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Scum runs over 6 year old and doesn't stop

Deenie123

Just saw this on the Journal...

http://www.thejournal.ie/hit-and-run-6-year-old-girl-1841378-Dec2014/

A 6-YEAR-OLD girl has been hit in a hit-and-run in Dublin tonight.
The girl has been taken to Temple Street Children’s Hospital where her condition is described as serious.
It happened on the Malahide Road, Coolock at around 7:45pm.
A dark coloured van hit the child at the pedestrian crossing on the inbound lane city side of the Darndale roundabout.
The van which has been described as old and dark coloured -possibly green- continued driving towards the city.
Gardai in Coolock are investigating and are appealing for witnesses to come forward.
If anyone has any information they are being asked to contact the Gardai in Coolock on 01 6664200, the Garda Confidential Line on 1800 666 111 or any Garda station.

Also has a comment on it saying:

Was witness to this and assisted the girl, her mother & brother. Driver was a young male driving a green car/van like a post van… Drove with the girl on the bonnet for 10 to 15 metres, stopped and then drove over her before heading down the Malahide Road towards the Odeon ..

If that comment is true I hope the driver is identified and receives a fate worse than death. I can't get my head around how anyone can do that to such a small child. Disgusting.

Yet... I have a suspicion that the driver - if located - will be found to be from one protected minority or another, or has had a hard childhood, so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box and give them a slap on the wrist.

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seamus

cerastes wrote: »

The description as above is as a car van, like a seat inca or something?

A Berlingo or a Kangoo most likely if it's a old An Post van.

Very popular with certain communities because they're good workhorses and the leasing companies sell them off cheap because very few people want to look like they're a postman.

Raging_Ninja

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look.

In theory, yeah, but you don't actually know that it is safe to cross until you look.

Just because it should be that way, doesn't mean it always will be.

Gongoozler

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

In theory, yeah, but you don't actually know that it is safe to cross until you look.

Just because it should be that way, doesn't mean it always will be.

But the responsibility should not be on the pedestrian. The solution is not to put it on the pedestrian, it's to enforce the rule.

FindersKeepers

What a ridiculous place to put a pedestrian crossing IMO. Way to close to the roundabout.
Hope the young girl survives and she and her family can recover from it all.

I had a conversation with my family last night and I said that if I was the first on the scene I would obviously go to the injured but if not I would have no problem following that sc*mbag till my petrol ran out. Shocking!

Cuddlesworth

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Why?

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Deenie123

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Yeah, and the vehicle is probably burnt out in a field already.

MarkAnthony

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So many reasons.

Not a single person in that community will speak up.
The Van will be registered to a name and address that multiple members have.
The person responsible will easily change jurisdictions within a day.

Deenie123 wrote: »

Yeah, and the vehicle is probably burnt out in a field already.

Well there was an eye witness that saw the person and it doesn't look as if anyone got a reg plate. The rest of those points could refer to almost anyone.

Summer wind

Poor little baby I hope she will be ok.

jaykay74

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look.

You should always check and you should teach your kids to check. Bad habit to trust a driver in a car.

kona

That roundabout and the artane roundabout and every single crossing inbetween are just disasters.
Traffic lights 8m past a roundabout. Whoever designed it is touched.

seamus

kona wrote: »

That roundabout and the artane roundabout and every single crossing inbetween are just disasters.
Traffic lights 8m past a roundabout. Whoever designed it is touched.

That's pretty standard to be fair. Spawell roundabout has ped lights just after the exit too.

There's a balancing act between keeping the lights far enough away from the exit, but not so far away that pedestrians won't use them and will just run across the road. A sensible solution would be a raised platform at the exit to force traffic to slow down just after it exits the roundabout, as people have a tendency to put the foot down and so don't take note of ped crossings, etc, at the exit.

Gongoozler

jaykay74 wrote: »

You should always check and you should teach your kids to check. Bad habit to trust a driver in a car.

If rules weren't properly enforced we wouldn't need to.

Just as well I'm not having kids eh

ringadingding

seamus wrote: »

That's pretty standard to be fair. Spawell roundabout has ped lights just after the exit too.

There's a balancing act between keeping the lights far enough away from the exit, but not so far away that pedestrians won't use them and will just run across the road. A sensible solution would be a raised platform at the exit to force traffic to slow down just after it exits the roundabout, as people have a tendency to put the foot down and so don't take note of ped crossings, etc, at the exit.

