Scum runs over 6 year old and doesn't stop

Deenie123

Just saw this on the Journal...

http://www.thejournal.ie/hit-and-run-6-year-old-girl-1841378-Dec2014/

A 6-YEAR-OLD girl has been hit in a hit-and-run in Dublin tonight.
The girl has been taken to Temple Street Children’s Hospital where her condition is described as serious.
It happened on the Malahide Road, Coolock at around 7:45pm.
A dark coloured van hit the child at the pedestrian crossing on the inbound lane city side of the Darndale roundabout.
The van which has been described as old and dark coloured -possibly green- continued driving towards the city.
Gardai in Coolock are investigating and are appealing for witnesses to come forward.
If anyone has any information they are being asked to contact the Gardai in Coolock on 01 6664200, the Garda Confidential Line on 1800 666 111 or any Garda station.

Also has a comment on it saying:

Was witness to this and assisted the girl, her mother & brother. Driver was a young male driving a green car/van like a post van… Drove with the girl on the bonnet for 10 to 15 metres, stopped and then drove over her before heading down the Malahide Road towards the Odeon ..

If that comment is true I hope the driver is identified and receives a fate worse than death. I can't get my head around how anyone can do that to such a small child. Disgusting.

Yet... I have a suspicion that the driver - if located - will be found to be from one protected minority or another, or has had a hard childhood, so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box and give them a slap on the wrist.

Damien360

Deenie123 wrote: »

Yet... I have a suspicion that the driver - if located - will be found to be from one protected minority or another, or has had a hard childhood, so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box and give them a slap on the wrist.

Drunk driver perhaps ? Could be from any class of individual, poor or wealthy

pebbles21

Damien360 wrote: »

Drunk driver perhaps ? Could be from any class of individual, poor or wealthy

But a scumbag all the same!

antodeco

Poor kid. She will be traumatised from that for a long time. Hopefully they catch him. A good few cameras down along that route anyway.

AlanS181824

Poor girl, awful thing to happen so close to Christmas.

Hope whoever did it is found and persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Deenie123

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Poor girl, awful thing to happen so close to Christmas.

Hope whoever did if is found and persecuted to the full extent of the law.

I suppose that's the point, though. You can kill someone on the roads and walk free, not spend a night in jail. There'll be some excuse. Some reason to let the fcuker walk.

Paco Rodriguez

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

anncoates

Deenie123 wrote: »

so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box

You think that somebody found guilty of what was described in the OP will get away with the probation act?

Cantremember

anncoates wrote: »

You think that somebody found guilty of what was described in the OP will get away with the probation act?

Probably Won't even get go court due to publication of witness statement on journal and boards prejudicing a fair trial.

cassid

Its a very busy roundabout and the traffic lights are almost on top heading towards the city centre. There is an exit from the Industrial centre & shopping centre just before the lights.

I hope the wee little thing is ok.

I was driving home from work today picking up the kids from the creche on a busy Dublin road down by Clontarf, this guy was right up my back side and then he pulls out and over takes 4 cars and barely made it back in lane, all to make a few metres. I don't know how he ever got a licence.

vicwatson

Damn traffic cams don't record :mad:

MarkAnthony

Anyone who thinks a Judge is going to go lightly on a hit and run, especially if he did run over the girl is sadly out of touch with reality.

I'll be willing to bet real money on the driver being drunk or drugged.

Luckily the lads at the 'Joy will be as outraged as most here and ensure he (assuming a he) gets a warm welcome.

MarkAnthony

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

Not a chance they would work in Ireland. Many drivers can't work out filters.

What's needed is a change in traffic light sequence so that the delay from the opposing junction is removed and camera set up to catch people jumping red lights.

Birneybau

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Poor girl, awful thing to happen so close to Christmas.

Hope whoever did it is found and persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Awful thing to happen full stop.

cerastes

The description as above is as a car van, like a seat inca or something? thats the description Im gathering from this, how the fcuk someone can drive over even a child and not cause crushing and fatal injuries I dont know, theres hardly any clearance under those, unless its a bigger vehicle, as much as I dont want to sound tough about it typing away, how someone isnt already out looking for this person with revenge in mind I dont know.

