RTE report: Bill makes purchasing sexual services an offence

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DeadHand wrote: »

All of which could be addressed more effectively if we did the mature thing and legalised/regulated prostitution.

I agree. If both parties are happy with the arrangement, they should be entitled to a safe system to engage in the trade without impacting on those who prefer not to be confronted by it.

enfant terrible

Sex is dirty and need to be banned

KungPao

whupdedo wrote: »

It actually frightens me a little the way Ireland has gone in recent years, we seem to be heading in a direction that is only backwards, banning prostitution is wrong much the same as hash, we should move forward and tax and regulate harmless industries such as these

Men who are caught will be placed on the sex offenders list ( wtf ) for engaging in a consensual act, this is absolutely moronic, we seem to be appeasing those who shout loudest in society, the silent majority are once again speechless and without a voice

Agreed.
In the 90s, we made some progress from the absolute madness of before (selling condoms, divorce, homosexuality etc), but in recent years we have gone backwards.

It's actually scary.

I want an Ireland where we can buy alcohol anywhere, wherever we want (e.g. Brazil), purchase marijuana (e.g. some (and soon more) states in the US), be grown ups and have a legal and regulated sex industry, abortion etc. And things like banning ecigs in publics buildings and public transport piss me off, but that's for another thread.

KungPao

enfant terrible wrote: »

Sex is dirty and need to be banned

Not getting any? :P

enfant terrible

KungPao wrote: »

Not getting any? :P

Not now anyway

Molester Stallone II

Mech1 wrote: »

Anyone got the loan of a crotch?

Fixed that for ya

The Th!ng

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I'm confused....


Many of the pro choice people (Ivana Bacik) are backing legistation for this????


What happened to woman's body, woman's choice?

The other stuff for protecting kids is spot on.

Michael Moran is an Irish man and Interpol's head of human trafficking and child exploitation division. Recently he felt the need to remind Bacik and Denise Charlton that consensual adult prostitution does not equate to human trafficking and sexual slavery.

Meanwhile in Sweden Police turn blind eye to Swedish 'slave trade', Top prosecutor nabbed in prostitution sting

The Swedes are heavily invested in promoting the idea internationally that their laws are a success, but the reality is a lot different.

eviltwin

Is it just kerb crawling that is illegal now? What is the law in relation to hiring an escort online?

hfallada

KungPao wrote: »

Agreed.
In the 90s, we made some progress from the absolute madness of before (selling condoms, divorce, homosexuality etc), but in recent years we have gone backwards.

It's actually scary.

I want an Ireland where we can buy alcohol anywhere, wherever we want (e.g. Brazil), purchase marijuana (e.g. some (and soon more) states in the US), be grown ups and have a legal and regulated sex industry, abortion etc. And things like banning ecigs in publics buildings and public transport piss me off, but that's for another thread.

It doesnt help that our most liberal and educated are moving abroad. Plus some of our immigrants dont come from the most liberal places. I think Ireland is becoming overly PC and its mainly due the belief that broadcasters cant be biased. Its good in the sense they cant be bible mad like in the Southern States of the US. But every prime time debate generally has highly educated experts for something eg Same Sex Marriage and then some whack jobs against it, which make for good TV. A lot of former RTE employees will tell you RTE is allegedly very exploitive about certain topics for a few cheap views.

Una Mullally is about the only young journalist in Ireland. Everyone in Media in Ireland is quite old and tend to have the values of old Ireland. Irish media needs a serious shake up, which wont happen in the traditional media forms of print, tv and radio

Standman

KungPao wrote: »

So I can't say "**** Jesus!", or buy a few cans after ****ing 10PM, smoke a bit of hash, visit Pirate Bay (without a tinkering), and now, I can't pay some lady for some lovin'...a business transaction between two consenting adults, let's not forget.

Ya gotta love Ireland.

You poor thing!

KungPao

Standman wrote: »

You poor thing!

