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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

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  • #602
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    1123heavy wrote: »
    Daith, not one person on this isle can marry someone of the same gender, we are therefore equal.

    Yes they can. They can get married in the British Embassy.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #603
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    fran17 wrote: »
    Eramen that is one of the most insightful posts I have ever had the pleasure of reading.Excellent.

    Insightful? Nah, it's just needlessly verbose and ignorant waffle.


  • #604
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Shrap wrote: »
    You don't vote, even when you feel strongly that something could be changed? What kind of thinking is that? And I speak as someone who seriously respected your input till now. Why bother even commenting as someone who holds a particular view if you won't put your mark where your mouth is?

    Gotta say, I thought better of you strobe :confused:

    Edit: I believe the term is "fail". An appropriate term when something that could only be good for people might fail to get the public off it's ass to vote.

    Voting isn't the only, or the most effective, method of effecting political change Shrap.

    (Did you really seriously respect my input? Probably best not to do that.)


  • #605
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    strobe wrote: »
    Voting isn't the only, or the most effective, method of effecting political change Shrap.

    (Did you really seriously respect my input? Probably best not to do that.)

    Generally, yes. From the sense you come out with on various topics. Not this time though. Bit embarrassed for ya tbh ;):o

    Hope you got some other trick up your sleeve to make your mark on equal rights in our delightful country. Perhaps you'll let us all in on your secret so we too can affect political change in a more effective way than boring ol' voting.


  • #606
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Shrap wrote: »
    Generally, yes. From the sense you come out with on various topics. Not this time though. Bit embarrassed for ya tbh ;):o

    Hope you got some other trick up your sleeve to make your mark on equal rights in our delightful country. Perhaps you'll let us all in on your secret so we too can affect political change in a more effective way than boring ol' voting.

    Well now I just feel bad. I hope your happy. :pac:

    I'll tell you what, if it passes, presume my secret political sleeve trick was responsible.


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  • #607
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    strobe wrote: »
    I'll tell you what, if it passes, presume my secret political sleeve trick was responsible.

    No. And if your "if" is pertinent, I expect you to feel much worse. In fact, I shall blame you entirely :)


  • #608
    Eramen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Insightful? Nah, it's just needlessly verbose and ignorant waffle.

    PP, always so needlessly critical of society and others in nearly every single post. And an ardent supporter of the 'equality' god! O' ye men of faith!

    But where is the self-criticism? This is what's most important; awareness of oneself is key, otherwise it's easy to get dragged away by false sentiments which seem intellectually sound from the outside, but really aren't.

    “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” - Marcus Aurelius

    It would seem in this world that men love themselves the most of all, but yet they put greater stock in the opinions of strangers than in their own opinion of themselves.

    So what's with the unhappy negativity in every situation? What do you actually stand for; and I'm not referring to politics. Think this over yourself. Don't make me suffer through your 'right to be offended' non-arguments once again.


  • #609
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Shrap wrote: »
    No. And if your "if" is pertinent, I expect you to feel much worse. In fact, I shall blame you entirely :)

    Ok, I'll vote so. Democracy in action. :/


  • #610
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    strobe wrote: »
    Ok, I'll vote so. Democracy in action. :/

    Bleedin' deadly! :D I hope your deed is as good as your word dude. That has actually made my day (sad, but true).


  • #611
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Gay Rights?

    fran
    fran
    fran
    fran


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  • #612
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »
    Unfortunately the polls are so skewed towards the Yes side the No campaign will have to go for shock, awe & bollox to have a hope of swinging this one.

    Expect to see abortion brought into the debate for absolutely no real reason bar stirring.
    Expect the bishops to reference some outline white paper first draft which discusses refusing communion to those who vote Yes. This will then be hastily denied.
    Expect stupid See No Evil / Hear No Evil type posters.
    Expect public spats with the referendum commission over equal time being afforded then a legal challenge being threatened after the result.

    Luckily the Yes campaign need do nothing bar let the anti-brigade have all the air time.
    One radio show listening to the Iona Institute or Mothers United Against something or other will have my Yes vote locked in.

    No no nooooooooooooooooo

    The polls are not a good indicator and there should never be a complacent yes voter who assumes it will pass.


    NEVER.

    It will pass if it is hard fought for.

    It will pass if all those in favour come out and vote in favour.


    Complacency and lazy assumptions will lose it.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #613
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Complacency and lazy assumptions will lose it.

    Totally agree. Well said.


  • #614
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Why on earth would anyone vote no?


  • #615
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Hannibal Smith wrote: »
    Why on earth would anyone vote no?

