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What is happening with Jurys/Ard Rí Hotel

  • 17-12-2014 4:04pm
    #1
    deadybai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭deadybai


    Its being lying idle for years now and is a huge eye sore. I always wondered how it got planning permission in the first place. Sure its beyond repair at this stage. Why can't they demolish it? It really is horrible.


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  • #2
    anto9
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    It reminds me of that monstrocity in Central Dublin ,Liberty Hall . Both need to be demolished .


  • #3
    Trick of the Tail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    Should have been razed to the ground years ago. Its a blot on the landscape, an eyesore overlooking the city.

    The City Council have the power to demolish is and invoice the owners, but they don't have the guts to do it.

    So best to just leave it rot there and make the city look terrible.


  • #4
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    Nothing is the answer,IMO it has a minus value because the cost of taking down the building outweighs the value of the land, and it is a useless deign for a modern hotel .


  • #5
    deadybai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭deadybai


    This was uploaded in Jan 2011. Would nearly make you cry. Such a shame to let it go like this. Used to go up there often enough to the hotel and the gym. Looks like something from Chernobyl.



  • #6
    wmpdd3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    Is it all still there with just the hoarding on the front? You would think the cost of putting a car around it was more than demolishing it? Maybe not when the rubble had to be removed.

    I think it says beautiful location for a hotel.


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  • #7
    The_Shotz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭The_Shotz


    deadybai wrote: »
    This was uploaded in Jan 2011. Would nearly make you cry. Such a shame to let it go like this. Used to go up there often enough to the hotel and the gym. Looks like something from Chernobyl.


    Some venue for a disaster/zombie film!


  • #8
    anto9
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    For a quick demolition ,get in the old I.R.A .THEY DONE A GREAT JOB WITH NELSONS PILLAR .(though i did not agree with that ,as they could just have took off Nelson himself at the very top .) .


  • #9
    Finnbar01
    Registered Users Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    Wasn't there a castle on that site before? Does anyone know the name of it and any history about it?


  • #10
    freewheeler
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭freewheeler


    Flemings Castle was on the site before being demolished to make way for the hotel i believe...dont know any of its history though.


  • #11
    danjo-xx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    I would rather see the old grain mills go first tbh


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  • #12
    robtri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    danjo-xx wrote: »
    I would rather see the old grain mills go first tbh

    could not agree more.....
    the ard ri now it boarded up doesnt look to bad, the mills are appalling


  • #13
    Shane07
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Shane07


    I wouldnt like to see the Ard ri go to be honest,this could have been a landmark building had it not been left go to rack and ruin! It still has amazing views for a hotel which hopefully it can be restored to in time.Deff agree with above posts the North Quays are in a awful condition with parts on the mill starting to fall down now!.Until the Ard ri is sold or whatever happens I think it should have art work painted on it or something rather than just the current white colouring!


  • #14
    anto9
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    How long is it closed .I lived in Waterford City for several years up to around March 2008 .I think it was still open then ,or not ?


  • #15
    deadybai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭deadybai


    anto9 wrote: »
    How long is it closed .I lived in Waterford City for several years up to around March 2008 .I think it was still open then ,or not ?

    I think it was around that stage. When it closed. Not sure of the exact date. Im 100% it was closed destroyed by 2010 because was a Kilkenny 'Drive for Five' poster painted on the top.


  • #16
    deadybai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭deadybai


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055410375
    Here ya go. November 2008 was when this thread was started and from the comments it was smashed up by then.


    This article was uploaded in 2010. Says it was closed 4 years then. Not so sure about that
    http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/heartbreak-hotel/


  • #17
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Closed in 2006 if my debs memories are in tact


  • #18
    deadybai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭deadybai


    Professey Chin wrote: »
    Closed in 2006 if my debs memories are in tact

    Jeanie it doesnt seem that long. The fecking state of it in this photo. Surely its beyond repair.

    ArdRiDerelict.jpg


  • #19
    FestyOSemtex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭FestyOSemtex


    If only those walls could talk. I'd say there was some load of women rode in that place down through the years.


  • #20
    anto9
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    It just about signifies the state of the property market in Waterford ,even yet .Wish i had just 30 k to buy an Apartment ,by the river near the peoples park .


  • #21
    The Bowling Alley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭The Bowling Alley


    If the walls could talk:
    "Please...let me die...."


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  • #22
    lazeedaisy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭lazeedaisy


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055024491

    More chat here,


  • #23
    danjo-xx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    lazeedaisy wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055024491

    More chat here,

    5yr old thread :rolleyes:


  • #24
    lazeedaisy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭lazeedaisy


    danjo-xx wrote: »
    5yr old thread :rolleyes:

    I realise how old it was when I posted :rolleyes, thought it answered some of the questions on dates etc,

    If you feel to added nothing to the forum I am happy to take it down, I thought it was interesting,

    It's nice to CHAT, I guess you meet all sorts here huh :D


  • #25
    anto9
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    The 5 year old post was interesting as if gave a lot more detail ,and gave a time line .Thanks for that .


  • #26
    danjo-xx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    The OP asked
    What is happening with Jurys/Ard Rí Hotel

    It was from this point of view that I rolled my eyes over a 5yr old thread.

    This thread like most, went off topic, I stayed on topic.


    Anyway hope ye all have a good and safe wan!

    Sled-01-june.gif


  • #27
    lazeedaisy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭lazeedaisy


    Pedantic pat,

    During the forum other questions were asked, I thought I was offering another perspective,

    You win,

    I bet it's lonely at the top!