MarkAnthony

I'm sorry I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, cases are rarely simple, even the most heinous of crimes usually have some element that can lead one to have some understanding for the perpetrator. In cases like this though it'd be a medal I'd want to give someone who chased them down pulled them out of the car and gave them a good hiding before handing them over to the guards.

Venus In Furs

To be honest, I'd assume it's often the case in hit-and-runs that the driver goes into shock and just continues driving - spur of the moment thing; it's the kind of thing that is highly likely to cause someone to go into a daze/be overwhelmed by fear. The test is whether they come back once they come to their senses IMO.

But in this case - if it's true he continued driving with the child on the bonnet of his car...? "Maniac" is the word that springs to mind.

cerastes

Venus In Furs wrote: »

To be honest, I'd assume it's often the case in hit-and-runs that the driver goes into shock and just continues driving - spur of the moment thing; it's the kind of thing that is highly likely to cause someone to go into a daze/be overwhelmed by fear. The test is whether they come back once they come to their senses IMO.

But in this case - if it's true he continued driving with the child on the bonnet of his car...? "Maniac" is the word that springs to mind.

Who said it was a he? it probably was, maybe?
Ive heard of plenty of women hitting vehicles and driving on, either not giving a toss or thinking it doesnt apply to them or their insurance will be screwed.
Im more inclined to think, either too drunk/tired/stupid to notice care OR more likely self preservation, where either some drink was involved or they were driving recklessly and decided to forge on regardless due to their own beliefs.
I think its self preservation and reckless driving as the former means the driver might have crashed off the road out of being too drunk, either at the point of the incident or further on somewhere, although they may equally have awoken to their driving senses and kept going in an unnoticed way.

So drunk enough to fear getting caught, but sober enough to realise they are ****ed if they stop, turn themselves in a few days later when they have sobered up/had a good talking to by a kindly soul who advised them of the right thing to do. They say they cacked themself out of shock, kept going, realising they would get a worse book thrown at them for being drunk into the bargain.

Im horrified someone would do this and stunned how the child isnt deceased. Id like to think the person will be strung up, but at worst if even put away, they will be out in no time.
Hopefully the childs injuries arent serious or lasting.

Venus In Furs

cerastes wrote: »

Who said it was a he? it probably was, maybe?

As quoted in the opening post:

Was witness to this and assisted the girl, her mother & brother. Driver was a young male driving a green car/van like a post van

cerastes wrote:

Ive heard of plenty of women hitting vehicles and driving on

Yeh of course there have been female drivers who have done the above - who said there hasn't?

Allyall

They have cameras along that road, so hopefully it shouldn't take long to catch them, assuming it wasn't robbed.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

Not really relevant unless you can prove the pedestrians were at fault

The continentl system dosn't change anything - if you get hit while crossing at a green light on the continent, the driver is autoamtically in the fault. Doesnt matter whether you looked or not.

Nor does it make things any safer if the driver is just going to drive through the crossing, hit and run.

Paco Rodriguez

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not really relevant unless you can prove the pedestrians were at fault

The continentl system dosn't change anything - if you get hit while crossing at a green light on the continent, the driver is autoamtically in the fault. Doesnt matter whether you looked or not.

Nor does it make things any safer if the driver is just going to drive through the crossing, hit and run.

I'm not talking about blame...I'm just saying what would be safer for pedestrians.

If it was a filter crossing it would teach pedestrians to still look for oncoming traffic, as opposed to just walking when the green man appears.

Of course the driver is at fault, I never said otherwise. On the continent the police will fine you if you cross with a red pedestrian light too.

Leeleather

Hope she makes a full recovery, that driver should be hanged.Disgusting.

the_monkey

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

You do that in Ireland and there will be absolute CARNAGE.

Grayson

the_monkey wrote: »

You do that in Ireland and there will be absolute CARNAGE.

I'm a pedestrian and in my late 30's. It's a regular occurrence that cars ignore crossings or don't bother indicating. the number of times I've seen a car make a last second turn at full speed without indicating is ridiculous.

Regarding the incident last night, it sounds like he was describing an An Post van like this .

in an RTA like this it's always possible he wasn't to blame. Maybe someone walked out or something. It is however utter scumbaggery that he drove off like that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I'm not talking about blame...I'm just saying what would be safer for pedestrians.

If it was a filter crossing it would teach pedestrians to still look for oncoming traffic, as opposed to just walking when the green man appears.