It's tragic!

Berserker

eviltwin wrote: »

Is it just kerb crawling that is illegal now? What is the law in relation to hiring an escort online?

The law relates to the purchasing of sex, so online escorting would be included in that. In reality, this will make little difference. The guards will have to prove that money has changed hands between the two parties, for the purpose of sex, to successfully prosecute the purchaser. That is going to be extremely difficult to do.

KungPao

hfallada wrote: »

It doesnt help that our most liberal and educated are moving abroad. Plus some of our immigrants dont come from the most liberal places. I think Ireland is becoming overly PC and its mainly due the belief that broadcasters cant be biased. Its good in the sense they cant be bible mad like in the Southern States of the US. But every prime time debate generally has highly educated experts for something eg Same Sex Marriage and then some whack jobs against it, which make for good TV. A lot of former RTE employees will tell you RTE is allegedly very exploitive about certain topics for a few cheap views.

Una Mullally is about the only young journalist in Ireland. Everyone in Media in Ireland is quite old and tend to have the values of old Ireland. Irish media needs a serious shake up, which wont happen in the traditional media forms of print, tv and radio

That's something that makes me bang my head of a wall. Who the hell cares? legalise it. Like it'll make a difference to anything in a negative way. Two lads/girls want to be married? Good luck and have a happy marriage. Big deal.

I hope that in the future we look back laugh at these things, but the way things are going, I'm not so sure.

Popoutman

So take your hooker for a 5 minute kebab or burger or drink, then back to wherever. You pay (lots) for her food/drink, and the sex is free..

The Th!ng

Does anyone remember the story a few years back of the Canadian paedo who had used software to swirl his face beyond recognition in photos of him abusing children? Michael Moran was the head of the Interpol operation that finally nabbed him in Thailand.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-interpol-officer-honoured-405768.html

Cienciano

Popoutman wrote: »

So take your hooker for a 5 minute kebab or burger or drink, then back to wherever. You pay (lots) for her food/drink, and the sex is free..

Jesus, join date in 2000!

Donkey Oaty

The full act is available here.

It's surprisingly detailed in what is and isn't allowed.

For example, there's one section devoted to "Removal of wigs and gowns".

RDM_83 again

Berserker wrote: »

The law relates to the purchasing of sex, so online escorting would be included in that. In reality, this will make little difference. The guards will have to prove that money has changed hands between the two parties, for the purpose of sex, to successfully prosecute the purchaser. That is going to be extremely difficult to do.

Its just going to be a waste of resources if applied, I used to live up in Stoneybatter and for a period of a month every few days I'd see the same girl that was clearly on the game, never thought much of it until I looked at her properly one day and it was clear she was probably 15 or less.
I'm ambivalent/conflicted on if prostitution should be legalised but what I am certain about is that the resources available should be used to tackle the most negative aspects and most vulnerable people before we go about criminalising its less harmful aspects.

castletownman

I sat idly by as people were out protesting about hospital closures, medical card cutbacks, classroom sizes, nurses hours and water meter charges.

But this is the final straw. How dare they take away my fundamental right of a ride. Pitchfork is at the ready

Berserker

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Its just going to be a waste of resources if applied, I used to live up in Stoneybatter and for a period of a month every few days I'd see the same girl that was clearly on the game, never thought much of it until I looked at her properly one day and it was clear she was probably 15 or less.
I'm ambivalent/conflicted on if prostitution should be legalised but what I am certain about is that the resources available should be used to tackle the most negative aspects and most vulnerable people before we go about criminalising its less harmful aspects.

I was listening to an ex-policeman from NI talking about this and he said that it will be very difficult for the police to implement these laws up there. The same will be the case for our police.

I do not want to see prostitution legalised in this country. Dublin, as a city, is pretty unpleasant as is, without adding the extra eye sore of a RLD to it. I am happy to maintain the status quo on it, to be honest. I have serious concerns about the parties who are pushing this new bill also.

