Lesbians make more money

efb

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Well, you were very quick to (correctly) call out someone for using a select few gay people as representative of gay people as a whole. Yet you're now using the wealthy elite as representative of straight white men as a whole. It just seems like a double standard.

I did say average I will get the source when I get to my laptop

Doctor Jimbob

efb wrote: »

I did say average I will get the source when I get to my laptop

Averages by their very nature get pulled up by extreme figures though. Please do supply the source though, I'm actually pretty interested on reading up on this stuff.

bodice ripper

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Probably should have been clearer in my post, when I said 'can' I meant more 'have the potential to'. I realise discriminatory behaviour still gets in the way in the real world.

Oh, I know. I just thought it was worth pointing out. I didn't think you were saying otherwise.

Bipolar Joe

Efb, your Tumblr account is calling you.

bodice ripper

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Efb, your Tumblr account is calling you.

There are fewer men on Tumblr than women on boards...

efb

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Efb, your Tumblr account is calling you.

tumblr???

efb

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201405/i-sometimes-feel-guilty-about-my-white-male-privilege

bodice ripper

Speaking of male privilege, isn't it nice to have a gay issues thread not revolving around gay white men?

efb

We are the privaliged in gay town- but get more abuse than lesbians less than trans

c_man

newport2 wrote: »

New, for 2015, we now have The Sexual Orientation Pay Gap!!!

The Guardian columnists will be in a frenzy, with the Irish Times in hot pursuit trying to emulate them. (I'm offering odds of 1/50 that straight white men will still be to blame for this somehow)

Ah the Guardian had a good rant a while back about a startup in the states that sells perfume for vaginas. It was all Silicon Valley man's culture this and 'straight white men to blame'* that. Turns out the CEO was a woman, but then the paper could hardly be expected to do such basic research and ruin a good rant...

I imagine they'll say that lesbians getting higher pay is due to deep seated, societal projections of what such woman should act like. Ultimately all the trouble stems from a straight, white man jacking it to lipstick lesbos on PornHub.

*what are the gender/race/sexual orientation demographics at that paper anyways for their journalists??

RDM_83 again

bodice ripper wrote: »

Behind every minority success story, there's a straight white male to say how unfair it is.

Maybe thats because the only message we ever here is that when one group does better than another its an important issue that needs to be solved. If we actually believe that every sexual/cultural/ethnic/Gender grouping has equal potential we actually have to believe it not cherry pick which groups are ok.

And the reason straight males might react to this is because we are constantly told we are the priviliged in society.
I'm an unmarried 30 year old man without children, compared to a woman of similar circumstances I'm.

More Likely to be unemployed

More Likely to earn less

More Likely to commit suicide

More Likely to be murdered

More Likely to be violently assaulted

More Likely to be arrested

More Likely to have substance abuse problems

Less Likely to have done well academically

Equally Likely to be abused online

Have less spent on healthcare research to sex specific illnesses

Be the main target of violent death in any media platform

In short tell me how people like myself occupy a special privileged place in society, by the actual measurable metrics the opposite seems to be the case

Annasopra

efb wrote: »

We are the privaliged in gay town- but get more abuse than lesbians less than trans

More abuse than lesbians?

efb

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

More abuse than lesbians?

IMHO

Annasopra

efb wrote: »

IMHO

Great I thought you were stating some factual analysis.

floggg

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I'm not assuming its prejudice in fact I'm considering that prejudice might not be the main driver as there is significant differences in the gap between 3 fairly tolerant societies but I'm curious about the cultural reasons why? If its a biological or deeper social cause shouldn't we expect the same rate between countries that are broadly similar like the UK and Canada?

Edit: And don't gay men have more testosterone rather than less anyway ?

I would imagine it could be a lot to do with children and family. I would guess lesbians tend to be more likely not to have kids and if they do they likely share child rearing more equally.

So they tend not to miss any extended period through maternity leave, and therefore more likely to achieve promotions and performance related pay increases.

As for gay men, could their own lack of children hurt them. There's the old room com trope about the man needing a wife/family to be seen as a mature responsible man worthy of promotion.

And perhaps also the need to support a family could give straight men more impoteus to demand pay rises and pursue promotions etc.

efb

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Great I thought you were stating some factual analysis.

No

SEPT 23 1989

myshirt

You don't hear the lesbians roaring and shouting about this one

bodice ripper

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Maybe thats because the only message we ever here is that when one group does better than another its an important issue that needs to be solved. If we actually believe that every sexual/cultural/ethnic/Gender grouping has equal potential we actually have to believe it not cherry pick which groups are ok.

And the reason straight males might react to this is because we are constantly told we are the priviliged in society.
I'm an unmarried 30 year old man without children, compared to a woman of similar circumstances I'm.

More Likely to be unemployed

More Likely to earn less

More Likely to commit suicide

More Likely to be murdered

More Likely to be violently assaulted

More Likely to be arrested

More Likely to have substance abuse problems

Less Likely to have done well academically

Equally Likely to be abused online

Have less spent on healthcare research to sex specific illnesses

Be the main target of violent death in any media platform

In short tell me how people like myself occupy a special privileged place in society, by the actual measurable metrics the opposite seems to be the case

I can believe that we are both getting ****ed over in very different ways. I don't believe the straight white male is involved in a conspiracy to **** me over. Anecdotally, it seems to me the straight white male is involved in a conspiracy to look after me, as all the closest relationships are with them.