Of course the driver is at fault, I never said otherwise. On the continent the police will fine you if you cross with a red pedestrian light too.

Didn't mean to imply that you did. The system as it is works fine. The European system only benefits drivers, neither makes a difference to pedestrians.

Sala

Disgusting. Anyone can hit someone accidentally, accidents do happen and people panic, but if the witness is right and he drove over her afterwards that's just so low.

Deenie123

The witness appears to have stated that he is known to be a member of a "completely upstanding law abiding minority that never does anything wrong and have a camp just meters from where this happened" who ran over a cyclist a couple of weeks ago. If that's true, the poor family and girl can kiss goodbye any chance of justice.

MarkAnthony

Deenie123 wrote: »

The witness appears to have stated that he is known to be a member of a "completely upstanding law abiding minority that never does anything wrong and have a camp just meters from where this happened" who ran over a cyclist a couple of weeks ago. If that's true, the poor family and girl can kiss goodbye any chance of justice.

Why?

DarkJager

Give the girls father 15 minutes in a locked room with this ****ing scumbag when he is caught. **** jail, anybody capable of doing something like this should be put down.

Gongoozler

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I'm not talking about blame...I'm just saying what would be safer for pedestrians.

If it was a filter crossing it would teach pedestrians to still look for oncoming traffic, as opposed to just walking when the green man appears.

Of course the driver is at fault, I never said otherwise. On the continent the police will fine you if you cross with a red pedestrian light too.

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look. Just like drivers shouldn't have to slow down or watch out for pedestrians crossing randomly at undesignated points along the road.

seamus

cerastes wrote: »

The description as above is as a car van, like a seat inca or something?

A Berlingo or a Kangoo most likely if it's a old An Post van.

Very popular with certain communities because they're good workhorses and the leasing companies sell them off cheap because very few people want to look like they're a postman.

Raging_Ninja

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look.

In theory, yeah, but you don't actually know that it is safe to cross until you look.

Just because it should be that way, doesn't mean it always will be.

Gongoozler

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

In theory, yeah, but you don't actually know that it is safe to cross until you look.

Just because it should be that way, doesn't mean it always will be.

But the responsibility should not be on the pedestrian. The solution is not to put it on the pedestrian, it's to enforce the rule.

FindersKeepers

What a ridiculous place to put a pedestrian crossing IMO. Way to close to the roundabout.
Hope the young girl survives and she and her family can recover from it all.

I had a conversation with my family last night and I said that if I was the first on the scene I would obviously go to the injured but if not I would have no problem following that sc*mbag till my petrol ran out. Shocking!

Cuddlesworth

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Why?

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Deenie123

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Yeah, and the vehicle is probably burnt out in a field already.

MarkAnthony

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Deenie123 wrote: »

Yeah, and the vehicle is probably burnt out in a field already.

Well there was an eye witness that saw the person and it doesn't look as if anyone got a reg plate. The rest of those points could refer to almost anyone.

Summer wind

Poor little baby I hope she will be ok.

jaykay74

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look.

You should always check and you should teach your kids to check. Bad habit to trust a driver in a car.

kona

That roundabout and the artane roundabout and every single crossing inbetween are just disasters.
Traffic lights 8m past a roundabout. Whoever designed it is touched.

seamus

kona wrote: »

That roundabout and the artane roundabout and every single crossing inbetween are just disasters.
Traffic lights 8m past a roundabout. Whoever designed it is touched.

That's pretty standard to be fair. Spawell roundabout has ped lights just after the exit too.

There's a balancing act between keeping the lights far enough away from the exit, but not so far away that pedestrians won't use them and will just run across the road. A sensible solution would be a raised platform at the exit to force traffic to slow down just after it exits the roundabout, as people have a tendency to put the foot down and so don't take note of ped crossings, etc, at the exit.

Gongoozler

jaykay74 wrote: »

You should always check and you should teach your kids to check. Bad habit to trust a driver in a car.

If rules weren't properly enforced we wouldn't need to.

Just as well I'm not having kids eh

ringadingding

seamus wrote: »

That's pretty standard to be fair. Spawell roundabout has ped lights just after the exit too.