Sierra 117

I think regulating it would be a far better idea. This bill just drives it even further underground.

hfallada

KungPao wrote: »

That's something that makes me bang my head of a wall. Who the hell cares? legalise it. Like it'll make a difference to anything in a negative way. Two lads/girls want to be married? Good luck and have a happy marriage. Big deal.

I hope that in the future we look back laugh at these things, but the way things are going, I'm not so sure.

I know but you must give both sides equal air time coming up to a referendum. There is tons of radio station program's reported, as the presenters have talked about marriage equality without giving the anti-marriage equality side air time. Its extremely ****ed up, that there has to be an opposing side to a human rights issue.

YFlyer

SeanW wrote: »

People who have disabilities for one thing.

Is if true that a person with a mental disability is not allowed to have sex if not married?

jank

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I'm confused....


Many of the pro choice people (Ivana Bacik) are backing legistation for this????


What happened to woman's body, woman's choice?

The other stuff for protecting kids is spot on.

That is the thing with people like Ivana Bacik. Its her views alone that should be tolerated and written into law. Everyone else (mostly men) is just an bigoted sexist ape.

She should get onto the phone with the Australian Labour Party and talk to them about the legal sex industry in Australia. She might learn something in that ivory tower of hers.

SeanW

KungPao wrote: »

That's something that makes me bang my head of a wall. Who the hell cares? legalise it. Like it'll make a difference to anything in a negative way. Two lads/girls want to be married? Good luck and have a happy marriage. Big deal.

I hope that in the future we look back laugh at these things, but the way things are going, I'm not so sure.

+100

Strazdas

Sierra 117 wrote: »

I think regulating it would be a far better idea. This bill just drives it even further underground.

The criminalisation of prostitution is actually very controversial. I believe Sweden and Iceland are the only two other countries in Europe to have similar legislation to what is proposed, and the question should be asked why Ireland is going down this route.

gozunda

castletownman wrote: »

I sat idly by as people were out protesting about hospital closures, medical card cutbacks, classroom sizes, nurses hours and water meter charges.

But this is the final straw. How dare they take away my fundamental right of a ride. Pitchfork is at the ready

Yer skitting - but for certain there is no 'fundamental right of a ride'. :rolleyes: one of the the principal problem with prostitution both male and female is that it is frequently part of deeply unpleasant criminal activity which may include child exploitation and at times involving other practitioners (for a better word) who may be coerced into prostitution / controlled by a John or trafficked. Drug dealing and other criminal activity frequently goes with the territory. Personally I find destinations with overt sex industry type areas deeply unpleasant and creepy. Thailand comes to mind and the number of sad westerners that end up there deluded in some prepubescent fantasy land never fails to amaze ...

nokia69

hfallada wrote: »

Una Mullally is about the only young journalist in Ireland. Everyone in Media in Ireland is quite old and tend to have the values of old Ireland. Irish media needs a serious shake up, which wont happen in the traditional media forms of print, tv and radio

who cares what age Una Mullally is, she must be one of the dumbest people on the planet

nokia69

jank wrote: »

That is the thing with people like Ivana Bacik. Its her views alone that should be tolerated and written into law. Everyone else (mostly men) is just an bigoted sexist ape.

She should get onto the phone with the Australian Labour Party and talk to them about the legal sex industry in Australia. She might learn something in that ivory tower of hers.

is crazy the amount of power a man hater like Bacik can get without ever getting elected

so much for feminists and their claim of wanting equality

gozunda

nokia69 wrote: »

is crazy the amount of power a man hater like Bacik can get without ever getting elected

so much for feminists and their claim of wanting equality

Ah crap - not another the feminists are attacking the gates type diversion. :rolleyes: Every frackin issue in AH got to do with just about anything is being tagged as being caused by feminazis this weather.... It's getting very very repetitive at this stage tbh.