ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Stargate · 17-11-2014 02:43PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

The Minister in charge of Irish Water received a bomb threat today.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/bomb-threat-made-to-environment-minister-alan-kelly-30750234.html

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah so did I

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Me too.
Some anonymous woman rang around 9am and said that she's going to bomb me.
Do these wan*ers actually think anyone believes a word that comes from their filthy lying mouths anymore?

I got one also .

Neamhshuntasach · 17-11-2014 02:58PM

Stargate wrote: »

I got one also .

I made the threats. And i'm pro water meters and Irish water. The threat was to speed up the whole process and start charging us already.

tayto lover · 17-11-2014 03:01PM

Stargate wrote: »

I got one also .

Yes and the Minister just happened to be walking past the phone when she rang :pac:

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 17-11-2014 03:07PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Wish someone would actually just stop threatening it and do it!

Little CuChulainn · 17-11-2014 03:15PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

gandalf wrote: »

Sorry can you outline how they will identify the areas that require the most work? You seem to be a subject expert on this?

I would assume they use the various meter readings at homes and facilities to identify lines where excessive water is being lost between the two points. Seems pretty logical to me. I'll ask you again because you only answered me with a question, how would you identify the major leaks?

Going Forward · 17-11-2014 03:18PM

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gandalf wrote: »

The whole purpose of introducing Water Charges is to secure and preserve the supply of water isn't it?

We're being told that our infrastructure is falling apart and figures of water wastage being bandied about as a justification for the setting up of Irish Water.

We've learned a lot about Irish politicians and Irish Water since.

Banjo String · 17-11-2014 03:19PM

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Phoebas wrote: »

That number grows bigger with each telling. :pac:

Maths not your strong point?

100,000 + 150,000 =..........

nxbyveromdwjpg · 17-11-2014 03:21PM

Stargate wrote: »

How do you know know they were anti-water vigilantes?
Please provide proof or a link. Thank You .

It seems obvious to me, from the info in the link I already posted.

Are you suggesting these particular vans were hit by sheer co-incidence? Or that this is part of massive conspiracy by the government to discredit the anti-water protests? Taking it to a new level, burning out vans.
Interesting if so, let's hear more.

Phoebas · 17-11-2014 03:22PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Maths not your strong point?

100,000 + 150,000 =..........

It was a completely different set of people? :pac:

Phoebas · 17-11-2014 03:24PM

Stargate wrote: »

How do you know know they were anti-water vigilantes?
Please provide proof or a link. Thank You .

They went into a council yard that had lots of other vehicles and burnt out the only two with water markings.

Let's not play dumb here.

gandalf · 17-11-2014 03:24PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I would assume they use the various meter readings at homes and facilities to identify lines where excessive water is being lost between the two points. Seems pretty logical to me. I'll ask you again because you only answered me with a question, how would you identify the major leaks?

So you are assuming, fair enough.

Well I would assume that some of the €1.3 billion (yes billion) that we pump into delivery of water in this state every year would have ALREADY been used to identify the sources of the major leaks? Would you not? That seems logical and prudent to me

Little CuChulainn · 17-11-2014 03:27PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Phoebas wrote: »

It was a completely different set of people? :pac:

Give him a break, he might not have done sets in maths class.

gandalf wrote: »

So you are assuming, fair enough.

Well I would assume that some of the €1.3 billion (yes billion) that we pump into delivery of water in this state every year would have ALREADY been used to identify the sources of the major leaks? Would you not? That seems logical to me

How has it been used to find leaks? Stuff the money in the pipes and look for the money fountain that spouts?

AboutaWeekAgo · 17-11-2014 03:28PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Quote: listermint
I could spend half an hour constructing a well nuanced post about how water is funded currently. I could draw comparisons with our VRT Vat collections in comparison to other EU States as people are at pains to compare our non dirext payment in comparisons.

I could run through the history of a well connected business man who managed to pick up one of the largest utility contractors in the country at a song same company who owed you and me hundreds of millions of Euro. I could dicuss the closed system of the tendor for install and maintenance.

