Scum runs over 6 year old and doesn't stop

seamus · 18-12-2014 02:30PM

cerastes wrote: »

The description as above is as a car van, like a seat inca or something?

A Berlingo or a Kangoo most likely if it's a old An Post van.

Very popular with certain communities because they're good workhorses and the leasing companies sell them off cheap because very few people want to look like they're a postman.

Raging_Ninja · 18-12-2014 02:53PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look.

In theory, yeah, but you don't actually know that it is safe to cross until you look.

Just because it should be that way, doesn't mean it always will be.

Gongoozler · 18-12-2014 03:11PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

In theory, yeah, but you don't actually know that it is safe to cross until you look.

Just because it should be that way, doesn't mean it always will be.

But the responsibility should not be on the pedestrian. The solution is not to put it on the pedestrian, it's to enforce the rule.

FindersKeepers · 18-12-2014 03:29PM

What a ridiculous place to put a pedestrian crossing IMO. Way to close to the roundabout.
Hope the young girl survives and she and her family can recover from it all.

I had a conversation with my family last night and I said that if I was the first on the scene I would obviously go to the injured but if not I would have no problem following that sc*mbag till my petrol ran out. Shocking!

Cuddlesworth · 18-12-2014 03:32PM

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Why?

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Deenie123 · 18-12-2014 05:12PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Yeah, and the vehicle is probably burnt out in a field already.

MarkAnthony · 18-12-2014 05:16PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Deenie123 wrote: »

Yeah, and the vehicle is probably burnt out in a field already.

Well there was an eye witness that saw the person and it doesn't look as if anyone got a reg plate. The rest of those points could refer to almost anyone.

Summer wind · 18-12-2014 06:18PM

Poor little baby I hope she will be ok.

jaykay74 · 18-12-2014 06:33PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look.

You should always check and you should teach your kids to check. Bad habit to trust a driver in a car.

kona · 18-12-2014 06:48PM

That roundabout and the artane roundabout and every single crossing inbetween are just disasters.
Traffic lights 8m past a roundabout. Whoever designed it is touched.

seamus · 18-12-2014 06:54PM

kona wrote: »

That roundabout and the artane roundabout and every single crossing inbetween are just disasters.
Traffic lights 8m past a roundabout. Whoever designed it is touched.

That's pretty standard to be fair. Spawell roundabout has ped lights just after the exit too.

There's a balancing act between keeping the lights far enough away from the exit, but not so far away that pedestrians won't use them and will just run across the road. A sensible solution would be a raised platform at the exit to force traffic to slow down just after it exits the roundabout, as people have a tendency to put the foot down and so don't take note of ped crossings, etc, at the exit.

Gongoozler · 18-12-2014 07:14PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

You should always check and you should teach your kids to check. Bad habit to trust a driver in a car.

If rules weren't properly enforced we wouldn't need to.

Just as well I'm not having kids eh

ringadingding · 18-12-2014 07:24PM

seamus wrote: »

That's pretty standard to be fair. Spawell roundabout has ped lights just after the exit too.

There's a balancing act between keeping the lights far enough away from the exit, but not so far away that pedestrians won't use them and will just run across the road. A sensible solution would be a raised platform at the exit to force traffic to slow down just after it exits the roundabout, as people have a tendency to put the foot down and so don't take note of ped crossings, etc, at the exit.

No, sorry, but it's an awful style.
People are rushing to get on or off the very busy fast moving round about, youre checking your mirrors, switching lanes and then go straight into a ped crossing.

That particular roundabout is awful and that junction is crying out for a footbridge.

fryup · 18-12-2014 07:31PM

FindersKeepers wrote: »

What a ridiculous place to put a pedestrian crossing IMO. Way to close to the roundabout.

but thats the way most roundabouts are designed throughout the country

btw..any update?? did the catch him/her ???

cerastes · 19-12-2014 05:32AM

Grayson wrote: »

I'm a pedestrian and in my late 30's. It's a regular occurrence that cars ignore crossings or don't bother indicating. the number of times I've seen a car make a last second turn at full speed without indicating is ridiculous.