    Because children.


  • #616
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,162 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    lazygal wrote: »
    Because children.

    Which is a garbage reason that has zero basis in fact


  • #617
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Shrap wrote: »
    Bleedin' deadly! :D I hope your deed is as good as your word dude. That has actually made my day (sad, but true).

    Can I still light something on fire?


  • #618
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Yes. A normal marriage as I know it.

    Im more of a King man, but I don't see them as better or worse than tayto. You have Tayto. I'll eat King.


  • #619
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    lazygal wrote: »
    Because children.

    Lol...well that explains it ;)


  • #620
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    strobe wrote: »
    Can I still light something on fire?

    Oh jaysus yes. I'm not the police. In fact, am still "a person of interest" and a "known associate" in connection with some minor anarchy in the UK. Now in my 40's, I vote. Because, kids.


  • #621
    IsaacWunder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    Hannibal Smith wrote: »
    Why on earth would anyone vote no?

    Fear and ignorance I suppose. It's a wedge issue. I support equality and will vote yes if I'm around, but I honestly don't care about it that much either easy to travel if I was out off town.

    The Catholic church are opposed, so a lot of elderly people will vote no for that reason, and that is the big problem the yes side have: old people always vote, young and middle aged people, for the most part, don't bother unless it's a general election or something divisive.

    Remember, only 20 years ago nearly half the population voted no to divorce. Hard to imagine now, but it was an angry campaign. Same issues then too: Catholic church opposed it. Only passed because they had vote on a Friday (i think) and students' unions laid on buses to get young people down to their constituencies to vote for it. No side used the same "think of the children" appeals in their ads.


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  • #622
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    I will vote and it will be against homosexual "marriage".


  • #623
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    I will vote and it will be against homosexual "marriage" equality.

    FYP.


  • #624
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    I will vote and it will be against homosexual "marriage".

    Any "reasons"? Or is that too much to hope for?


  • #625
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Shrap wrote: »
    Any "reasons"? Or is that too much to hope for?
    For attention, it's Larry's MO really.


  • #626
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Will vote for Gay Marriage.

    EVENFLOW



  • #627
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    I will vote and it will be against homosexual "marriage".

    I can't understand that. Marriages are such happy loving occasions. Why would you use your voting ability to deny someone am occasion like that?


  • #628
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    IsaacWunder wrote: »
    Fear and ignorance I suppose. It's a wedge issue. I support equality and will vote yes if I'm around, but I honestly don't care about it that much either easy to travel if I was out off town.

    The Catholic church are opposed, so a lot of elderly people will vote no for that reason, and that is the big problem the yes side have: old people always vote, young and middle aged people, for the most part, don't bother unless it's a general election or something divisive.

    Remember, only 20 years ago nearly half the population voted no to divorce. Hard to imagine now, but it was an angry campaign. Same issues then too: Catholic church opposed it. Only passed because they had vote on a Friday (i think) and students' unions laid on buses to get young people down to their constituencies to vote for it. No side used the same "think of the children" appeals in their ads.

    That's all true. But imagine denying someone marriage on the basis of race. Its completely unacceptable. ..but because of their sexual orientation its perfectly allowable. Its so crazy in 2014/5


  • #629
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Shrap wrote: »
    Any "reasons"? Or is that too much to hope for?

    The idea that this is about "equality" is erroneous. We are all "equal". This is about relationships and all relationships are not equal.

    By all means allow homosexuals to enter into civil partnerships but marriage is a step to far. The relationship between two homosexuals is unnatural and wrong. Homosexual relationships are inherently unstable (Google will point you to any number of surveys confirming this). Heterosexual relationships are fundamentally built on a natural act (sex) and the creation of a family unit. To try and put that on the same level as homosexual relationships is offensive to "normal" people.

    In the last 30 years homosexuality has done very well for itself - It has escaped from the bath houses of San
    Francisco and is broadly tolerated. But marriage is a step to far.


  • #630
    giggle84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭giggle84


    This law may not directly affect you personally, but if there was some law that was directly affecting your right to be equal to everyone else, wouldn't you like to think that your neighbours would support you and take a half hour out of their day to cast their vote?


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  • #631
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Insightful? Nah, it's just needlessly verbose and ignorant waffle.

    Your game is very clear now pope,in a rather underhanded way you attempt to belittle and supress other posters rightful opinions by beginning conversations within the thread conversation with others of the same opinion as you and its rather distasteful in my opinion.examples #139,358,371,398,412,442,495 etc.Any original imput?


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