I could speak to the appointment of newly retired County managers to an organisation charged with oversight of maintenance and collection of this utility. Same County managers who have option to retire with massive pensions but apparently only jumping when a new guaranteed position opened up in a hefty new semistate.

I could talk endlessly on the board appointments, I could discuss the reuse of a meter kit that was end of lifed in another EU state for various reasons to do with the nature of the material and operation of the equipment.

There are many other items that I could discuss and point out that are all factual and thread related but ultimately none of this matters because you and those that join your style of posting are not here to dicuss you are here to obfuscate the discussion, that as has been shown by your post style. Perhaps it is your role in the thread and I can deal with that. But don't try to dress it up as anythjng else. Id respect you more if you just owned up.

Or you could step up to the line and actually address the posters who are giving you legitimate complaints concerns and facts

Still waiting for somebody to address this post.

cauchioli81 · 17-11-2014 03:28PM

I agree with metered water charges

Sorry to move from main discussion but:

Did you guys registered to pay?

I am totally against as we pay enough taxes, but i will register just to avoid trouble.

listermint · 17-11-2014 03:30PM

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AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Still waiting for somebody to address this post.

The Shills wont touch it with a barge pole.

Literally, they dont want to be seen as even half agreeing.

To them thats a failure and they will stick religiously with picking out all sorts of arguements against the people on the streets.

Its deflection and they are not very good at it.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-11-2014 03:31PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How has it been used to find leaks? Stuff the money in the pipes and look for the money fountain that spouts?

Maybe IW can use google and search out sites like

http://www.puretechltd.com/products/smartball/smartball_leak_detection.shtml

gandalf · 17-11-2014 03:32PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How has it been used to find leaks? Stuff the money in the pipes and look for the money fountain that spouts?

So you are saying that out of the €1.3 BILLION that is spent on Water Delivery in this state at the moment not a cent is spent on leak discovery? Given that in some areas we are looking at water losses of around 60% that would be extremely remiss of the authorities who are charged with delivery of the service. And now a lot of the senior management of these authorities are senior executives in Irish Water. That doesn't bode well for the future performance of Irish Water in the secure delivery of Water to Homes and Businesses in this state now does it

listermint · 17-11-2014 03:33PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

gandalf wrote: »

So you are saying that out of the €1.3 BILLION that is spent on Water Delivery in this state at the moment not a cent is spent on leak discovery? Given that in some areas we are looking at water losses of around 60% that would be extremely remiss of the authorities who are charged with delivery of the service. And now a lot of the senior management of these authorities are senior executives in Irish Water. That doesn't bode well for the future performance of Irish Water in the secure delivery of Water to Homes and Businesses in this state now does it

no no you dont get it.

They NEED the meters. I mean there is not other way man.

Meters will find all the problems, even plug the deficit.

etc etc etc insert nonsense here.

ThisRegard · 17-11-2014 03:33PM

listermint wrote: »

The Shills grow smaller,

It think its because people are opening their eyes.

Did you address any of my post above, or will you skirt around the outside like the rest of the cohort ?

Give it a rest with the tired old name calling.

listermint · 17-11-2014 03:33PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

ThisRegard wrote: »

Give it a rest with the tired old name calling.

Calling who ? did i mention you?

Did you address the post ?

Or are you going to skirt the issues too?

Going Forward · 17-11-2014 03:34PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Maybe IW can use google and search out sites like

http://www.puretechltd.com/products/smartball/smartball_leak_detection.shtml

They'll need a E20 million consultant's report before arriving at a decision.