Regarding the incident last night, it sounds like he was describing an An Post van like this .

in an RTA like this it's always possible he wasn't to blame. Maybe someone walked out or something. It is however utter scumbaggery that he drove off like that.

Im not defending the guy (it seems), but indicating isnt a requirement, its better to do it right, but even thats a lot to ask. This is a problem that needs to be dealt with and hopefully the relevant authorities are dealing with it, but pedestrians and cyclists also ignore the rules of the road, not disputing the onus is on the driver to pay heed to others as they are driving the vehicle which is capable of causing injuries.

I was recently crossing a pedestrian crossing, cars were stopped, the crossing barely gives you enough time to cross as it is, going amber flashing man before you are across, cycle lane on the other side, I saw a cyclist powering down the lane a bit up the roas before I got halfway across, it was wet and I didnt think he could or had any intention of stopping, I paused as I approached the left side of the car, cyclist just tears through, I was nearly of the mind to put my fist out and hit him, as had I not seen him (it was dark) and he had no lights or reflectors. Had I not seen him, he would have cleaved the both of us out of it. Waiting for him to pass also left me standing in the dark on the road, being so close to the car, I can only hope and assume he could see me in the dark/wet.

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look. Just like drivers shouldn't have to slow down or watch out for pedestrians crossing randomly at undesignated points along the road.

In theory but I wouldnt risk that, in case the driver was distracted (phone/whatever).

Gongoozler wrote: »

But the responsibility should not be on the pedestrian. The solution is not to put it on the pedestrian, it's to enforce the rule.

Its everyones responsibility, but the onus is on the driver (legally Im sure) to watch out as they are in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle capable of causing serious injury. Also, In the event a person cant see or hear the approaching vehicle or could not be expected to know or be experienced of dealing with them or not cognisant of their surroundings as much as others (very young or old).
On the otherhand, people have to take responsibility too, not that Im faulting the victims of this, the guy is clearly scum, the accident, can and does happen, driving with someone on the bonnet, maybe for a split second it could occur, but driving on and over them, beggars belief. No surprises the mouthpiece of theses sorts will be quiet.

AudreyHepburn · 19-12-2014 10:39AM

I just don't understand how anyone could hit any person and keep going.

Either this person was so drunk or drugged they didn't know what they'd done or they have no heart or conscience.

Riskymove · 19-12-2014 10:41AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I just don't understand how anyone could hit any person and keep going.

well I can, not that I condone it, but I understand that a person could panic

what I cannot understand here, if proven to be true, is that the driver had the girl on the bonnet and when she fell off, then drove over her....if this is what happened...its a truly horrendous act!

AudreyHepburn · 19-12-2014 10:45AM

Riskymove wrote: »

well I can, not that I condone it, but I understand that a person could panic

what I cannot understand here, if proven to be true, is that the driver had the girl on the bonnet and when she fell off, then drove over her....if this is what happened...its a truly horrendous act!

I understand that people panic but I just don't accept it as an excuse for fleeing the scene.

Riskymove · 19-12-2014 10:46AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I understand that people panic but I just don't accept it as an excuse for fleeing the scene.

I said I don't condone it either

cerastes · 04-02-2015 12:39PM

Did they ever get this guy? I havent heard about the little girl in the papers so I assume she's ok?

Is this a case of same old story regarding the two other incidents which involved fatalities, move along, nothing will be done?

And in the event someone comes along and suggests Im posting this to get a response, yes I am, Im interested to know how these events were dealt with, ie this one and the other two which involved fatalities, were the people those responsible caught or are they still on the loose and just keeping a low profile until it all blows over, then back to the same old routine.

Scum runs over 6 year old and doesn't stop

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