the cash cow it once was


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    #33
    efb
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    newport2 wrote: »
    New, for 2015, we now have The Sexual Orientation Pay Gap!!!

    The Guardian columnists will be in a frenzy, with the Irish Times in hot pursuit trying to emulate them. (I'm offering odds of 1/50 that straight white men will still be to blame for this somehow)

    Playing the victim here? White StraightMen really have had it hardest of all


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    #34
    newport2
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    efb wrote: »
    Playing the victim here? White Single Men really have had it hardest of all

    Where did I say that? I don't even belong to the category "White Single Men".

    In the type of articles I'm referring to, the default option is usually to attribute blame to men collectively as a whole, which like I said, gets irritating after a while. Nothing to do with being a victim, wherever you got that from. It's possible to find something annoying without being a victim.


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    #35
    efb
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    I don't think there are many that flatly blame straight White men for life's ill
    Sorry, straight not single


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    #36
    Dan_Solo
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    newport2 wrote: »
    Have a heart, conditions are very tough in Lezuania.
    C'mon now, there's already a joke for that.
    What do you call a woman from the island of Lesbos?
    Greek.


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    #37
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Of the class I graduated from in secondary school, the lesbians were disproportionately represented in the debate team, chess playing, inter school quizes and competitions, anything requiring a speech or an article, and top marks in honours classes.

    After school, they went on to be over-represented in post-graduate study and technical careers.



    Personally, I think once you have written off being girly, you are more comfortable with being competitive.


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    #38
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    The lesbianians making the news again.

    They come over here, take our women and our jobs.


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    #39
    MRnotlob606
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    They are also quite partial to strap ons.


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    #40
    somefeen
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    As long as they go on to actually ask why, rather than instantly shout discrimination.

    I'm a firm believer that pay gaps exist for reasons other than discrimination


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    #41
    Doctor Jimbob
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    efb wrote: »
    No just people who bemoan the loss of advantage for the sake of equality.

    I'm quite fond of men.

    The problem with this attitude being that the average straight white man isn't really at an advantage, rather there is an elite portion of society composed largely of straight white man. This reflects on the average straight white man in largely the same way that the wealth of Aengus Mac Grianna or Elton John reflects on that of the average gay man: i.e not at all.


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    #42
    efb
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The problem with this attitude being that the average straight white man isn't really at an advantage, rather there is an elite portion of society composed largely of straight white man. This reflects on the average straight white man in largely the same way that the wealth of Aengus Mac Grianna or Elton John reflects on that of the average gay man: i.e not at all.

    The average straight White man has it better than all other groups though not just the elite


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    #43
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    efb wrote: »
    The average straight White man has it better than all other groups though not just the elite

    Source?


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    #44
    efb
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Source?

    Let me get back to you on that


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    #45
    iDave
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    efb wrote: »
    The average straight White man has it better than all other groups though not just the elite

    As an average straight White man I wish I knew what I did wrong not to have it better than all other groups so.


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    #46
    Doctor Jimbob
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    efb wrote: »
    Let me get back to you on that

    Well, you were very quick to (correctly) call out someone for using a select few gay people as representative of gay people as a whole. Yet you're now using the wealthy elite as representative of straight white men as a whole. It just seems like a double standard.


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    #47
    Doctor Jimbob
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    Swinglong wrote: »
    In what way? I'd argue men in general are worse off in most first work countries.

    I think that's swinging the argument a bit too far the other way to be fair.


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    #48
    castletownman
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    The LPGA Tour probably skewers the figures :D


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    #49
    bodice ripper
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    Behind every minority success story, there's a straight white male to say how unfair it is.


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    #50
    Doctor Jimbob
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Behind every minority success story, there's a straight white male to say how unfair it is.

    The cynic in me would suspect that rather than being in a success story this study is just cherry picked data used to say 'Ha! See! No discrimination. Move along lads, nothing to see here'.


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    #51
    bodice ripper
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The cynic in me would suspect that rather than being in a success story this study is just cherry picked data used to say 'Ha! See! No discrimination. Move along lads, nothing to see here'.


    I dunno, all the lesbians in my life are very driven people. Also, if it is cherry picked, I would be inclined to think it was to make a feel good minority story, rather than to prove there is no discrimination.


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    #52
    Doctor Jimbob
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    I dunno, all the lesbians in my life are very driven people. Also, if it is cherry picked, I would be inclined to think it was to make a feel good minority story, rather than to prove there is no discrimination.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to imply that it's unlikely that Lesbians earn more money or anything of the sort. You could be right about the feel good story, but there's certainly a potential for misuse there as well.


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    #53
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    And to be fair, the lesbians (such as I thought I was at the time...) were also over represented in doing a pointless degree, drug use, being in a band, being in a fight, getting tattooed and pierced, and working in the red light district. So your mileage may vary.


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    #54
    Wibbs
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Source?
    The Leftist "liberal" Big Bumper Book of Specious Nonsense.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #55
    Doctor Jimbob
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    And to be fair, the lesbians (such as I thought I was at the time...) were also over represented in doing a pointless degree, drug use, being in a band, being in a fight, getting tattooed and pierced, and working in the red light district. So your mileage may vary.

    It's almost as if people can occupy a wide range of positions in society regardless of their sexuality. Who woulda thunk it? :pac:


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    #56
    okedoke
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    Is a middle class, financially "successful" lesbian more likely to come out, than a poorer lesbian?

    If so, that lead to a misleading finding of a pay-gap.


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    #57
    bodice ripper
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's almost as if people can occupy a wide range of positions in society regardless of their sexuality. Who woulda thunk it? :pac:

    Eh, yeah, we're getting there.

    I wanted to be a teacher when I was younger, at 15 I realised that wasn't going to happen in the country that I lived in, because you could still fire a teacher for being gay as long as you had a catholic ethos. And besides that, even if it wasn't legal, it was clear to me it would have caused issues.

    I saw appalling, if unintentional, treatment of these girls while in school. Just because things have improved, doesn't mean they are good yet.


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    #58
    jimgoose
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's almost as if people can occupy a wide range of positions in society regardless of their sexuality. Who woulda thunk it? :pac:

    As much as that sounds like crazy talk, it does appear to be the case. I suggest some sort of RFID tagging system to make wild generalisations, foaming-at-the-mouth Daily Mail-esque fearmongering and all kinds of general-purpose "isms" a lot easier for the rest of us stolid, decent folk who could be innocently encountering lesbians every day and would have absolutely no idea they were foreign.


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    #59
    efb
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Well, you were very quick to (correctly) call out someone for using a select few gay people as representative of gay people as a whole. Yet you're now using the wealthy elite as representative of straight white men as a whole. It just seems like a double standard.

    I said average looking at socioeconomic groupings.

    Like I have no issue with the ban on MSM blood donation even thought my blood is 100% ok


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    #60
    efb
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    iDave wrote: »
    As an average straight White man I wish I knew what I did wrong not to have it better than all other groups so.

    You below the curve. I'm apparently above the curve which shocked me, but I am single


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    #61
    Doctor Jimbob
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Eh, yeah, we're getting there.

    I wanted to be a teacher when I was younger, at 15 I realised that wasn't going to happen in the country that I lived in, because you could still fire a teacher for being gay as long as you had a catholic ethos. And besides that, even if it wasn't legal, it was clear to me it would have caused issues.

    I saw appalling, if unintentional, treatment of these girls while in school. Just because things have improved, doesn't mean they are good yet.

    Probably should have been clearer in my post, when I said 'can' I meant more 'have the potential to'. I realise discriminatory behaviour still gets in the way in the real world.


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