Band Aid can suck my bell end

chrysagon · 17-11-2014 11:34AM

one euro in ten euro on admin!!!!

Pumpkinseeds · 17-11-2014 11:35AM

Merry Berry wrote: »

Do you actually thinking giving third world countries money solves their problems? The problem is structural and systematic and can't be solved through aid. The money is a drop in the ocean.

The focus should be on making every individual in third world countries more productive and how to do that.

Did you not read my Post? If you had you would have seen that I said that giving third world countries money does not solve the problem.

catallus · 17-11-2014 11:39AM

chrysagon wrote: »

one euro in ten euro on admin!!!!

90 cents in every €10.

But **** them for trying to help out, right?

chrysagon · 17-11-2014 11:56AM

Stll, Geldof made alot of money talking about famine!

catallus · 17-11-2014 12:06PM

It's way too easy to be a hurler in the ditch, looking on with a cold unblemished "objective" eye and to then criticise those who do a little bit to help out in countries where ideas of equality and human rights are not even a rumour.

The charitable organisations do what they can under very tough conditions. Mostly trying to provide potable water and disease prevention, and also to provide maybe a hedge-school or two, if they're lucky.

"Structural conditions" and long-term planning are the least of one's worries when you have a child-mortality rate of about 50%.

Nidgeweasel · 17-11-2014 12:13PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

What? this can't be true can it? Maybe i'm misreading, are you saying that 80% of all money Trocaire raises is spent running Trocaire? :eek:

The cocaine and prostitutes don't pay for themselves.

Pumpkinseeds · 17-11-2014 12:13PM

Merry Berry wrote: »

I did read your post you seem to think that the main reason the problems still exist is that the money doesn't reach the people who need it.

I disagree that that is the main reason. Aid to people in need doesn't work long term. Structural changes and education are needed.

It depends on how you define proceeds, I suppose I was a bit vague on it. To me the proceeds are allegedly spent on supplies such as medical supplies, tents and food etc. At least those are things that are needed in areas effected by Ebola. I remember watching a segment on Comic Relief one year where they interviewed a doctor working in a very deprived hospital.

He stated that they've seen very little of the supplies that were shipped in as it's confiscated by the government and sold on the black market, which is where a lot of stuff bought with the proceeds raised from the Band Aid single will end up. That wasn't related to the Ebola crisis, just another third world emergency. That's why I don't donate and that's what I meant by proceeds. There is something obscene about watching a fat politician/president of a third world country in a very expensive designer suit telling the press that there isn't a problem in their country and that it's all under control. I'm sure it is in his private palatial compound.

Annasopra · 17-11-2014 12:14PM

catallus wrote: »

It's way too easy to be a hurler in the ditch, looking on with a cold unblemished "objective" eye and to then criticise those who do a little bit to help out in countries where ideas of equality and human rights are not even a rumour.

The charitable organisations do what they can under very tough conditions. Mostly trying to provide potable water and disease prevention, and also to provide maybe a hedge-school or two, if they're lucky.

"Structural conditions" and long-term planning are the least of one's worries when you have a child-mortality rate of about 50%.

True but that doesnt mean the developed economies should just pump aid in non stop without looking at otger ways of addressing the issues.

catallus · 17-11-2014 12:20PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

True but that doesnt mean the developed economies should just pump aid in non stop without looking at otger ways of addressing the issues.

Are you suggesting a return to Colonialism?

Don't we give money to India? They have spaceships :rolleyes:

The_Captain · 17-11-2014 12:29PM

Nothing like being lectured on charity by millionaires

Pumpkinseeds · 17-11-2014 12:34PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Nothing like being lectured on charity by millionaires

True, I may be wrong, but was there not some controversy about Bono's Red charity/campaign or whatever it was, some years ago. Something about relatively little of it actually going to charity? I'm too lazy to google it.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 17-11-2014 12:34PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Nothing like being lectured on charity by millionaires

They'll give more than everybody in this thread combined, but F it, let's begrudge them of their millions.

DublinWriter · 17-11-2014 12:38PM

Quite a few people argue that Live Aid did more harm than good. Great article from the Guardian here...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/24/g8.debtrelief

RayM · 17-11-2014 12:49PM

Musically, I think it's the least awful version of that song. Mainly because of Sinead O'Connor and Seal.

The_Captain · 17-11-2014 12:57PM

Milo Angry Sun wrote: »

They'll give more than everybody in this thread combined, but F it, let's begrudge them of their millions.

Big deal. A year's salary for most people is worth less than a watch to these people. To lecture people on giving while having enough money in your bank account to feed a decent-sized Rwandan town is hypocritical.

catallus · 17-11-2014 12:57PM

Merry Berry wrote: »

Those structural issues are causing huge child mortality rates.

Yes, they're deliberately designed by the elites to keep their underlings in check.

