Sinead O' Connor's words on the Late Late

Littlekittylou · 21-11-2014 11:53PM #1

Did people see?

She challenged the channel RTE on it's objectivity as a state broadcaster and interviewed Ryan as she turned the tables.

She said that she thought that politicians were distancing themselves from the 1916 rising because they were afraid of a peaceful political movement that seems to be stemming from the water charges protest.

She said that the republic failed largely because it came from a violent rising and that which stems from violence will ultimately become corrupt as the organic political bodies and ideals necessary for a great country don't evolve. I would say there is something in that. Look at Norway ..and then us. Look at the Baltic states that which comes form violent revolution does not evolve into a fair humanistic country.

She urged the need for peaceful protest and chastised the violence against the woman been thrown about that was caught on camera.

Did people see what she said. I thought she was amazing.

I am not usually a fan of hers but she said some very insightful things and kept it very sane and VERY moderate.

porsche959 · 21-11-2014 11:56PM

Somewhat ironically, I did not see this criticism of RTE due to my self-imposed boycott of RTE.

Sinead O'Connor I generally have time for, she was miles ahead of the game on the Roman Catholic Church's protection of paedophiles at a time when most did not want to listen (including myself, at that time, I must admit).

Her point about 1916 strikes me as illogical, however. Are France and the United States failed countries?

People on the left in Ireland and the UK tend to venerate the Scandinavian countries, but the reality is many would find the political correctness in Sweden, for example, stifling, and also (if Stieg Larsson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stieg_Larsson is to be believed) hypocritical.

Son0vagun · 21-11-2014 11:57PM

She spoke a lot of sense! A New dawn needed for a new Republic!

anncoates · 21-11-2014 11:58PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Did people see?

She challenged the channel RTE on it's objectivity as a state broadcaster

..on a platform provided by said RTE.

I respect Sinead by the way. Not knocking her.

Sobko · 21-11-2014 11:59PM

anncoates wrote: »

..on a platform provided by said RTE.

I respect Sinead by the way. Not knocking her.

They probably were not expecting it LOL.

Iwasfrozen · 22-11-2014 12:00AM

She's a crank, there won't be a revolution, there won't be a Second Republic (well, never say never) there will be reform as necessary of course but that's normal.

Duck's hoop · 22-11-2014 12:00AM

She's full of shìt. Seriously. Clambering on the nearest bandwagon.

Sully · 22-11-2014 12:02AM

Lambasts violent protest by highlighting one incident and completely ignores the violent protests towards Gardai, politicians and water meter installers which was far far greater? Hypocrisy at its finest and she's showing her own bias there tbh.

Karl Stein · 22-11-2014 12:03AM

Thank goodness for the 1916 rising. Home Rule, a lack of economic development in Ireland, and the rise of the British welfare state would probably have mainlined Ireland into a position of dependency on transfers from the British economy.

It wouldn't have expunged the Irish psyche of its desire for independence though. In 'Ireland the Dependency' there would still have been a continuous rebellion/insurgency and perhaps a civil war between those served by the status quo and those seeking independence.

We'd likely have become a right ****-hole, like the north in the 70's/80's, an island of Republican strongholds in a mollified dependency; Bogsides, Ardoynes and Divis Flats in all the major populations centres with bandit country in the rural hinterlands.

RayM · 22-11-2014 12:04AM

Sully wrote: »

Lambasts violent protest by highlighting one incident and completely ignores the violent protests towards Gardai, politicians and water meter installers which was far far greater? Hypocrisy at its finest and she's showing her own bias there tbh.

Violent protests towards politicians? When did that happen?

anncoates · 22-11-2014 12:06AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

She's full of shìt. Seriously. Clambering on the newest bandwagon.

She's always ploughed her own furrow, all the way back to her first album.

She's a bit mad but a good artist. I often don't agree with her but she has convictions and has always stood by them. The last thing you could accuse her of is adopting a stance for promotional reasons.

Don Kedick · 22-11-2014 12:09AM

She's a major pothead but she makes some sense.

hatrickpatrick · 22-11-2014 12:10AM

As an aspiring musician, I found her remarks re not being allowed to take a sh!te on a tour bus more than a little alarming :pac:

Littlekittylou · 22-11-2014 12:12AM

I really just wanted to get the debate going about what she said.

I know there is no revolution going to happen. But there are movements about smaller things. Like for example what is happening with the carers allowance right now.

But THERE is a movement connected together over the water charges and I worry about how things are progressing. The govt has not handled this well. People's frustration is being exasperated by the PR disaster that is this Govt.

Duck's hoop · 22-11-2014 12:13AM

anncoates wrote: »

She's always ploughed her own furrow, all the way back to her first album.

Played the spindles off lion and cobra. But I think she's full of ****. And I'm sure she knows how to play an angle. Loves to be loved.

Littlekittylou · 22-11-2014 12:16AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Played the spindles off lion and cobra. But I think she's full of ****. And I'm sure she knows how to play an angle. Loves to be loved.

But what about WHAT she said. Forget about her for a moment.

The water protesters..I mean the woman who held a peaceful silent protest totally owned it by keeping it dignified.

We need more peaceful dignified action.

TheBeardedLady · 22-11-2014 12:16AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Played the spindles off lion and cobra. But I think she's full of ****. And I'm sure she knows how to play an angle. Loves to be loved.

Don't we all?