No, sorry, but it's an awful style.
People are rushing to get on or off the very busy fast moving round about, youre checking your mirrors, switching lanes and then go straight into a ped crossing.

That particular roundabout is awful and that junction is crying out for a footbridge.

fryup

FindersKeepers wrote: »

What a ridiculous place to put a pedestrian crossing IMO. Way to close to the roundabout.

but thats the way most roundabouts are designed throughout the country

btw..any update?? did the catch him/her ???

cerastes

Grayson wrote: »

I'm a pedestrian and in my late 30's. It's a regular occurrence that cars ignore crossings or don't bother indicating. the number of times I've seen a car make a last second turn at full speed without indicating is ridiculous.

Regarding the incident last night, it sounds like he was describing an An Post van like this .

in an RTA like this it's always possible he wasn't to blame. Maybe someone walked out or something. It is however utter scumbaggery that he drove off like that.

Im not defending the guy (it seems), but indicating isnt a requirement, its better to do it right, but even thats a lot to ask. This is a problem that needs to be dealt with and hopefully the relevant authorities are dealing with it, but pedestrians and cyclists also ignore the rules of the road, not disputing the onus is on the driver to pay heed to others as they are driving the vehicle which is capable of causing injuries.

I was recently crossing a pedestrian crossing, cars were stopped, the crossing barely gives you enough time to cross as it is, going amber flashing man before you are across, cycle lane on the other side, I saw a cyclist powering down the lane a bit up the roas before I got halfway across, it was wet and I didnt think he could or had any intention of stopping, I paused as I approached the left side of the car, cyclist just tears through, I was nearly of the mind to put my fist out and hit him, as had I not seen him (it was dark) and he had no lights or reflectors. Had I not seen him, he would have cleaved the both of us out of it. Waiting for him to pass also left me standing in the dark on the road, being so close to the car, I can only hope and assume he could see me in the dark/wet.

Gongoozler wrote: »

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look. Just like drivers shouldn't have to slow down or watch out for pedestrians crossing randomly at undesignated points along the road.

In theory but I wouldnt risk that, in case the driver was distracted (phone/whatever).

Gongoozler wrote: »

But the responsibility should not be on the pedestrian. The solution is not to put it on the pedestrian, it's to enforce the rule.

Its everyones responsibility, but the onus is on the driver (legally Im sure) to watch out as they are in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle capable of causing serious injury. Also, In the event a person cant see or hear the approaching vehicle or could not be expected to know or be experienced of dealing with them or not cognisant of their surroundings as much as others (very young or old).
On the otherhand, people have to take responsibility too, not that Im faulting the victims of this, the guy is clearly scum, the accident, can and does happen, driving with someone on the bonnet, maybe for a split second it could occur, but driving on and over them, beggars belief. No surprises the mouthpiece of theses sorts will be quiet.

AudreyHepburn

I just don't understand how anyone could hit any person and keep going.

Either this person was so drunk or drugged they didn't know what they'd done or they have no heart or conscience.

Riskymove

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I just don't understand how anyone could hit any person and keep going.

well I can, not that I condone it, but I understand that a person could panic

what I cannot understand here, if proven to be true, is that the driver had the girl on the bonnet and when she fell off, then drove over her....if this is what happened...its a truly horrendous act!

AudreyHepburn

Riskymove wrote: »

well I can, not that I condone it, but I understand that a person could panic

what I cannot understand here, if proven to be true, is that the driver had the girl on the bonnet and when she fell off, then drove over her....if this is what happened...its a truly horrendous act!

I understand that people panic but I just don't accept it as an excuse for fleeing the scene.

Riskymove

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I understand that people panic but I just don't accept it as an excuse for fleeing the scene.

I said I don't condone it either

cerastes

Did they ever get this guy? I havent heard about the little girl in the papers so I assume she's ok?

Is this a case of same old story regarding the two other incidents which involved fatalities, move along, nothing will be done?

And in the event someone comes along and suggests Im posting this to get a response, yes I am, Im interested to know how these events were dealt with, ie this one and the other two which involved fatalities, were the people those responsible caught or are they still on the loose and just keeping a low profile until it all blows over, then back to the same old routine.