Ultimate Cell

Chimaera · 25-07-2014 06:44PM

Ultimate Cell wrote: »

Hello again,

Just to clarify,
Ultimate cell is actually a brand name for a product which is being installed and distributed under licence by Ozone Cars and Cabs limited in Dublin ( company registration number 528753).However Thank you for bringing the detail of our website to our attention, we will rectify that as soon as possible.
As previously stated, our website has a full technical section for potential customers or critics to explore, and if there are any remaining questions, we will be more than happy to respond to any phone call or email.
the product has been fully tried, tested and proven in Portugal as well as here in Ireland, but again a reminder that the product comes with a full 30 day money back guarantee.

Also just to mention, I am aware that Boards.ie is not a platform to advertise commercial products but it does allow for companies to respond to criticism from customers who are unfamiliar with a product, but yet decide to put it down anyway.

Ozone are a young and vibrant and never shy from a challenge, therefore we would be very eager for a boards member to trial our product completely free of charge and for them to give THEIR opinion of the product along with proven data.
Please send an email to us directly and we will arrange for this as soon as possible.
The Ultimate Cell Team

I've read the 'Technical' section on your site. It's full of the usual pseudo-scientific crap that accompanies HHO devices. What I'm requesting is detailed technical analysis, citing specific scientific principles and literature, showing exactly how the device achieves the stated performance. If you can't provide this, I'll have to assume that it's the usual HHO rubbish.

colm_mcm · 25-07-2014 07:11PM

Until even one car manufacturer (who are all mad keen to produce cleaner cars) adopts this I'll remain skeptical/convinced this is nonsense.

ironclaw · 25-07-2014 09:58PM

@Ultimate Cell, do you have any peer reviews papers? Academically reviewed that is.

Zaph · 25-07-2014 10:51PM

Ultimate Cell, as you are posting on behalf of a company I have to ask you to refrain from posting any further until you have obtained a verified rep account from the guys in the office. They can be contacted at reps@boards.ie

Please note that further posts without having first obtained a verified rep account will result in a siteban.

Tail Docker · 25-07-2014 11:10PM

Ultimate Cell wrote: »

Hello again,

Just to clarify,
Ultimate cell is actually a brand name for a product which is being installed and distributed under licence by Ozone Cars and Cabs limited in Dublin ( company registration number 528753).However Thank you for bringing the detail of our website to our attention, we will rectify that as soon as possible.
As previously stated, our website has a full technical section for potential customers or critics to explore, and if there are any remaining questions, we will be more than happy to respond to any phone call or email.
the product has been fully tried, tested and proven in Portugal as well as here in Ireland, but again a reminder that the product comes with a full 30 day money back guarantee.

Also just to mention, I am aware that Boards.ie is not a platform to advertise commercial products but it does allow for companies to respond to criticism from customers who are unfamiliar with a product, but yet decide to put it down anyway.

Ozone are a young and vibrant and never shy from a challenge, therefore we would be very eager for a boards member to trial our product completely free of charge and for them to give THEIR opinion of the product along with proven data.
Please send an email to us directly and we will arrange for this as soon as possible.
The Ultimate Cell Team

A young and vibrant what?

skibum · 26-07-2014 01:31AM

Tail Docker wrote: »

A young and vibrant what?

bunch of chancers eager to separate gullible gobsh1tes from their money

Tail Docker · 26-07-2014 12:14PM

ironclaw wrote: »

@Ultimate Cell, do you have any peer reviews papers? Academically reviewed that is.

Possibly. But that begs the question who their peers are.

If they are the people selling "engine repair oils" or "magnetic fuel enhancers" then possibly a peer review might not be as useful as you'd imagine.

If this is indeed a genuine product breakthrough, then this is fantastic. Great news for all motorists worldwide, ahem.

Zubeneschamali · 26-07-2014 05:38PM

BMJD wrote: »

if you want to give me one for free, I'll give an honest and comprehensive review of it here :P

I'll give you one right now:

This product, as advertised on the website, generates a minute amount of hydrogen gas using power from the battery. It adds the gas to the air intake of the engine.

This has no measurable effect on power, emissions or fuel consumption, fortunately, since if it did, it would make them worse.

Popoutman · 26-07-2014 07:02PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

Possibly. But that begs the question who their peers are.

If they are the people selling "engine repair oils" or "magnetic fuel enhancers" then possibly a peer review might not be as useful as you'd imagine.

Though there is a specific idea of a peer-reviewed journal, and uneducated salescritters can generally never be part of a peer reviewing group, as the science behind the tech here is not a sales topic but a technical topic. This leads into the idea of the "impact value" of the journals, but that's a discussion for another forum

Tail Docker · 26-07-2014 08:18PM

Popoutman wrote: »

Though there is a specific idea of a peer-reviewed journal, and uneducated salescritters can generally never be part of a peer reviewing group, as the science behind the tech here is not a sales topic but a technical topic. This leads into the idea of the "impact value" of the journals, but that's a discussion for another forum

I have read this twice. Neither time worked. I'll try again.

Guy:Incognito · 26-07-2014 09:42PM

Lads, calm down. These lads are top scienticians in their field of scienceology (not to be confused with scientology)

whizbang · 26-07-2014 11:33PM

Is it HO they are producing? That is a catalyst, and may have some merit in a scientific way, but its nasty stuff.

