**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't worry to much, soon people wont be able to afford to throw water balloons around.

It may not have been water...

With the incompetence and corruption exposed throughout the Gardai over the past few years, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Do people really think that it's that far fetched that it could be a Garda?

Some of the people claiming it was a Garda are using this image to show he is wearing a Garda vest. https://i.imgur.com/tNs6ytS.jpg

In an ironic twist, it looks like that one is photoshopped - this being the original: https://i.imgur.com/7fAnVWK.jpg

masculinist wrote: »

Well. The foundation of legitimate law and order is legitimate government.

Indeed, so are you saying that the majority wish of the electorate,as expressed constitutionally is somehow NOT legitimate. Or is it that You merely know better .

The gombeen corrupt quisling self serving traitors in government through their own behaviour are undermining law and order.

"gombeen corrupt quisling self serving traitors" no doubt as determined by you and a few brick throwers.

If we follow their example, the correct response when someone throws an egg at Burton the Liebour party whinger must be obviously to spend a few hundred grand on a tribunal which will only come to the {not verdict but just a conclusion} conclusion stage after all witnesses have passed away, have an irrelevant conclusion and for which the terms of reference must exclude such things ''eggs''

eh - I see you've lost it here

The line has been crossed by government. I really despair at their corruption.

Again I see you are judge jury and executioner, perhaps you could send them "away"

There was never any need for a couple of hundred thousand people to march in the rain with their kids.

Peaceful protest is a good thing, No-one is denying the problems of IW and the way it was tackled.

All this government needed to know was the information that the people did not want this water tax. End of story. They know it is not wanted but still rebel against the people.

Governing is unfortunately not about just giving the people "what they want", if anything we got into this mess because we voted in governments that just did " what we wanted'.

Governments have to balance a whole series of "needs and wants", against the states ability to raise taxes and pay for all those " needs and wants". Too much tax and an economy falters ( badly, perhaps you weren't around for the 80s), too little and services to the public are overly curtailed.

Ultimately they must strike a balance, that means they can get it wrong. However , however you dice up the apple, someone must pay for water, it has clearly been demonstrated that the tax payer has not been paying enough for water as the infrastructure is collapsing. So we can either increase general taxation or directly charge people for the water.

Personally I prefer meter water charge, at least I can see what Im paying for.

The rebels and the militant rabble are actually the government. Government authority comes from the people, not the other way around. Its not the law abiding taxpaying families who marched in the rain. The Liebour party is finished.

The labour party may be finished or it may not be, BUT thats clearly a decision that will be taken by the electorate at the next general election. Today, we have a democratically elected government. They are clearly not rabble.

Clearly neither are the vast majority of ordinary people who are expressing their right to assemble and express their opinion.

However it is also clear that amongst that group, there is a minority that wish to run their own agenda, to subvert the state and introduce their own , very radical view . To that end they are quite happy too encourage violence or at the very least to slide along on its coat-tails

ThisRegard wrote: »

So it never happened, but instead Denis O'Brien photoshopped a photo of a detective into a scene, and the detective is wearing the world's longest stab vest just in case the photographer in the photo studio tries to stab him?

Rrrriggggghhhhhhtttt.

Would not be the first time.

Liam Lawlor?

ILCU (credit unions) released a November statement (doesn't say how many were asked but a survey is a survey and they are pretty accurate once at least 1000 people are spoken too):

44% HAVE PAID.
28% haven't paid BUT WILL PAY.
28% NOT registering.

So that's 72% : 28%.

http://www.creditunion.ie/communications/news/2014/title,8698,en.php

(Thought I'd leave this here as IW don't exactly give us any info regard signups and seeing as there's 3.3m attached to the credit unions it's a big enough body with all kinds of people and backgrounds).

Now I shall leave, as I'm guessing this is going to be met horribly by many many posters.

dav3 wrote: »

With the incompetence and corruption exposed throughout the Gardai over the past few years, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

So a friend of a friend of a garda confessed, seemingly on behalf of another garda, at a different station, who cheerfully told him that he had committed a criminal act, risking his career (and liberty) because of the bad behaviour of other gardai towards protestors.

And he decided to make a principled stand on behalf of protestors, even though he was really corrupt and incompetent, by er, undermining their efforts of the protest movement, by associating them with thugery.

Further he couldn’t be arsed removing his stab vest, which despite only a slither being visible can be irrefutably identified. Also (the best bit! ), the image was later photo shopped by Denis O Brien, despite there been absolutely no reason to fake a real picture (other than to hide the stab vest, which wasn’t done)

Now, I’m someone who believes that paying for water is a good idea so I’m obviously a half-wit who can’t think anything out for myself! But even I have my eye brows raised at that “explanation”