Little CuChulainn · 17-11-2014 03:34PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

gandalf wrote: »

So you are saying that out of the €1.3 BILLION that is spent on Water Delivery in this state at the moment not a cent is spent on leak discovery? Given that in some areas we are looking at water losses of around 60% that would be extremely remiss of the authorities who are charged with delivery of the service. And now a lot of the senior management of these authorities are senior executives in Irish Water. That doesn't bode well for the future performance of Irish Water in the secure delivery of Water to Homes and Businesses in this state now does it

Nah, I didn't say that at all. I asked you how you thought it was being done and you have failed to answer three times. There are numerous methods that can be used but the cheapest and easiest way is to do a simple subtraction between two values a) water pumped out and b) water received.

listermint · 17-11-2014 03:36PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Nah, I didn't say that at all. I asked you how you thought it was being done and you have failed to answer three times. There are numerous methods that can be used but the cheapest and easiest way is to do a simple subtraction between two values a) water pumped out and b) water received.

But i thought it was people leaving their taps on ? arent they the ones flushing 40% down the drain ?

I mean thats the arguement for conservation.

Right ?

listermint · 17-11-2014 03:38PM

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Its funny when Phoebo , This regard and Incognito not to mention DX Hound.

Not a single one of them have replied to my post yesterday or above.

Why not ? Wont touch it ? Is it too close to reality ? Whilst it was directed at Incognitos diatribe it pertains to pretty much most of the discussion of Pro charge anti protest lot.

They are one liner wonders, they refuse to see why normal people can be angry.

Address the post. I dare you.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-11-2014 03:39PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

d but the cheapest and easiest way is to do a simple subtraction between two values a) water pumped out and b) water received.

Can you show us the Business Case Analysis for that?

gandalf · 17-11-2014 03:44PM

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Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Nah, I didn't say that at all. I asked you how you thought it was being done and you have failed to answer three times. There are numerous methods that can be used but the cheapest and easiest way is to do a simple subtraction between two values a) water pumped out and b) water received.

OK for the record I am not a Water Engineer and I have never claimed to know what the best method is.

Are you a Water Engineer?

Is that an assumption from your perspective about the cheapest method?

Again I am assuming that an organisation that is charged with delivering a service where there is verifiable wastage has a means to track that wastage and a means to locate where the wastage occurs before meters were placed outside peoples homes. The fact that they give statistics out for water loss would suggest to me that they already are tracking losses and have a very good idea where the bad ones are.

Again I would suspect that there is some funding from that €1.3 BILLION to discover where the issues in wastage are? Wouldn't you? Or are you just going to continue nitpicking for the sake of it

Stargate · 17-11-2014 03:44PM

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nm wrote: »

The anti-water charge vigilantes have burnt out two vans in Cork

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-investigate-as-two-irish-water-vans-found-burnt-out-in-cork-651283.html

Stargate wrote: »

How do you know know they were anti-water vigilantes?
Please provide proof or a link. Thank You .

nm wrote: »

It seems obvious to me, from the info in the link I already posted.

Are you suggesting these particular vans were hit by sheer co-incidence? Or that this is part of massive conspiracy by the government to discredit the anti-water protests? Taking it to a new level, burning out vans.
Interesting if so, let's hear more.

Again i ask you where in the link does it say

The anti-water charge vigilantes have burnt out two vans in Cork ???

Making stories up you are , try again.

Stargate · 17-11-2014 03:47PM

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Phoebas wrote: »

They went into a council yard that had lots of other vehicles and burnt out the only two with water markings.

Let's not play dumb here.

I am from Cork , rumour around here is an undercover Guard did it?

Proof ?

Have none , just like you !

17-11-2014 03:47PM

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Highflyer13 wrote: »

Forgive me for being a bit sceptical of all the stuff in the media today.

Yep I'm not anti-charges but I agree with you on this

17-11-2014 03:47PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

listermint wrote: »

Its funny when Phoebo , This regard and Incognito not to mention DX Hound.

Not a single one of them have replied to my post yesterday or above.

Why not ? Wont touch it ? Is it too close to reality ? Whilst it was directed at Incognitos diatribe it pertains to pretty much most of the discussion of Pro charge anti protest lot.

They are one liner wonders, they refuse to see why normal people can be angry.

Address the post. I dare you.

Could you repeat the question?

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