Tail Docker · 26-07-2014 11:43PM

whizbang wrote: »

Is it HO they are producing? That is a catalyst, and may have some merit in a scientific way, but its nasty stuff.

Not nearly as bad as BO, I had that in my car last week and it was awful. Took three magic trees to get rid of it.

Popoutman · 28-07-2014 01:21AM

Tail Docker wrote: »

I have read this twice. Neither time worked. I'll try again.

Sorry - I'll re-phrase.
Journals that publish peer-reviewed articles are "ranked" according to their impact factor which is one way of seeing how useful or important a journal is regarded by the scientific community. As an example, a botanist's paper published in "Nature" would be regarded as being a better academic result than having the exact same paper published in e.g. "The Journal of Irish Bog Beetles" (made up name naturally). Papers published in high-impact journals tend to be better regarded as the process of peer review in the high-impact journals tends to be more rigorous and those high impact journals generally only take the pest of the research papers.

Regarding any papers that may be referenced as "proof" by this particular group of snake-oil salesman - the journals doing the publishing may need to be examined for their validity. It's been done before that pseudoscience bullsh|t "research" was publishable in magazines with sciencey-sounding names and pictures of people in white coats and in labs, to try and fool to average person that there were real academic journals. They don't stand up to scrutiny though.

It's something to be aware of when people want to sell you something that appears borderline on the credibility stakes.

Zubeneschamali · 28-07-2014 08:44AM

Popoutman wrote: »

Regarding any papers that may be referenced as "proof" by this particular group of snake-oil salesman

I'll predict that any support that they reference will turn out to be for fuel cells, ordinary electrolysis or burning hydrogen as fuel - all "Hydrogen technology", none at all relevant.

Getting 30% efficiency using HHO as a catalyst in the combustion chamber will not be supported in any peer-reviewed research because it is nonsense. Ordinary motors do not dump 30% of their fuel unburnt down the the exhaust pipe.

Ardennes1944 · 28-07-2014 09:10AM

The owner was on RedFm this morning, was an interesting listen nonetheless. although he "bigged" it up almost too much

Zubeneschamali · 28-07-2014 09:20AM

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

he "bigged" it up almost too much

I think you have to be able to show loss or damage to complain about false advertising. I'd say that's what the money-back guarantee is for: no-one can complain about false advertising if they can get their money back as they've suffered no loss or damage.

ironclaw · 30-07-2014 09:43AM

I've reached out to Ultimate Cell to do a test as part of a video series we are drafting. Haven't received a reply as of yet but most interested if they are reading here.

CabDriver · 18-10-2014 06:59PM

I got one of those Ultimatecells fitted recently. After putting through a full tank of diesel I found that if anything my fuel consumption was slightly worse. I took it back to them and they tweaked it for me, but after putting through another full tank my fuel consumption was worse still. After this I demanded they take it out and give my money back. They tried to talk me into sticking with it but I was having none of it. Complete waste of time IMO.

weddingcar.ie · 08-12-2014 09:09PM

Hi All
I have been thinking about getting one of these but having second thoughts now after reading all the replies.
I see Cab man had no joy but has anyone else had it fitted. I use €250 per week of diesel in my taxi so a 20% saving would be huge and worthwhile.
All replies will help

Hachiko · 08-12-2014 10:02PM

better off to buy some shares in eircom tbh, (do they still do shares?)

weddingcar.ie · 08-12-2014 10:04PM

Thanks for your reply but have you tried it I'm looking for drivers who have it or have used it

Zubeneschamali · 08-12-2014 10:07PM

weddingcar.ie wrote: »

Thanks for your reply but have you tried it I'm looking for drivers who have it or have used it

You are unlikely to find any who'll admit falling for this one.

ironclaw · 08-12-2014 10:08PM

weddingcar.ie wrote: »

Thanks for your reply but have you tried it I'm looking for drivers who have it or have used it

There are plenty of replies here from educated, well informed people as to why you should not install this. Science isn't sound, nor is the companies ethos. Snake oil, fools and money is the ultimate mix.

porsche boy · 08-12-2014 10:20PM

weddingcar.ie wrote: »

Thanks for your reply but have you tried it I'm looking for drivers who have it or have used it

You would be better off getting a LPG conversion. It has been proven to work well, unlike this ultimate cell and newer kits can fit where the spare wheel goes. Better value for money.

mullingar · 08-12-2014 11:52PM

+1 on the lpg conversion.

For diesels, you can only burn a 50/50 mix as lpg does not self-ignite so needs diesel as the ignition source.

250/week in diesel? A lpg kit *should* bring your diesel cost to €125 + lpg €70 = €200 odd. So €50 saving a week in fuel and a diesel lpg kit costing around €1k, you will start saving in 6 months.

weddingcar.ie · 09-12-2014 12:09AM

Am i not right in thinking LPG is inly available for petrol engines.

mullingar · 09-12-2014 12:14AM

weddingcar.ie wrote: »

Am i not right in thinking LPG is inly available for petrol engines.

No

http://www.lpgain.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=192

finn45 · 09-02-2015 02:56PM

I'm a taxi driver and have one of these units fitted it's a complete waste of money I'm getting less MPG I disconnected it from my car and I'm getting more MPG

Zubeneschamali · 09-02-2015 03:08PM

finn45 wrote: »

I'm a taxi driver and have one of these units fitted it's a complete waste of money I'm getting less MPG I disconnected it from my car and I'm getting more MPG

There's apparently a money-back guarantee.

Ultimate Cell

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