There's a balancing act between keeping the lights far enough away from the exit, but not so far away that pedestrians won't use them and will just run across the road. A sensible solution would be a raised platform at the exit to force traffic to slow down just after it exits the roundabout, as people have a tendency to put the foot down and so don't take note of ped crossings, etc, at the exit.

No, sorry, but it's an awful style.
People are rushing to get on or off the very busy fast moving round about, youre checking your mirrors, switching lanes and then go straight into a ped crossing.

That particular roundabout is awful and that junction is crying out for a footbridge.

fryup

FindersKeepers wrote: »

What a ridiculous place to put a pedestrian crossing IMO. Way to close to the roundabout.

but thats the way most roundabouts are designed throughout the country

btw..any update?? did the catch him/her ???

cerastes

Grayson wrote: »

I'm a pedestrian and in my late 30's. It's a regular occurrence that cars ignore crossings or don't bother indicating. the number of times I've seen a car make a last second turn at full speed without indicating is ridiculous.

Regarding the incident last night, it sounds like he was describing an An Post van like this .

in an RTA like this it's always possible he wasn't to blame. Maybe someone walked out or something. It is however utter scumbaggery that he drove off like that.

Im not defending the guy (it seems), but indicating isnt a requirement, its better to do it right, but even thats a lot to ask. This is a problem that needs to be dealt with and hopefully the relevant authorities are dealing with it, but pedestrians and cyclists also ignore the rules of the road, not disputing the onus is on the driver to pay heed to others as they are driving the vehicle which is capable of causing injuries.

I was recently crossing a pedestrian crossing, cars were stopped, the crossing barely gives you enough time to cross as it is, going amber flashing man before you are across, cycle lane on the other side, I saw a cyclist powering down the lane a bit up the roas before I got halfway across, it was wet and I didnt think he could or had any intention of stopping, I paused as I approached the left side of the car, cyclist just tears through, I was nearly of the mind to put my fist out and hit him, as had I not seen him (it was dark) and he had no lights or reflectors. Had I not seen him, he would have cleaved the both of us out of it. Waiting for him to pass also left me standing in the dark on the road, being so close to the car, I can only hope and assume he could see me in the dark/wet.

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look. Just like drivers shouldn't have to slow down or watch out for pedestrians crossing randomly at undesignated points along the road.

In theory but I wouldnt risk that, in case the driver was distracted (phone/whatever).

Gongoozler wrote: »

But the responsibility should not be on the pedestrian. The solution is not to put it on the pedestrian, it's to enforce the rule.

Its everyones responsibility, but the onus is on the driver (legally Im sure) to watch out as they are in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle capable of causing serious injury. Also, In the event a person cant see or hear the approaching vehicle or could not be expected to know or be experienced of dealing with them or not cognisant of their surroundings as much as others (very young or old).
On the otherhand, people have to take responsibility too, not that Im faulting the victims of this, the guy is clearly scum, the accident, can and does happen, driving with someone on the bonnet, maybe for a split second it could occur, but driving on and over them, beggars belief. No surprises the mouthpiece of theses sorts will be quiet.

AudreyHepburn

I just don't understand how anyone could hit any person and keep going.

Either this person was so drunk or drugged they didn't know what they'd done or they have no heart or conscience.

Riskymove

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I just don't understand how anyone could hit any person and keep going.

well I can, not that I condone it, but I understand that a person could panic

what I cannot understand here, if proven to be true, is that the driver had the girl on the bonnet and when she fell off, then drove over her....if this is what happened...its a truly horrendous act!

AudreyHepburn

Riskymove wrote: »

well I can, not that I condone it, but I understand that a person could panic

what I cannot understand here, if proven to be true, is that the driver had the girl on the bonnet and when she fell off, then drove over her....if this is what happened...its a truly horrendous act!

I understand that people panic but I just don't accept it as an excuse for fleeing the scene.

Riskymove

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I understand that people panic but I just don't accept it as an excuse for fleeing the scene.

I said I don't condone it either

cerastes

Did they ever get this guy? I havent heard about the little girl in the papers so I assume she's ok?

Is this a case of same old story regarding the two other incidents which involved fatalities, move along, nothing will be done?

And in the event someone comes along and suggests Im posting this to get a response, yes I am, Im interested to know how these events were dealt with, ie this one and the other two which involved fatalities, were the people those responsible caught or are they still on the loose and just keeping a low profile until it all blows over, then back to the same old routine.