Sinead O' Connor's words on the Late Late

anncoates wrote: »

Seen it at the time and thought she handled it badly.

You reckon she sat in the room beforehand with her people and planned to launch into a gauche, overly combative but well meaning tirade to raise her marketing profile in specific target markets?

I don't think she thought Kenny would react the way he did. I've just always seen her as the eternally downtrodden playing the victim of someone or something oppressing her. When it wasn't the Church, it was the media, and when she told the media she wanted to be left alone and they obliged, she disappeared off the radar for a while, then came back again last year some time 'looking for a man' on the Late Late (give me strength!), and now she's back and this time she's nailed herself to the water charges crucifix.

This time it's personal Government oppressing her.

I might download her greatest hits after that....maybe.

anncoates wrote: »

I don't think she premeditates to that extent. The claims that she's somehow contrived seem somewhat mean-spirited to me. I think she just feels strongly about something and blurts it out.

The Kenny Everett thing for example, it was a bit gauche to attack the guy but probably a lot of people, including me, were thinking how the fcuk can you reconcile Clause 28 with being a gay man who supports the Tories?

Like I say, nobody would say she's not mad on occasion or that you sometimes think WTF when she goes on one but to say there's some kind of calculating promotion thing going on there is quite a particularly Irish strain of mean-spiritedness.

Slightly OT but Kenny did explain his position - everyone is having their freedoms curtailed (just as relevant 20 years later), and if the other guys had asked him, he would have turned up at their party!

Back to Sinead though - genuinely I don't mean it to sound mean-spirited, I just think every time she surfaces, she's on some sort of self-promotional trip. I get that she's always been a social activist and all, but she just seems like person who was never well, and I mean this in the kindest possible terms but the woman should really concentrate more on her mental well being and less on courting publicity.

She was an incredible singer 20 years ago, and she should have stuck to what she was good at rather than forever trying to play the 'poor little me' effort every time a publicity stunt inevitably went tits up. I can just see it happening again this time now she's decided to weigh in on the water charges protests, and all I can think is I feel like someone needs to take her aside and tell her that her mental health is more important than her social activism.

Barely There wrote: »

Gay's hair looked amazing.

What a pro

stretchdoe wrote: »

Very obvious attempt by RTE/establishment to link the 'anti 'irish water'/austerity' people to someone they know represents 'off the wall/crazy', whether right or wrong, for many people in this country.

'Oh you're one of those with something against 'irish water'? Are you crazy? Crazy like crazy Sinead? I suppose you want crazy Sinead to be Taoiseach and run the country. Where will be then?...', cue hysterical irish/sunday independent headlines etc, etc...

More of the same propaganda bull**** that more and more people are seeing through and is losing its effectiveness at a rapid rate, if it isn't completely ineffective already.

And I thought Sinead was bonkers....

Phoebas wrote: »

And I thought Sinead was bonkers....

She isn't, in my opinion.

Hyper intelligent and troubled, i'd say.

As for my point, i think it's entirely lucid and sane; that's why i made it.

But you're entitled to disagree and/or hurl brickbats if you wish, of course.

I was impressed too.
And really, all of the above. I just agree with all the comments on this thread, except the self promotion thing, and the hypocrisy thing.
She's a bit bonkers, unstable, troubled, attention seeking, talented, and more.
But she spoke well, she did admonish all sides to act peacefully, and had a point with the new Republic.

o1s1n wrote: »

I think you just inadvertently proved his point.

Let me try to follow the logic of the point:
Sinead is a bit bonkers, so it automatically follows that not only does anything that Sinead say is bonkers, but RTE, in giving her a platform, must only be doing so in order to discredit anyone who agrees with her.

Its an interesting theory; a bit bonkers. Perhaps even more bonkers than Sinead.

stretchdoe wrote: »

She isn't, in my opinion.

Hyper intelligent and troubled, i'd say.

As for my point, i think it's entirely lucid and sane; that's why i made it.

But you're entitled to disagree and/or hurl brickbats if you wish, of course.

I mean it in the best possible way.
People said she was mad when she was tearing up pictures of the Pope. But she was right on the money.

But here is no RTE/establishment plan to get her on as part of some plan to discredit the anti-water people. That idea is a bit mad.

Phoebas wrote: »

I mean it in the best possible way.
People said she was mad when she was tearing up pictures of the Pope. But she was right on the money.

But here is no RTE/establishment plan to get her on as part of some plan to discredit the anti-water people. That idea is a bit mad.

That would presuppose a level of intelligence in RTE that just isn't there.

Phoebas wrote: »

Let me try to follow the logic of the point:
Sinead is a bit bonkers, so it automatically follows that not only does anything that Sinead say is bonkers, but RTE, in giving her a platform, must only be doing so in order to discredit anyone who agrees with her.

Its an interesting theory; a bit bonkers. Perhaps even more bonkers than Sinead.

Have you ever seen the host of the 'late late show' literally hand over the reigns/put someone else in 'charge'. Ever? Why would it occur to them or him/Tubridy to do that? It has literally never happened and had no explicable point to it.

Now take into account that this is someone who is considered 'crazy' in this country; you've called her bonkers etc a few times in this thread yourself.

When she was put in 'charge' and started along the lines of what anyone would know sinead o'connor would deviate towards, disgruntlement with the 'system' etc, didn't Tubridy actually pre-empt her possible interest in/guide the discussion towards 'irish water?; if you think he didn't watch it again.

I agree the premise is crazy but it happened.

Desperation/pressure causes crazy things to happen.

Sidetracking here, but what the fcuk is it with our obsession with chat shows in this country? Late Late, that clown from Cork on a Saturday night, all them afternoon shows that are discussing nothing but morbid topics . Each one of these shows having the same guests or similar, no wonder half the Grannies in Ireland are depressed.

She's right, and her ancestry and lineage has a lot to do with how she perceives and sees the current situation. As an O'Connor, she is part one of the oldest family lines and lineage on this Island, and that lineage surpasses 1916, 1921, all of that mess which has led to the dysfunctional nation we have to endure today. Her family, ancestry and lineage have been on this island for more than 3000 years. She obviously knows this and obviously feels involved with the current clusterf**k situation where our island's people are being frog-marched into signing up to pay for their own resources to be gifted, grabbed, and ultimately abused by corporations and the international money markets, who do not give a damn about our country, people, history, lineage, culture and island.