She's procured a lot of haters on the way though. Like anncoates said, I don't agree with an awful lot she says but I think she's brave as hell.

One eyed Jack · 22-11-2014 12:18AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

I am not usually a fan of hers but she said some very insightful things and kept it very sane and VERY moderate.

Sane and moderate are not usually never words I'd associate with Sinead O' Connor tbh.

anncoates wrote: »

The last thing you could accuse her of is adopting a stance for promotional reasons.

Oh? This is exactly all she ever does, and this is just one example from just one of her appearances on the Late Late Show where not only did she adopt a stance for promotional reasons, but she tried to berate Kenny Everett for not doing so. Kenny handled it brilliantly -

RayM · 22-11-2014 12:20AM

When she's being interviewed, I sometimes have to watch from behind the sofa, but she's still a brilliant singer. She seems very well at the moment, which is good.

jimgoose · 22-11-2014 12:22AM

Fair moxy to her.

HamsterFace · 22-11-2014 12:22AM

They're nice words but a new republic? All she means is she doesn't like the parties in power right now.

A peaceful revolution would amount to putting new parties in power which you can do at election time anyway. But that's not as much fun as sticking it to the man.

Littlekittylou · 22-11-2014 12:24AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Sane and moderate are not usually never words I'd associate with Sinead O' Connor tbh.

Oh? This is exactly all she ever does, and this is just one example from just one of her appearances on the Late Late Show where not only did she adopt a stance for promotional reasons, but she tried to berate Kenny Everett for not doing so. Kenny handled it brilliantly -

He sank ..she swam. She wasn't at all kind about it and it would never be my approach but her and I have different personality types completely. I think you can have these talks with a sweeter approach with people.

It was a little awkward though.

Littlekittylou · 22-11-2014 12:25AM

HamsterFace wrote: »

They're nice words but a new republic? All she means is she doesn't like the parties in power right now.

A peaceful revolution would amount to putting new parties in power which you can do at election time anyway. But that's not as much fun as sticking it to the man.

Fair point.

anncoates · 22-11-2014 12:25AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Oh? This is exactly all she ever does, and this is just one example from just one of her appearances on the Late Late Show where not only did she adopt a stance for promotional reasons, but she tried to berate Kenny Everett for not doing so. Kenny handled it brilliantly -

Saw it at the time and thought she handled it badly.

You reckon she sat in the room beforehand with her people and planned to launch into a gauche, overly combative but well meaning tirade to raise her marketing profile in specific target markets?

Duck's hoop · 22-11-2014 12:26AM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Don't we all?

She's procured a lot of haters on the way though. Like anncoates said, I don't agree with an awful lot she says but I think she's brave as hell.

No denying her fortitude. I get that. But she's full of it. But some of my best friends are full of it.

I don't hate her. But don't tell me she's not an attention seeking nut job.

Her smoking pot does not bother me.

Littlekittylou · 22-11-2014 12:27AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Fair moxy to her.

Agreed I liked that she did reiterate that peaceful protest means not throwing water balloons etc. I would have added it means being non aggressive. Anger snowballs. Dignified protests keep the peace. I thought considering the pictures and clips we have seen it was a great message right now despite what you think of the person saying it.

By the way I am not usually a fan of hers AT ALL. I just thought she spoke well tonight.

jimgoose · 22-11-2014 12:30AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Agreed I liked that she did reiterate that peaceful protest means not throwing water balloons etc. I would have added it means being non aggressive. Anger snowballs. Dignified protests keep the peace. I thought considering the pictures and clips we have seen it was a great message right now despite what you think of the person saying it.

By the way I am not usually a fan of hers AT ALL. I just thought she spoke well tonight.

She sure did. I think she's a little nuts, but doesn't do any great harm. And also, I would generally be a fan of Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick.

TheBeardedLady · 22-11-2014 12:30AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

No denying her fortitude. I get that. But she's full of it. But some of my best friends are full of it.

I don't hate her. But don't tell me she's not an attention seeking nut job.

Her smoking pot does not bother me.

I believe she's sincere.

hatrickpatrick · 22-11-2014 12:32AM

HamsterFace wrote: »

They're nice words but a new republic? All she means is she doesn't like the parties in power right now.

A peaceful revolution would amount to putting new parties in power which you can do at election time anyway. But that's not as much fun as sticking it to the man.

We need to do more than just change the parties, we have to change the structure and rules of the Dail.

Littlekittylou · 22-11-2014 12:34AM

jimgoose wrote: »

She sure did. I think she's a little nuts, but doesn't do any great harm. And also, I would generally be a fan of Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick.

She is nuts.

But she picked up on something.

Just because a huge revolution is not coming does not mean something else is not happening either.

Something is happening regarding the water charges in this country and how the guards handle future protests and the nature of the protesters.

We need to keep thuggery out of protests and definitely out of the policing of them.

The govt needs to stop antagonizing the people.

Aidric · 22-11-2014 12:40AM

anncoates wrote: »

You reckon she sat in the room beforehand with her people and planned to launch into a gauche, overly combative but well meaning tirade to raise her marketing profile in specific target markets?

I don't think she has people/handlers pulling her strings. She is very much a free spirit shooting from the hip imo. As for markets I'm not sure which ones she's serving exactly.

Whilst she manages to be articulate I never get the sense that there is any real conviction behind her messages.

Sinead O' Connor's words on the Late Late

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