Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

JuliusCaesar · 25-11-2014 07:22AM

jank wrote: »

The states has an issue with gun crime because of socio economic and cultural factors.

And because guns are so freely and legally available. There are so many guns floating around that they easily come into the wrong hands. The demand for guns in the US is such that it fuels the gun trade internationally. If guns were illegal (except for armies) in the same way as in Ireland across the world, there wouldn't be half so many guns manufactured. And that would majorly reduce access to weaponry.

jank wrote: »

Legalising drugs imo would reduce this. There is a strong cultural aspect at play as well in some black communities that some people don't want to talk about. Broken homes, absent fathers, culture of playing the victim and a 'respect' for gangs all plays their part into the current issue.

Same issues in certain areas here.

crybaby · 25-11-2014 07:41AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

What does any of that have to do with the topic we've been discussing here ...'baby'?

It relates directly to your quote, what are you talking about?

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 07:45AM

crybaby wrote: »

Does being punched in the face justify you killing the other person?

I'm not so sure it does

Here is what you wrote. And again I ask you what the hell this question has to do with the case we are discussing on this thread?

crybaby · 25-11-2014 07:58AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Here is what you wrote. And again I ask you what the hell this question has to do with the case we are discussing on this thread?

I honestly have no idea what you are on about, have you been up all night or something? It is quite clear how my comment relates to your quote which was made on this thread.

I was under the assumption you were discussing the case involving the death of Michael Brown, please get yourself to bed and please do not respond to this message as you seem in a fragile state.

Go.To.Bed.

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 08:01AM

crybaby wrote: »

I honestly have no idea what you are on about, have you been up all night or something? It is quite clear how my comment relates to your quote which was made on this thread.

I was under the assumption you were discussing the case involving the death of Michael Brown, please get yourself to bed and please do not respond to this message as you seem in a fragile state.

Go.To.Bed.

One more time:

Please explain how your quote in any way relates to the events pertaining to the Michael Brown attack on Officer Darren Wilson?

I'll have a coffee and give you time to think

crybaby · 25-11-2014 08:09AM

Stop acting stupid. Stop playing dumb. You know the details of the cases so if you don't have a constructive comment to make then kindly don't respond again.

My original question still stands however you seem very emotionally invested in the case and not interested in any discussion.

Enjoy yourself.

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 08:16AM

crybaby wrote: »

Stop acting stupid. Stop playing dumb. You know the details of the cases so if you don't have a constructive comment to make then kindly don't respond again.

My original question still stands however you seem very emotionally invested in the case and not interested in any discussion.

Enjoy yourself.

Right. So you cannot explain the relevance of your question to me in relation to this case.

Not surprising since it has no relevance at all. In case you don't know Darren Wilson was not just "punched in the face" by 300 pound Brown. There are numerous posts on this thread detailing the attack on Wilson. Brown's DNA was found on Wilson's inner thigh as well as on his gun. There's more too should you care to seek out the rest.

crybaby · 25-11-2014 09:31AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Right. So you cannot explain the relevance of your question to me in relation to this case.

Not surprising since it has no relevance at all. In case you don't know Darren Wilson was not just "punched in the face" by 300 pound Brown. There are numerous posts on this thread detailing the attack on Wilson. Brown's DNA was found on Wilson's inner thigh as well as on his gun. There's more too should you care to seek out the rest.

Thank you for the reply why not just do it the first time instead of acting the arse? All your points are correct and upon looking at the facts as presented it is hard to argue with the shooting as it appears to follow the law. However a few questions for you

How do you think Wilson who was so scared of Brown managed to get the gun back off him so easily?

Why did he go off in pursuit of Brown when he had just been assaulted, nearly had his gun taken from him and was scared ****less?

Do you think it is proper for a police officer to kill someone unarmed running at him?

How much do you think Wilson has lied in his testimony? I would imagine he has twisted a fact or two under advice from others.

Tipsy McSwagger · 25-11-2014 09:58AM

Justifiable homicide for me

R P McMurphy · 25-11-2014 10:06AM

Racist undertones in this thread makes for uncomfortable reading

SeanW · 25-11-2014 10:57AM

crybaby wrote: »

Why did he go off in pursuit of Brown when he had just been assaulted, nearly had his gun taken from him and was scared ****less?

Do you think it is proper for a police officer to kill someone unarmed running at him?

It depends on the threat level. If someone is twice your weight in muscle, and physically threatening you with extreme violence, that rises to the level of existential threat. If that person subsequently reaches for your gun, the threat is magnified further still.

How much do you think Wilson has lied in his testimony? I would imagine he has twisted a fact or two under advice from others.

Hmm ... a baseless accusation of lying? Fortunately our system of jurisprudence does not (usually) convict people based on baseless allegations ... unless you are proposing changes.

SeanW · 25-11-2014 10:57AM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Racist undertones in this thread makes for uncomfortable reading

Huh?

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 11:17AM

Is this a case of the straw that broke the camel's back or is there a real reason why these people are so incensed? I.e. - is there complete injustice here?

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 11:32AM

Another thing that has been bothering me is the breakdown of black vs white jurors. I assumed St. Louis was predominantly black? Yet, 9 white and 3 black on jury. Is this representative of the ethnicity there?

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 11:36AM

Sclosages wrote: »

Is this a case of the straw that broke the camel's back or is there a real reason why these people are so incensed? I.e. - is there complete injustice here?

No.