  • #28
    lazeedaisy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭lazeedaisy


    To be honest,

    In fairness,

    Staying on topic and proud,

    Not a great award to win,

    The best forums go off topic


  • #29
    danjo-xx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    lazeedaisy wrote: »
    To be honest,

    In fairness,

    Staying on topic and proud,

    Not a great award to win, I'm just following the forum rules and not out to win anything.

    The best forums go off topic
    So why have mods then!

    There are special off topic forums anyway if thats your choice.


  • #30
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    How in God's name can such a building be left derelict for nearly 10 years in such a prominent situation.

    What's wrong with this town? Does anyone give a $hit? Or is everything OK because it's wrapped up in a bit of plastic?


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  • #31
    Shane07
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Shane07


    I cant understand why they cant let Spraoi or some artists do an art piece on it or something better that just the white box look now! Is it still in Nama or was it bought?


  • #32
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,888 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    How in God's name can such a building be left derelict for nearly 10 years in such a prominent situation.

    What's wrong with this town? Does anyone give a $hit? Or is everything OK because it's wrapped up in a bit of plastic?

    oh god, don't open pandora's box!


  • #33
    shebzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭shebzie


    This is getting on all of waterford people I'm sorry but in my eyes fall..s back on this current government and strategy as it was promised to destroy plus other things ,waterford is sapose to be getting The people of waterford and other city, s and county's are keeping thing real,.not the lying government and we done way better b4 these


    Rant over


  • #34
    Hoffmans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Hoffmans


    Nama couldn't off load it even with a big brown envelope drop round the city...


  • #35
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    I'd say Dum Dum gave it a lash Saturday night, he had a cut off half the threads on here yesterday morning!


  • #36
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Someone needs to go up there will a few can of petrol and creates enough of a fuss that we'll all demand its ripped down.


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  • #37
    wmpdd3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    As far as I know the whole back of the 'white box' is burnt black with a good while. I think there have been a few attempts to burn it down.


  • #38
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    Why did it close in the first place?


  • #39
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    Why did it close in the first place?

    A typical tale of the Tiger. It was a successful hotel, the only one in town capable of hosting national conferences such as the ASTI and the INO which bring a huge spend wherever they go, not too mention local large weddings and dinner dances. Along come developers who look at all the empty green areas and think, why don't we buy this successful business, close the existing premises and get planning permission for an enormous hotel / conference centre / apartment blocks / assorted commercial units.

    The MCEniffs were made an offer they couldn't refuse, the Hotel was closed and grandiose plans drawn up. Tiger dies, developer can't finance, Hotel falls into disrepair. An absolute tragedy for the City in terms of jobs and outside spend, never mind the eyesore.


  • #40
    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    How much are they selling the hotel / site for?


  • #41
    obezyana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭obezyana


    That hotel was in need of desperate tlc even before it was closed down. It was falling apart. It is a shame its gone it had great views of the town. It always was an eyesore and until its knocked it always will be. A nice upper class housing estate up there would be nice. :D


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  • #42
    Deise Hurler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭Deise Hurler


    Should be bought and linked up with north quays development. Make the whole lot a park with a walkway over the dual carriageway and another walkway over the river. Put a cafe up the top
    where the hotel was. Artificial ski slope on part of the hill. Cable car going like the ones in Barcelona from the top of the hill over to the Viking triangle. Might sound a bit far fetched but would be great for attracting tourists to Waterford and there is great opportunity through tourism for Waterford.


  • #43
    JourneyMan8
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭JourneyMan8


    some interesting idea's but agree with the last comment, think whatever goes in its place has to go toward generating tourism, the perfect place to build something crazy to attract, then get the shopping centre up and running off the back of it.


  • #44
    obezyana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭obezyana


    Yep anything up there tourist related could be the way to go but sorry about being the negative one, id reckon nothing positive from the council or government will ever be done up there.

    A private group/developer will get the go ahead to build another ghost estate or retail complex. Obviously I could be talking out of my arse but given the nature of planning regs in this country i wouldnt be one bit surprised if that was to happen.


  • #45
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    Ah many a day me and the lack used to go up there drinking cans of lilt and devouring packets of "banshees bones" I used to recite Julius Caesar in the voice of Richard nixon."Hence, home you idle creatures get you home!. I will shed some tears when this beautiful building is knocked, it is magnificently perched over city, keeping an eye on us.Oh I feel so much nostalgia permeate through my feeble john's Park body.I long to once again have a tryst with my lady friend, with a paper brown bag over her face as I perform lascivious acts on her genitals.


  • #46
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    How in God's name can such a building be left derelict for nearly 10 years in such a prominent situation.

    What's wrong with this town? Does anyone give a $hit? Or is everything OK because it's wrapped up in a bit of plastic?


    Now 13 years. Crane count in Dublin is 117.


  • #47
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,888 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Dum_Dum wrote:
    Now 13 years. Crane count in Dublin is 117.


    Surely that can't be good for Dublin


  • #48
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Now 13 years. Crane count in Dublin is 117.


    Now 14 years.


  • #49
    azimuth17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    A row between two Kilkenny families in court apparently over who actually owns it. Disgraceful condition.


  • #50
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Is that related to this case https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5da061fb4653d07dedfd6d89


  • #51
    azimuth17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    My understanding is that judgement was against Tracy's so they have appealed?
    Am open to correction. Dreadful anyway, the site is a blight on the city and a deterrent to investment, as indeed is the Ferrybank centre. How many people really realise the latter is in Co Kilkenny, permissioned by them, and nothing to do with Waterford City planning?


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