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RTE report: Bill makes purchasing sexual services an offence

  • 27-11-2014 09:10PM
    #1
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,667 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Link: http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1127/663041-sexual-offences/

    Found out about this late yesterday, no thread on it at the moment. Although the bill contains some positive aspects, such as to create/strengthen laws relating to the grooming of children for abuse and child pornography, it also has some serious negatives. Essentially, Ireland is to implement the Swedish model on sex work. I.E. the buyer is always a criminal.

    I'm missing a key point here: how is it that in a supposidly healthy, tolerant, free society, those who wish to criminalise sexual activites between consenting adults, can not only be taken seriously, but have their neo-Victorian, quasi-religious agenda written into a countries law?

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  • #2
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Don't know who he is, but "Bill" is a fcuking spoilsport so. :mad:

    Christmas parties are coming up and that will mean coke only this year, no hookers.


  • #3
    Son0vagun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Son0vagun


    Bill O'Herlihy?


  • #4
    El Guapo!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,447 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Total step in the wrong direction in my opinion.


  • #5
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Son0vagun wrote: »
    Bill O'Herlihy?

    Cullen.


  • #6
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Why would someone want to pay for sexual services anyway? Pure daft thing to be doing now..


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  • #7
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,667 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Why would someone want to pay for sexual services anyway? Pure daft thing to be doing now..
    People who have disabilities for one thing.

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  • #8
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    SeanW wrote: »
    People who have disabilities for one thing.

    We should organise a massive orgy for all the disabled people. Will save them a few bob :)


  • #9
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    Not really a massive shock that it's been made illegal, Ireland has never been at the forefront when it comes to sexual matters..well bar the Catholic Chruch of course.

    Very backwards thing to do.


  • #10
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Because women's rights groups and religious nuts believe it is in everybody's best interests, in the main belief that men are basically animals who shouldn' be allowed visit an women who willingly do what she wants to do

    It would of course be much more practical to regulate and tax the industry but instesd will give in to the likes of ruhama and any other groups who shout loudest

    Its easy to outlaw a voiceless industry because any one voicing support for it will be castigated as being perverted or totally immoral


  • #11
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Mena


    So if I wine and dine the missus I'm screwed (the other one)?

    :-(


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  • #12
    porsche959
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    Really quite depressing example of how a narrow sectional interest group can manipulate lawmakers into making laws which as far as I can gather go against the mass of public opinion.


  • #13
    To Elland Back
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭To Elland Back


    Paying for sexual services is not the problem in my opinion. What needs to be addressed is the pimping, the abuse and the trafficing


  • #14
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    whupdedo wrote: »
    Because women's rights groups and religious nuts believe it is in everybody's best interests, in the main belief that men are basically animals who shouldn' be allowed visit an women who willingly do what she wants to do

    It would of course be much more practical to regulate and tax the industry but instesd will give in to the likes of ruhama and any other groups who shout loudest

    Its easy to outlaw a voiceless industry because any one voicing support for it will be castigated as being perverted or totally immoral

    I think the idea is that by criminalising the women, you are making a criminal out of a victim. This is based on human trafficking.

    There is always going to be issues where statistics ate skewed for these organisations as victims of trafficking will be more likely to avail of their services compared to someone who is independent.


  • #15
    Mech1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Mech1


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    We should organise a massive orgy for all the disabled people. Will save them a few bob :)

    Anyone got the loan of a crutch?


  • #16
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    As if the court system isn't clogged up enough already. I think the guards time would be better spent trying to catch burglars and muggers rather than kerb-crawlers.


  • #17
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    To Elland Back wrote: »
    Paying for sexual services is not the problem in my opinion. What needs to be addressed is the pimping, the abuse and the trafficing

    All of which could be addressed more effectively if we did the mature thing and legalised/regulated prostitution.


  • #18
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Should be legalised, maybe then we ladies could get in on the fun. I am envious of men being able to by the services of a sexual professional.


  • #19
    El Guapo!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,447 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Should be legalised, maybe then we ladies could get in on the fun. I am envious of men being able to by the services of a sexual professional.

    You do realise there's plenty of male prostitutes out there too right?


  • #20
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭hfallada


    The most shocking thing about the whole debate(or lack of it), was the male sex industry workers were not mentioned once. Plenty of men work in the industry in Ireland but were ignored. The debate was entirely one sided and only took advice from an organisation who suggested the only women in the sex industry, were trafficked women. Yet there is plenty of college educated sex workers in Ireland, who do it as a choice.

    It would have been far better for the industry to be regulated like Germany. The working girls( and men) are required to pay tax and be tested regularly for STIs. But instead Ireland choose to force prostitution underground because Prohibition "works"(like in the way we no longer have drugs on our street and America did have alcohol during Prohibition.


  • #21
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    El Guapo! wrote: »
    You do realise there's plenty of male prostitutes out there too right?

    Yes I do but not as easily found as the females


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  • #22
    Kangoo Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Kangoo Man


    While I welcome tougher laws to deal with trafficking and child abuse. Making the act of prostitution an offence between two consenting adults is a mistake in my opinion. It will undoubtedly push prostitution even deeper underground and make it more violent. It's like drugs, there will always be a market for prostitution and there will always be scumbags who will want to profit from it, making it illegal will only increase their profits...


  • #23
    Lord Trollington
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Should be legalised, maybe then we ladies could get in on the fun. I am envious of men being able to by the services of a sexual professional.

    Why.?


  • #24
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,379 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    What about bartering?


  • #25
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Yes I do but not as easily found as the females

    PM sent.


  • #26
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,156 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Why would someone want to pay for sexual services anyway? Pure daft thing to be doing now..

    Because not everyone wants to wine and dine a woman to get sex. Some people just want the physical act of sex and no strings attached. It's not rocket science


  • #27
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    I'm confused....


    Many of the pro choice people (Ivana Bacik) are backing legistation for this????


    What happened to woman's body, woman's choice?

    The other stuff for protecting kids is spot on.


  • #28
    KungPao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭KungPao


    So I can't say "**** Jesus!", or buy a few cans after ****ing 10PM, smoke a bit of hash, visit Pirate Bay (without a tinkering), and now, I can't pay some lady for some lovin'...a business transaction between two consenting adults, let's not forget.

    Ya gotta love Ireland.


  • #29
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    A guy brought this news item up in random talk at lunch in work. We all now reckon he's a punter.


  • #30
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    KungPao wrote: »
    So I can't say "**** Jesus!", or buy a few cans after ****ing 10PM, smoke a bit of hash, visit Pirate Bay (without a tinkering), and now, I can't pay some lady for some lovin'...a business transaction between two consenting adults, let's not forget.

    Ya gotta love Ireland.

    It actually frightens me a little the way Ireland has gone in recent years, we seem to be heading in a direction that is only backwards, banning prostitution is wrong much the same as hash, we should move forward and tax and regulate harmless industries such as these

    Men who are caught will be placed on the sex offenders list ( wtf ) for engaging in a consensual act, this is absolutely moronic, we seem to be appeasing those who shout loudest in society, the silent majority are once again speechless and without a voice


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  • #31
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    They're going after your online comments next. More and more things will be banned under the guise of "protection"... but really its control.


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