How do you fight that? You don't. You either starve to death if you are a subject or you try and feed and educate those underlings if you happen to be lucky enough to be a product of Western culture.

I could go on about the responsibility of people to open their eyes to this but responsibility is a dirty word in modern western culture, so nothing is perfect.

CrazyRabbit · 17-11-2014 12:58PM

Oh what a cynical bunch us Irish have become.

Is every charity out there just plain evil and spending donations on private yachts for their staff?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 17-11-2014 01:25PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Big deal. A year's salary for most people is worth less than a watch to these people. To lecture people on giving while having enough money in your bank account to feed a decent-sized Rwandan town is hypocritical.

No, no it's not, and your mentality it envious and begrudging. Very communist of you.

To begrudge ones wealth is just disgusting. "If they have it, they should give it up".

Why don't you give up more of your money? Or do you donate anything at all?

Donkey Oaty · 17-11-2014 01:35PM

Milo Angry Sun wrote: »

"If they have it, they should give it up".

There should be a charity record encouraging wealthy pop stars to do just that.

In fact, they could do it nin nin nin nin, ni-nin, ni-nin nin-nin now.

123balltv · 17-11-2014 01:43PM

Same ould, same ould wont be buying it

P. Breathnach · 17-11-2014 01:43PM

catallus wrote: »

Nah, just the usual mis-information.

9% is used for administration.

http://www.trocaire.org/whatwedo/annual-report

chrysagon wrote: »

one euro in ten euro on admin!!!!

Dig in further to the link catullus supplied:
91% goes directly into aid programmes;
8% is cost of fundraising;
1% governance costs.

costadeldole · 17-11-2014 01:44PM

According to the Sunday Times rich list 2012, Bob Geldoff's net worth was £32 million.
I would imagine the bulk of that didn't come from royalties on Boom Town Rats singles.
Live Aid and Band Aid have been good earners for him (and Midge Ure).
One has to ask the question, if he was genuine; why wouldn't he donate a large portion of his £32 million to aid in Africa? The same goes for Bono. Charity? Or feeding ones ego and bank balance? You decide.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 17-11-2014 01:46PM

I will continue to buy band aid. they're way better than the cheap 99c ones that stick to nothing and come in 45 different sizes of which 44 are of no conceivable use to regular sized humans

Jester252 · 17-11-2014 01:48PM

Is the money actually go to a charity or is going to a "charity", like Bonos red charity, that only raises awarness and not actually help the people suffering?

P. Breathnach · 17-11-2014 02:00PM

costadeldole wrote: »

According to the Sunday Times rich list 2012, Bob Geldoff's net worth was £32 million.
I would imagine the bulk of that didn't come from royalties on Boom Town Rats singles.
Live Aid and Band Aid have been good earners for him (and Midge Ure).
One has to ask the question, if he was genuine; why wouldn't he donate a large portion of his £32 million to aid in Africa? The same goes for Bono. Charity? Or feeding ones ego and bank balance? You decide.

Let's get this clear: are you suggesting that Bob Geldof and Midge Ure pocketed money raised by Band Aid?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 17-11-2014 02:03PM

It's pathetic, the poor crying to the wealthy to give more of their money to charity.

No matter how much the likes of Bono or Geoldof do, people will not be satisfied until they are living in a 3 bed house in a working class suburb.

Why is there such envy, jealousy and begrudgery towards the wealthy? It's really pathetic.

Jester252 · 17-11-2014 02:09PM

Milo Angry Sun wrote: »

It's pathetic, the poor crying to the wealthy to give more of their money to charity.

No matter how much the likes of Bono or Geoldof do, people will not be satisfied until they are living in a 3 bed house in a working class suburb.

Why is there such envy, jealousy and begrudgery towards the wealthy? It's really pathetic.

What you fail to see is that the rich are rehashing an old song and act all high and might over it. They would do a lot more for charity if they donated 10% of their earning.

Besides where is the money going and how much is going to charity.

Not to mention that the song is just a bandwagon jump for a story no one really cares about anymore.

Menas · 17-11-2014 02:10PM

Milo Angry Sun wrote: »

It's pathetic, the poor crying to the wealthy to give more of their money to charity.

No matter how much the likes of Bono or Geoldof do, people will not be satisfied until they are living in a 3 bed house in a working class suburb.

Why is there such envy, jealousy and begrudgery towards the wealthy? It's really pathetic.

Regular people, who dont have much disposable income, get pissed off when millionaires tell them to get off their arses and give give give.

jaja321 · 17-11-2014 02:27PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

THe likes of Trocaire with it's 80%+ admin cost rate sickens me.

Link?

To Elland Back · 17-11-2014 02:31PM

iDave wrote: »

How the feck did Sinead O'Connor get into it???

Because of that whole Band Aid -Shin Aid connection Ted

Band Aid can suck my bell end

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