BoJack Horseman · 25-11-2014 11:41AM

Sclosages wrote: »

Another thing that has been bothering me is the breakdown of black vs white jurors. I assumed St. Louis was predominantly black? Yet, 9 white and 3 black on jury. Is this representative of the ethnicity there?

The state is 12% black.
St Louis itself is 49% black.

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 11:44AM

I don't know really. Do you agree they have a right to protest? I don't know enough to make a call on it, but I get the sense that they genuinely feel aggrieved. It's very much a 'them' (the police) vs 'us' mentality there.

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 11:52AM

Sclosages wrote: »

I don't know really. Do you agree they have a right to protest? I don't know enough to make a call on it, but I get the sense that they genuinely feel aggrieved. It's very much a 'them' (the police) vs 'us' mentality there.

Well it's just an idea but you in fact could find out enough to make a call on it.

Bit of time is the price but since you appear genuinely interested in what happened it will be worth it.

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 11:57AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Well it's just an idea but you in fact could find out enough to make a call on it.

Bit of time is the price but since you appear genuinely interested in what happened it will be worth it.

Oh so you've lived there have you? You witnessed what happened to Mr. Brown? You know what it's like to live there? You have first hand experience of the interaction between the police and citizens there?

No - you don't. So you don't know sh*t.

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 12:00PM

Sclosages wrote: »

Oh so you've lived there have you? You witnessed what happened to Mr. Brown? You know what it's like to live there? You have first hand experience of the interaction between the police and citizens there?

No - you don't. So you don't know sh*t.

:pac: and to think I tried being nice here.

Enjoy the 'not knowing enough to make a call' despite there being ample evidence to deal with all over the place now via the Grand jury transcript.

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 12:04PM

Put it this way - a resident of St. Louis probably can not understand our mass protests about water charges! There's context outside of all events. Perhaps YOU don't understand that?

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 12:09PM

Sclosages wrote: »

Put it this way - a resident of St. Louis probably can not understand our mass protests about water charges! There's context outside of all events. Perhaps YOU don't understand that?

do you have something against learning about the facts and evidence of this case? It's not that difficult you know. This very thread is filled with links to assist you-you need not even tire yourself searching google lol.

You are the one who proclaimed above "you don't know enough to make a call". So-either fix that or jog on!

Putinovsky · 25-11-2014 12:10PM

Darren Wilson shouldn't have been a police officer if he is that scared. Police get in confrontations all over the world with absolute pyschos and people off their head on drugs and they don't shoot the person dead.

And does anyone really believe that Brown was actually trying to take a gun from a police officer? Really fanciful stuff.

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 12:13PM

Putinovsky wrote: »

Darren Wilson shouldn't have been a police officer if he is that scared. Police get in confrontations all over the world with absolute pyschos and people off their head on drugs and they don't shoot the person dead.

And does anyone really believe that Brown was actually trying to take a gun from a police officer? Really fanciful stuff.

Yes as the physical evidence showed it to be the case. You appear to be another one who simply won't deal in facts regarding Brown's attack on Wilson.

Thankfully it was enough for the 12 Grand jury members to arrive at the conclusion they did.

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 12:21PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

do you have something against learning about the facts and evidence of this case? It's not that difficult you know. This very thread is filled with links to assist you-you need not even tire yourself searching google lol.

You are the one who proclaimed above "you don't know enough to make a call". So-either fix that or jog on!

The evidence of the case is one thing. What is another thing is 'why' people are so incensed? Since you understand so much, perhaps you could explain the outrage?

AndonHandon · 25-11-2014 12:22PM

Whatever about being incensed about an alleged injustice, the rioting and shooting is not on. Based on the scale of it it is safe to say that those against the decision of the grand jury are only using the decision to further their own selfish goals. Therefore, there was no injustice done by the grand jury's decision.

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 12:22PM

Sclosages wrote: »

The evidence of the case is one thing. What is another thing is 'why' people are so incensed? Since you understand so much, perhaps you could explain the outrage?

Nah. If and when you decide to get up to speed on some of this we can compare notes perhaps....;)

Sclosages · 25-11-2014 12:24PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Nah. If and when you decide to get up to speed on some of this we can compare notes perhaps....;)

Oh you've read through the entire transcript already? What's on page 119? Go on - let me know. Top of the page.

Putinovsky · 25-11-2014 12:29PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Yes as the physical evidence showed it to be the case. You appear to be another one who simply won't deal in facts regarding Brown's attack on Wilson.

Thankfully it was enough for the 12 Grand jury members to arrive at the conclusion they did.

Why would Brown go for Wilson's gun? He just graduates from high school and then decides that he will go out and kill a police officer by disarming him and then shooting him?

I think its far more likely that Brown ignored Wilson, punched him, threw him off him and small man Wilson upset and feeling humiliated took out his gun and shot him.

I mean the fact that he shot 12 TIMES would suggest Wilson was angry.

Wilson is a coward, he got a punch to the face and took out a gun and shot a man dead. He should have been a gardener not a police officer. He's a pathetic small man who wanted to feel big by being a police officer.

h2005 · 25-11-2014 12:36PM

creolebelle wrote: »

For every person who thinks he's guilty there is one person who thinks he's innocent. You can see this on twitter. Most importantly he has the support of the "system" which is far more powerful than social media.
By next month his life will be back to normal and people will be salivating over some other "tragedy"

You can't really believe that his life will ever go back to normal?

Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

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