I can, at the same time, be cynical about the fact that any thread about women or minorities doing ok turns into a lament for straight white male with greater and greater speed of late.

bodice ripper

myshirt wrote: »

You don't hear the lesbians roaring and shouting about this one

Cut me some slack, I am on the continent.

Nodin

myshirt wrote: »

You don't hear the lesbians roaring and shouting about this one

Later, when theres less cars on the road, they'll be easier to make out.

riclad

Maybe they get higher wages ,because they don,t usually take career breaks to have children ,
or they have less children than the average married woman.
OR some lesbians choose to have no children at all.

newmug

bodice ripper wrote: »

I can, at the same time, be cynical about the fact that any thread about women or minorities doing ok turns into a lament for straight white male with greater and greater speed of late.

Really? I mean, really?

As a straight white male, I log onto Boards every day and expect to find threads about Christmas, or the US making up with Cuba, or even something about Irish Water and the protests. Ya know, something topical.

But every time, there's someone trying to tell the whole world that they take it up the ar$e. They just cant see beyond the fact that, despite their sexual preference, we all face the same problems every day. Everything has to be about them, and more to the point, their sexual preference.

Well, I couldn't give a fcuk about who earns more money than anyone else, OR about the anatomy of that person, OR about their bedroom business. If they're successful, more power to them. These things do not matter a single fcuk, so why are you going around defining yourselves by these parameters, and then crying "oh look, I'm a minority, poor me aren't I special"!

So please, cut the "Iz it coz I iz black" bull, and just live and let live.

bodice ripper

newmug wrote: »

Really? I mean, really?

As a straight white male, I log onto Boards every day and expect to find threads about Christmas, or the US making up with Cuba, or even something about Irish Water and the protests. Ya know, something topical.

But every time, there's someone trying to tell the whole world that they take it up the ar$e. They just cant see beyond the fact that, despite their sexual preference, we all face the same problems every day. Everything has to be about them, and more to the point, their sexual preference.

Well, I couldn't give a fcuk about who earns more money than anyone else, OR about the anatomy of that person, OR about their bedroom business. If they're successful, more power to them. These things do not matter a single fcuk, so why are you going around defining yourselves by these parameters, and then crying "oh look, I'm a minority, poor me aren't I special"!

So please, cut the "Iz it coz I iz black" bull, and just live and let live.

Take it to whatever thread all that projection is happening in. It wasn't here.

Doctor Jimbob

bodice ripper wrote: »

I can believe that we are both getting ****ed over in very different ways. I don't believe the straight white male is involved in a conspiracy to **** me over. Anecdotally, it seems to me the straight white male is involved in a conspiracy to look after me, as all the closest relationships are with them.

I can, at the same time, be cynical about the fact that any thread about women or minorities doing ok turns into a lament for straight white male with greater and greater speed of late.

Careful. You're applying far too much logic for after hours.

newmug

bodice ripper wrote: »

Take it to whatever thread all that projection is happening in. It wasn't here.

Oh no?

bodice ripper wrote: »

Behind every minority success story, there's a straight white male to say how unfair it is.

bodice ripper wrote: »

I can, at the same time, be cynical about the fact that any thread about women or minorities doing ok turns into a lament for straight white male with greater and greater speed of late.

Doctor Jimbob

newmug wrote: »

Oh no?

In fairness cherry picking posts from someone who admitted different people get screwed over in different ways probably isn't strengthening your argument.

bodice ripper

newmug wrote: »

Oh no?

Yeah, I am not seeing the problem?


Are you labouring under the imagined impression that I am for the disproportionately high incarceration of males? Of wildly unfair treatment of men in family law? High suicide rates? Violent deaths? Restrictive gender roles? Based on what? I am a the very model of a liberal, pretentious, art house, dope smoking waster. Obviously I am against all of those things. Not a huge fan of jails or traditional gender roles.


I am cynical about why it makes you angry that I spoke about something I experienced first hand. Shall I start threads about the position of men in family law when I know not a thing about it, so I can deflect a hail of whataboutery?

Rothmans

newmug wrote: »

Really? I mean, really?

As a straight white male, I log onto Boards every day and expect to find threads about Christmas, or the US making up with Cuba, or even something about Irish Water and the protests. Ya know, something topical.

But every time, there's someone trying to tell the whole world that they take it up the ar$e. They just cant see beyond the fact that, despite their sexual preference, we all face the same problems every day. Everything has to be about them, and more to the point, their sexual preference.

Well, I couldn't give a fcuk about who earns more money than anyone else, OR about the anatomy of that person, OR about their bedroom business. If they're successful, more power to them. These things do not matter a single fcuk, so why are you going around defining yourselves by these parameters, and then crying "oh look, I'm a minority, poor me aren't I special"!

So please, cut the "Iz it coz I iz black" bull, and just live and let live.

It's mad the way the you manage to get a dig in against gay people at every possible opportunity in every possible thread so, given that you 'couldn't give a fcuk' about them. It appears to me that you seem to give many fcuks about them - you convey a real 'poor me' attitude, as you would say.